News Conference Las Vegas makes clear they do NOT have ABSOLUTE proof the body was Livelsberger

[hlthe2b]

The body was burned beyond recognition so their assumptions that it was him are right now based on credit cards and a military id found in the vehicle, some identifiable tattoos on part of the body believed to be that of Livelsberger and a tracking of Livelsberger's movements from Colorado. Compelling? Yes. But he was a damned SPECIAL FORCES member. I WANT DNA EVIDENCE before anyone else tells me AGAIN that it is HIM.

The Las Vegas lead investigator has likewise STOPPED SHORT OF SAYING LIVELSBERGER is the body found in the Cybertruck.

We all need to wait on DNA, which presumedly is available despite the state of the body. If not, at least damned dental records.

[Dennis Donovan]

1. I deleted an earlier OP in which the linked story reported he'd been ID'd by DNA

Thanks for the heads up!

[Mike 03]

2. I can tell you're following this story closely.

Do you have a working theory about what happened here?

[John1956PA]

3. Seems to have been a self-inflicted gunshot to the head.

The explosion occurred thereafter.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-died-tesla-cybertruck-explosion-153834390.html

[hlthe2b]

5. Yes. The body in the Cybertruck had a gunshot wound to the head. Still doesn't confirm identity.

I DO think it is likely that it will be confirmed to be Livelsberger--but not based on mere tracking of movements, credit card and military ID found in the truck and some compatible partial tattoos. If he were not Special Forces, I might be less skeptical, but in this case, I want to see DNA findings.

[Hekate]

8. So much ID found in the truck, and unlike the body it was not burned or melted beyond recognition

You know what I thought of immediately? How quickly the passports of the 9-11 pilots were “found” in the ashes and rubble of 2 gigantic NY skyscrapers.

[hlthe2b]

9. Well, call me naturally suspicious, but given I could detail how to replace a body in such an

incident and leave a trail that would divert LEO's conclusions, I'd guess that a Special Forces soldier could do so far better and with less forethought.

Probably is the guy, but...

[obamanut2012]

10. Can we not post 9/11 conspiracies?

[Hekate]

14. I'm the kind of trusting person that, when JFK was murdered, did not believe the CIA did it...

I was 16, and I know other people who at the same age already thought there was a conspiracy.

It took me freaking decades before I was willing to subscribe to any such line of thought about my own country. But this century has been very hard on my sensibilities.

As for the passports showing up the way they did —

[DET]

17. Can we not...

…try to silence other people’s viewpoints when they don’t agree with your own?

[obamanut2012]

18. Like you are doing to me?

[DET]

22. No

Not every divergent thought is a ‘conspiracy theory’. That term has been thrown around far too much here recently (usually in a bullying way, IMO). And nothing is off the table as long as Trump/Musk is around. I try not to pick fights with fellow Democrats, but the constant accusations of conspiracy theories really drives me nuts, especially since it tends to shut down open discourse.

[Think. Again.]

28. Shutting down open discourse is the sole purpose of using the phrase.

It's why the phrase was first made popular during 9/11.

[Mike 03]

13. Holy shit--this I didn't know.

Gunshot to the head....

[hlthe2b]

4. I am only following closely because of the CO link and because local Denver investigative reporters are

doing REALLY good work on this--particularly the ABC affiliate which to my annoyance, the national ABC network has largely (or at least earlier) IGNORED. The latter has had some really bad reporting that they have had to clean up.

No. I really don't have a working theory but the wife reported they had had an argument--presumedly over her accusal of his infidelities. Yet another reason I could at least IMAGINE someone with Special Forces training being happy to "disappear" and be considered dead as an alternative explanation. The more likely is that the body IS him and he more or less "lost it, but I definitely do not believe we can conclude that yet.

[Mike 03]

15. Fascinating. I agree this is an incredible, intricate and puzzling story.

Just in the last half hour I've learned things that spin it in a whole new direction.

The symbolism of committing this act in this vehicle at this location begs so many questions.

[EX500rider]

21. Could be some serious PTSD also, the SpecOps guys spent a LOT of time deployed in the GWOT

[Historic NY]

6. They can match his military DNA with a sample from the remains

[hlthe2b]

7. Yes. Of course. THat has not yet been done. It takes far more time than you'd gather from tv dramas.

And they may have to do some work to extract the DNA not ordinarily necessary due to the state of the body.

But yes, his DNA profile is undoubtedly on file and available to them. Thank you competent military.

[magicarpet]

11. Well whoever it is they certainly went out with a bang ...

.... and lots of boom boom fireworks. Such a theatrical exit.

Ties to,..

Eloon Musk - via the Tesla Cybertruck,

Djt - parking at the front portico of his Las Vegas trDUMP Tower.

Fireworks in acknowledgement of the New Year's celebration.

An events planner could not have put together a better staged production to coincide with current events.

[hlthe2b]

12. No doubt about that...

[Hekate]

23. "Staged" is certainly one word for it

If this keeps up, MAGAGOPs are going to conclude that Mango Mussolini dodged not just 2 assassins’ bullets but also a car bomb, and then gods know what else.

How incredibly fortuitous for him.

[FakeNoose]

16. For all we know, it could be some homeless guy in the car

The real perp may have had the means to trigger the fire/explosion by remote.
They've got to do a DNA match before we know anything.

[Mike 03]

19. Assuming it is his body, I'm just trying to interpret the act.

Is it true, as someone reported, that he "loved Trump" and was MAGA all the way. Because I read this as a hostile act, rich in symbolism. But it could be that I'm just misreading everything--the Tesla vehicle, the Trump hotel. Maybe that is where he felt safe, as opposed to an interpretation that he loathed these two and wanted to mock them in suicide.

[LeftInTX]

20. He shot himself in the head. Obviously suicidal. Maybe just wanted to "go out in style"?

We have too many of those types....
I'm glad he didn't shoot a bunch of other people first.

[LeftInTX]

24. He was positively identified Thursday afternoon

BREAKING Matthew Livelsberger, 37, of Colorado Springs, CO, has been identified as the driver of the vehicle in the explosion investigation.

Per the
@ClarkCountyNV
Coroner:
Cause of death: intraoral gunshot wound.
Manner of death: suicide.

The Investigation remains ongoing.

4:57 PM · Jan 2, 2025

Link to tweet

Ex GF said he had traumatic brain injury
He texted numerous ex GFs before he killed himself.

Police positively identify driver of exploded Tesla Cybertruck as US Army soldier
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fbi-looks-any-link-between-tesla-explosion-new-orleans-attack-2025-01-02/

[hlthe2b]

25. "because the body was burned beyond recognition, investigators were awaiting confirmation from DNA evidence and medical

records"... My point is this post, exactly.

If he was such a Trump supporter as his uncle goes on and on claiming, then what would have happened? Why do this before Trump Hotel--surely knowing it would cause damage? Why do it in a Tesla Truck--sending a message of some kind to Musk? Was he disillusioned somehow? I have a feeling that even if the family knows more about THAT (if it occurred) we won't hear. MAGAs gotta MAGA.

[underpants]

26. My guess: PTSD or financial. Why there? Knew it would make the news

Sadly,

Although national tracking of veteran suicide rates is unreliable at best, the VA estimates that 22 veterans commit suicide each day. This means approximately 8,030 veterans kill themselves every year, more than 5,540 of whom are 50 or older.

From 2014
https://www.veterans.nd.gov/news/why-are-so-many-older-veterans-committing-suicide

[Unladen Swallow]

27. The likelihood of us ever learning the actual truth

is zero. As history has clearly displayed.

[Think. Again.]

29. This seems to be a simple suicide.

People often do that in ways that might bring a bit of (belated) attention from the people they wanted attention from.