I keep wondering why a patriot would commit suicide infront of the Trump building in a Tesla car.

[Baitball Blogger]

Based on how quickly Trump jumped on the immigrant theory, is it possible that the patriot was following someone's order to create an event for Trump so he could exploit the situation?

Frankly, it makes as much sense as anything else would.

[Attilatheblond]

1. Or, a troubled guy with a troubled relationship with wife

wanting to really make a statement about hurt?

[LeftInTX]

5. Yeah

[TheProle]

15. Please share your research on this?

[Mountainguy]

28. This place is turning into

A conspiratorial cesspool.

[Woodwizard]

31. Yep,

Internet conspiracy and paranoia is an infection everywhere it seems.

[Polybius]

29. Alex Jones would be proud!

[LeftInTX]

3. His desire to kill himself outweighed his politics. Wanted to draw attention to his suicide.

I think he was probably super depressed and I think that's the only way he could think of to get attention.

He was having relationship issues.

Not everything is politics and it goes low on the totem poll when major depression sets in.

A few weeks before my dad died in 2016, he still hadn't mailed in his mail ballot. He was up and about. He collapsed before he could mail in his ballot. He was a die hard Republican. However, I guess he wasn't feeling up to voting.

If I was that depressed, I probably wouldn't care all that much about politics on my way out.

I hope I make sense.

[Irish_Dem]

9. If he didn't care about politics, why kill himself in front of a Trump hotel?

He was a fan of Trump so he knew who he was.

[LeftInTX]

11. He only cared about the bright shiny object that was his death. I'm serious

Man dies after setting himself on fire outside courthouse where Trump trial is being held

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/man-sets-fire-courthouse-trump-trial-held-rcna148604

Explain why this guy killed himself in front of the courthouse where Trump's trial was held?

It turns out he was schizophrenic and wrote all over the walls. He held up signs decrying Trump, Clinton and Biden. In the end he hated everyone, but killed himself in front of the Trump trial.


Also, this guy who killed himself in LV removed his pro-Trump FB posts recently. Also, it's his uncle speaking about him. I think the uncle is being a bit defensive and is trying to portray him as someone who "wouldn't hurt Trump". I don't dwelve all that much into my nieces and nephew's political leanings. Maybe he hadn't discussed politics with his uncle in the days leading up to his death? How often did they see each other?

[Irish_Dem]

14. I think the location probably had some significance.

I don't buy it was a coincidence.

[LeftInTX]

16. Like the guy who killed himself in front of Trump's trial...

People who commit suicide are selfish.

Unless there is some political manifesto, I'm gonna assume there was something going on in his personal life. The other day, he contacted an ex GF

Link to tweet

[Irish_Dem]

18. You are confusing a number of different issues.

1. motivation for the suicide
2. suicide method
3. location of death

I never said the motivation was necessarily political.
We don't know that, and yes it could be personal.

But the location and manner of suicide are different from motivation.
They may be something political about the location.

No, not all people who commit suicide are selfish.
There are many different motivations and reasons.

These can be complex situations and sometimes and it takes awhile to figure it all out.
I have worked on such cases.

[Quiet Em]

20. I think he wanted to make sure Trump knew who he was.

Vanity. Even in suicide.

[LizBeth]

4. All for show and then could get out cause the doors locked? Nah, shot self in head.

So knew bomb was going off. I am interested what was up with this one. Other one pretty explanatory. Angry fundamentalist with restraining order against him so violent.

[mahina]

6. Of every scenario I have navigated, this one leaves the least impact on first responders though.

Thoughftful in that respect though! No cleanup of blood and etc.

As a method, not that he was thoughtful to go this way for his fam. Anyways peace to him and all of them.

[Mosby]

7. Depression.

It's a real thing, maybe educate yourself.

[haele]

12. Sometimes as the depression is being treated...

The PTSD, anguish or self-hate the depression fog was covering up suddenly becomes clear to the patient and they can't hide from it anymore. It hurts too much to look in the mirror of the soul.
So they kill themselves.
Treatment without therapy can be deadly.

Haele

[pandr32]

8. I think he was sending a message to his former idol.

Until recently he was known as a MAGA "patriot", along with his family. Recently, since the election, TSF has teamed with Musk instead of the "America First" priority many of his followers believed he held. This shocker has likely caused cracks in the patriotism many of his followers held. The fact that this distressed active-duty Green Beret rented a cybertruck (Musk) to blow up in front of a Trump property (TSF), along with himself, is a crafted message.
His marriage and other issues may have had little to do with it.

[blm]

23. I agree.

[arthritisR_US]

43. I have to agree with you.

[Think. Again.]

10. Maybe it was too unbearable for him to realize......

...that he wasn't a patriot at all, in fact he, and his ilk that worship traitors, are actually traitors themselves.

[LisaL]

13. Maybe he is upset that Trump is choosing Elon over MAGA in H1B visa fight?

He rented a Tesla and blew it up in front of Trump tower, so seems like he was upset at something involving Trump and Musk.

[Rebl2]

25. That's

What I think. Maybe he was angry that Trump has brought musk in to his team. Musk who came to this country on a student visa, then dropped out of college after a few months in. Then he wasn’t deported to his home country as he should have been when he dropped out of college. Makes me angry too, but not enough to do what that guy did.

[prodigitalson]

17. truck

tesla truck

[RedWhiteBlueIsRacist]

19. He was jealous of the romance between Trump and Elon.

He knew he had lost Trumpy for good.

[electric_blue68]

21. Trump hotel & Tesla cybertruck....idk... Either...

to draw attention to his suicide....

or

make some kind of statement.

Why, else...these glaringly current people in the the news, in our Country.
Of all the choices he could have made.

[Fiendish Thingy]

22. Occam's razor makes the most sense, not some CT. Nt

[orleans]

36. and what is the razor leading you to think? nt

[Jacson6]

24. When I was in the military 40 years ago we had war veterans commit suicide spontaneously.

The demons within. I will reserve all judgments until the full investigation has been released.

[SKKY]

27. So, as a fellow Veteran who has also been deployed under difficult situations...

...I can only guess this guy had issues, both related to his role in the Army and just due to his makeup, that had festered for a long time, exasperated by his experiences, and went untreated. He was special forces, so you know he's been through some stuff.

[scipan]

34. Personal question: wouldn't trump's personality assauge any guilt feelings?

[Texasgal]

35. Agreed,

I work with Vets every day and many times the politics just simply do not matter.

If anything, I'd be more worried about the mental health of our vets. There are so many out there that have suffered, and they are getting younger and younger.

Perhaps he wanted to make a statement, but not the statement we think it may be. We need to take care of our vets...PERIOD,

[RockRaven]

30. What patriot?

[Klarkashton]

32. My guess he was a nut.

[scipan]

33. Wasn't his marriage falling apart because of his infidelity?? Not sure this is a fact

But if true, people have a tendency to blame others for what they did. Maybe he was angry at Trump for what he himself did (mess around). Trump was his idol. He was really into it. There could be a number of things he did or believed that were a consequence of his adulation. Maybe his wife and he had arguments about it.

The fact that he rented a Tesla: his feelings extended somehow toward Elon too. IT'S A CULT and maybe his thoughts were not so devotional after his breakup.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

37. Not following any orders to suicide. But I think he was suicidal over marriage & chose to make statement against Muck &

I think he probably felt betrayed by tRump and Muck over the breaking of his campaign promise. A lot of maga is mad about it. Some are now angry enough to oppose tRump.

So, having decided to end his life, he chose to make a statement in the process. The statement wasn't the main purpose but a two-fer, so to speak.

[Sogo]

38. How about this?

They say the MAGATS and the Muskovites are at war over the visa issue....

Maybe he's the first casualty of that war - showing his contempt for Musk, but also showing his disillusionment with Trump for siding with Musk on the issue....

[Emile]

39. Trump derangement syndrome.

[RussBLib]

40. I heard the press spoke with Livelsberger's brother...

(true or not, not sure) but his brother (allegedly) said Matthew thought that Trump was the greatest thing ever.

If true, why kill yourself in front of one of his hotels, using a Tesla? To show your admiration for Trump? I don't get it. Maybe they will eventually find something written by Matthew that puts the pieces together.

Is this what the next 4 years are going to be like?

https://russblib.blogspot.com

[LeftInTX]

41. He had traumatic brain injury. Texted numerous old gf's before he killed himself.

Cause of death: Gunshot wound to the mouth

[no_hypocrisy]

42. An American version of Seppuku?

Seppuku (切腹, lit. 'cutting [the] belly'), also called harakiri (腹切り, lit. 'abdomen/belly cutting', a native Japanese kun reading), is a form of Japanese ritualistic suicide by disembowelment. It was originally reserved for samurai in their code of honour, but was also practised by other Japanese people during the Shōwa era[1][2] (particularly officers near the end of World War II) to restore honour for themselves or for their families.[3][4][5]

As a samurai practice, seppuku was used voluntarily by samurai to die with honour rather than fall into the hands of their enemies (and likely be tortured), as a form of capital punishment for samurai who had committed serious offences, or performed because they had brought shame to themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku#:~:text=As%20a%20samurai%20practice%2C%20seppuku,had%20brought%20shame%20to%20themselves.