In my mind you can draw a line from bush v Gore to the pick up truck terrorist in New Orleans

[Botany]

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“An ISIS flag allegedly found in the truck that Shamsud-Din Jabbar used in the lethal car-ramming attack on Bourbon Street in New Orleans on New Year’s Day highlights the persistent danger posed by the terrorist group, which continues to churn out online propaganda to try to foment violence around the world, experts and U.S. officials say.“ NBC news, “New Orleans raises specter of persistent ISIS threat”

And where did ISIS come from?

“It sprang from al Qaeda in Iraq:
The group’s roots are in the Sunni terror group al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), started in 2004 by Jordanian Islamist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. It was a major player in the insurgency against the US-led forces that toppled Saddam Hussein in 2003, and against the Shiite-dominated government that eventually replaced Hussein.”

https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/12/middleeast/here-is-how-isis-began/index.html


In other words bush and Cheney’s war in Iraq (no connection to 9/11 or WMDs but lots of oil and plenty of
cost plus no bid contracts for Dick Cheney’s Halliburton/KBR) caused the conditions that inflamed the
the ethnic divisions in Iraq (Sunni vs Shiite) and ISIS was formed from al Qaeda in Iraq. BTW Saddam
Hussein although a murderous awful human being used to kill any al Qaeda he found in Iraq because
he saw them as a threat to his power prior to our invasion of Iraq.

And how did bush and Cheney get into power? Answer. bush v Gore and No bush v Gore equals no 9/11 which equals no 9/11 which equals no unneeded wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which went a long way to inflame the conditions which brought about ISIS in its many different forms and massive violence along
with one of the biggest refugee crises ever too.

Thanks a lot Justice Sandra Day O’Conner and company you just had to make it illegal to count the
real and legitimate vote in Florida.

Sorry to

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[Attilatheblond]

1. Never forget: 3 current SCOTUS justices, including the Chief, worked for Bush's case to stop the vote count

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The connections never really end. It's what they count on to avoid being held to account..


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[Botany]

2. And in my totally screwed up mind the 2024 vote was way dirty. It does not pass my smell test.

Why was Musk compiling lists of votes that could be brought in as needed.

[yellow dahlia]

7. Agreed.

I wish the different malfeasances around the election were getting more attention.

Some of us have been sounding the alarm(s), to no avail. And sometimes we get told to move on and "get over it".

[Botany]

9. You get called a conspiracy freak who just can't accept reality but Trump knew the fix was in and acted ..

…. like it too. On Sept. 4th he said he didn’t need anymore votes and people after this election
people wouldn’t have to vote anymore and then about a month later masturbated a mic stand
and then acted like he was giving a b.j. to a microphone in front of an audience.

I feel in my bones that Musk, Putin, and ? were deep into the voting data, that the 600,000
“bullet ballots” where people only voted for one candidate (Trump) in the swing states
tells me something was up, that Musk was compiling d-bases of votes that could be brought
in as needed, Musk’s Star Link being connected to all the swing states’ central tabulators was
no accident, that Trump winning the Native American vote makes no sense, and in every election
post the overturning of Roe v Wade people voted to protect and or restore a woman’s right for
health care but in that election they didn’t?

Watch how fast the Crypto Boys who had something to do with the outcome of the election get
to normalize their fraud where you give them your money and they give you a worthless parking
space somewhere in cyber world get shit done for them.

[yellow dahlia]

13. Agree wholeheartedly.

I'm not afraid of no tinfoil hat "classic smilie".

P.S. I didn't like how the numbers tracked and shifted in the wee hours of November 9, 2016 either. I was jumping up and down at the time. Another time when there should have been legit paper ballot hand recounts.

[Botany]

14. I was in the belly of the beast in Ohio 2004 when the returns all started coming 70, 80, and even 90%

for w bush. It did not matter what city, state, or county it was it was like a switch was flipped and
a top level I.T. person for the Kerry Campaign put his head in his hands and started crying.

A computer expert named Spoonamore who was spot on about Ohio in 2004 has some damning
evidence about 2024 but he is labeled as a conspiracy freak by the media.

[yellow dahlia]

18. Yes. I have read the Spoonamore stuff.

Data and deductive reasoning win out in my analysis.

For some people, the truth is too painful, hence the CT accusations.

[markpkessinger]

3. I don't think anyone can say that if Bush hadn't won, there wouldn't have been a 9/11.

9/11 had been in planning for a long time, from well before Bush had even taken office. So I don't think that part of your argument holds up.

Nor can we say had there been no 9/11, there wouldn't have been any war in Iraq. The Bush administration knew full well when they began to try to shift the public's attention towards Iraq that there were no actual links between Al Qaeda and Iraq. Say what you will about Saddam Hussein, he was, at least, a secular leader who had no use for religious extremists.

Remember that Bush's first Treasury Secretary, Paul O'Neill, said in his memoir that at one of the first full cabinet meetings of the Bush administration -- which I believe was in March of 2001 (six months before 9-11), there were maps distributed to cabinet members of Iraq's oil fields. So they (the Bush administration) were clearly planning something. They used 9-11 as a pretext for going into Iraq, but I believe they were bent on doing so from the outset, and would have come up with some other reason if 9-11 hadn't happened.

[Botany]

4. However I think if a President Gore had been given the August 6th CIA PDB that said bin Laden & al Qaeda ..

… want to attack NYC and Washington D.C. using hijacked planes he would have done something
about it instead of w’s telling the CIA person who gave him the memo, “well you have covered your
ass so you can leave now.” … rough quote

And yes the planning for the attack on Iraq started even before w took office, Dick Cheney
had maps of Iraqi oil fields on his desk from the time he was sworn in, and Rumsfeld let
bin Laden walk away @ Tora Bora in order to have him still out there as a pretext for the Iraqi
War.

Btw the French warned us that we were getting bad information about WMDs and that
invading Iraq would cause huge blow back through out the region but the Republicans
countered with “freedom fries.”

[DENVERPOPS]

11. AND Gore wouldn't have ignored

the bunches of Reports submitted to Louis Freh re; flight schools reporting mid eastern students who were only interested in how to fly the planes...........

[UpInArms]

6. Maybe you should read this report

https://www.avweb.com/flight-safety/final-report-of-the-gore-commission-on-aviation-safety-and-security/

Entitled:

White House Commission on
Aviation Safety and Security
Final Report to President Clinton
Vice President Al Gore, Chairman
February 12, 1997

It specifically talks about secure cockpit doors

[Chemical Bill]

15. Warnings went unheeded by the Cheney admin.

Gore would have actually done something about the PDB in August.

[WarGamer]

5. deserves 500 recs.

Shrub is and was a war criminal and is equal to Putin in his crimes.

[DENVERPOPS]

12. W's mind was gone

It was the CABAL of Cheney/Rumsfeld/others that ran the entire eight years. WBush had toasted his brain on Coke and Booze for a decade. He couldn't put together a complete sentence over three words, everything he said was word salad.......he wasn't even in on Cheney running things.........

Not a lot different than Reagan's occupation of the White House, run by HWBush's CABAL of many of the same people....

[Initech]

17. W was forced on us by the Fox Ministry Of Propaganda.

Every network called 2000 for Gore. One didn't. And it isn't that hard to figure out which one.

[yellow dahlia]

8. There is no end to the dots connecting.

Thank you.

[Mountainguy]

10. I dont think we can assume

That sectarian violence was not going to happen with or without the US in Iraq. Hussein would have lost power at some point, either by dying or during the wider Arab Spring. Not to mention the role the Syrian civil war played as well. ISIS could well have formed regardless.


Beyond that, ISIS is just the current face of a bigger issue. Jihadist radicalization existed before Bush.

[Initech]

16. ISIS and MAGA share a lot of similar properties.

Same with any far right party anywhere in the world. And they can all be traced back to one corporation. Guess which one?

[yellow dahlia]

19. Both use radicalization.