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[Beachnutt]

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[WarGamer]

1. so linking a video that is "for profit" instead of just telling us all the summary?

[Beachnutt]

2. Never mind,

I stumbled upon it on reddit.

[Beachnutt]

3. Just fyi, I watched it and it is free to watch.

[WarGamer]

6. youtube pays content creators for "clicks" so when we watch thee, they make $$

[BannonsLiver]

20. AKA capitalism.

[LexVegas]

28. Yeah, they shouldnt get paid for work. nt

[LeftInTX]

9. If it's true and credible, the MSM will pick this up.

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However, I'm afraid this will get spread around in some RW circles.

Supposedly Matt Livelsberger emailed this guy with info:
It had to do with all those drones and how dangerous they are
Afghanistan war cover ups
How he is being being followed because he has all these explosives in his vehicle
How he is trying to get to Mexico, but the government won't let him go
He wanted to go on Fox News

It doesn't sound like a manifesto as much as paranoia

Now: Did this guy actually receive an email from ML or this just some hoax? I've never seen this show before.

If the email is real:
It indicates that either ML is paranoid OR some shit is going down with drones and war crimes in Afghanistan and the CIA etc.

ETA: FBI says the email is likely real

[brush]

54. I watched it. Makes one wonder if there are any news sources worth watching, cept maybe Nicole, Rached, Lawrence...

Acosta and a couple of others. The video talks about the drones in Jersey as graviatic propulsion that only US and China have and which could lead to WWlll. Also the Vegas bomber may have chosen the steel Tesla because if could be programmed to drive into the portico of trump's hotel in Vegas and explode with minimal damage to send a message. The bomber was/is a highly regarded Green Beret with substantial bona fides. That is if he's still alive. Or his domestic life just fell apart as just found out his lastest child with second wife is not his. First wife left him a while ago too, could be suicide.

No connection to the New Orleans attack. It goes on and on...worth a listen for a bit.

Certainly will make you totally disregard Dana Bash, Morning Joe/Mika, and journos of their sort.

[Dennis Donovan]

4. News reports say Livelsberger had PTSD and a TBI.

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[Beachnutt]

5. That is it,

what do you make of it ?
Trump was president in 2019 when the cover up he speaks of.

[Dennis Donovan]

10. Here's a link to the Oct 9, 2019 NYT article about the airstrike and civilian deaths:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/world/asia/afghanistan-airstrikes-civilians.html (no paywall)

Oct. 9, 2019
KABUL, Afghanistan — At least 30 civilians were killed by American airstrikes that targeted drug labs in western Afghanistan this spring, according to a United Nations report released on Wednesday, a figure that the United States-led mission in the country quickly disputed.

The strikes, on May 5, targeted more than 60 sites in Farah Province and neighboring Nimruz Province, the United Nations report said. As of last month, the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan had verified that 39 civilians were either wounded or killed in the strikes. Seventeen of those were working in the drug labs, which were primarily producing methamphetamine.

A statement from the American-led mission in Afghanistan disagreed with nearly all of the report, citing its “reliance on sources with conflicted motives” and the decision to call those killed in the bombings civilians instead of insurgents.

The dispute sheds light on America’s current war methods — relying heavily on overhead surveillance, air support and local forces to select and attack targets — and the sometimes contentious definitions by which the United States military identifies combatants on an increasingly murky battlefield.

In the case of the May 5 strikes, the United States military said in its statement that its own “exhaustive and comprehensive review” had determined that the labs were producing revenue for the Taliban, and that the people working in them were Taliban fighters and “lawful military targets.”

/snip

[LeftInTX]

11. I've never heard of Shawn Ryan or his guest, so I have no idea if he is credible.

If ML really sent this email, the MSM will figure it out.

[Dennis Donovan]

14. I'm in the same boat - source is right-wingy to me. n/t

[LeftInTX]

18. Check the AP Press Conference down there. Haven't watched it yet, but heard it is "juicy"

[Dennis Donovan]

25. I recommend people watch the presser before the podcast

Good to get known facts before diving into the speculative stuff.

On edit - they said this "manifesto" is from the deceased:

[LeftInTX]

27. But they think he wrote it, but attribute it to PTSD etc.

[Dennis Donovan]

31. Jeff Seldin VOA News:

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Beachnutt]

22. I haven't either

[Scrivener7]

41. Thank you for posting this.

[brush]

55. The video seems to not be sure if the body is the bomber's and is a suicide, or if it's...

a. fake suicide. It's worth a look for a few minutes at least. Some chilling stuff there.

[PeaceWave]

7. The very sad, paranoid and conspiratorial ramblings of a mad man...

Come on people. The dude is talking about "gravitic propulsion." That is straight up UFO reverse engineering conspiracy nonsense.

[DET]

12. Unless It's True

I don’t know and neither do you. This guy with a TS/SCI clearance deliberately blew himself up trying to bring attention to this. Maybe he’s crazy, but maybe he’s not. I don’t know why some DU members immediately insist on dismissing ‘weird’ stuff. Could you have ever envisioned a crazed Russian asset being elected President not once but twice? Nothing is weirder than that.

[Abnredleg]

47. Top Secret is a very low level of clearance

And just about all Army officers and senior NCOs have one. IF this technology existed it would be covered by a much higher level of security.

As to dismissing things out of hand, there is this thing called physics. Anyone pushing a theory that violates physics has the burden of proving that it is true. If you can’t then it’s just woo-woo science.

[Arthur_Frain]

49. According to what I read in his "manifesto" he claims they're not drones

But unmanned Chinese payload platforms using anti gravity drive. And that we and china are the only ones in possession of anti gravity power.

Sorry, that’s mental illness or psychosis. Nobody has antigravity drive right now, the tech does not exist to affect gravity like that at all.

[hlthe2b]

13. I note that neither of the for-profit online "shows" bothered to share this with FBI...

Even if they considered themselves "independent reporters" of some kind-- if they are the "patriots" that all these RWers claim to be-- would they not have had an obligation to share this with investigators?.. Even if they did proceed to put it online...?

Or is it sheer profit--those clicks ya know...?

[wishstar]

17. In the video Sam Shoemate says he reported all of his communications to the FBI

[hlthe2b]

19. Good to hear. Not sure what all that included and whether or not FBI took him seriously, but...

[LeftInTX]

23. Law enforcement referenced this pod cast at the 10 min mark

&t=51s&ab_channel=AssociatedPress

[hlthe2b]

24. Yes. I just read an article that said FBI was going to release the written "manifesto" shortly...

[Autumn]

34. I watched the video. He said everything was shared with the FBI before he went on line with it.

[hlthe2b]

38. Yes. I acknowledge this after seeing the FBI pressor... Written diary will be released...

[PCIntern]

21. You say the physics is nonsense...

Many very well-educated insiders would disagree.

[Mike 03]

35. Why don't you let us read it and come to our own

conclusions about it?

Do you understand that even if it contains inanities, it sheds light on what was occurring in his mind prior to the incident? That makes it interesting, IMHO.

[Renew Deal]

58. The "tic tac" UAP's have never been explained

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tic-tac-ufo-sighting-uap-video-dave-fravor-alex-dietrich-navy-fighter-pilots-house-testimony/

As well as other floating cylinders

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pentagon-solves-1-ufo-mystery-still-probing-other-cases/

[bucolic_frolic]

8. Could have implications for vote flipping theories?

That's a lot of energy up there.

[Abnredleg]

48. You're going to have to elaborate

On how this “technology” can influence non-networked election equipment.

[bucolic_frolic]

50. energy

magnetic forces. pulse technology. I'm no scientist.

[Abnredleg]

52. Energy pulses can disable computer equipment

And that’s about it.

[LeftInTX]

53. ESP!!! Telekinesis!! Pulse energy!! Poltergeists!!

[Blue_Tires]

15. Who the hell is that?

[LeftInTX]

16. Haven't watched the AP Press conference, yet but read a summary on another forum

From the forum: ML kept a diary and wrote "This is not a terrorist attack. This is a wake up call"

Presser starts at 10 min mark
Vaguely addresses the Shawn Ryan show at the beginning
At 20 min Starts to talk about motive
FBI says PTSD. And the email referenced in the podcast is likely from ML

&t=51s&ab_channel=AssociatedPress

[Scrivener7]

26. Can you give us the Cliff Notes?

[PCIntern]

29. This may be a bfd...

The decedent in the car in Vegas sent an email detailing his involvement in a series of nightmare scenarios. Watching now.

[Scrivener7]

39. OK. You convinced me. I'll watch. Thanks.

[sop]

30. When this manifesto is not "properly investigated by the FBI" and goes "ignored by reputable media sources,"

it will only be "further proof of a huge coverup" in the minds of the people who traffic in these sorts of conspiracies.

[LeftInTX]

36. FBI believes he wrote it.

The difference is: ML believes the drones are coming for us. FBI believes it's PTSD. I think there are some facts in there. It's just how they're interpreted.

[sop]

46. When the FBI concludes he was suffering from PTSD, conspiracists will interpret that as a government coverup.

Conspiracy theorists will dismiss evidence that contradicts their beliefs, reinterpret evidence to fit their narrative and reject factual sources of as just part of the "conspiracy." These types of conspiracies cannot be debunked.

[walkingman]

32. A good example of how military service can destroy someone's mental health - sadly there are thousands

of victims throughout America and really the world. It is a classic case of brainwashing that in many cases is more than a person of ethics and morals can handle. Of course, the only way we can expect to perpetuate these meaningless wars is by destroying the lives of well-meaning people who are patriotic. Victims of the military industrial complex. ☮

[wishstar]

33. Per alleged email ML wanted to convey his concern with drone technology and a 2019 Afghan attack

Sam Shoemate goes way out on a farfetched CT limb suggesting that DNA doesn't match ML's child and ML could have placed someone else's body in the Tesla and still be alive.

Seems more likely that ML was planning suicide for several days after recent marital problems and longstanding emotional instability, and was deliberately seeking closure by reaching out to old girlfriends and sending the email alleging that both US and China have undisclosed highly advanced drone technology and China is using subs offshore to launch drones and secondly his concern about the 2019 incident with civilian casualties in Afghanistan.

[PeaceWave]

37. Yes. The drones...powered by "gravitic propulsion." What was this poor guy smoking?

[LeftInTX]

40. The Daily Mail refers to his email as "unhinged"

[Mike 03]

42. Beachnutt, you made the right call by posting this.

IMO the probative value of the video far outweighs any qualms someone might have about the source, or the "Gee, YouTube might make money from this video" excuse (like nobody has ever posted YouTube videos before on DU).

I wish you'd change the title of your OP to something about the content, because it just seems like the current title is begging pearl-clutching nervous nellies to come up with frivolous reasons why the video should not be posted.

Thanks--I NEVER would have heard about this if someone here hadn't posted it.

[Beachnutt]

44. Thank you,

I changed it.

[PCIntern]

45. Agree 100%

[Voltaire2]

43. Obvious bullshit.

[PCIntern]

51. Just watched the "broadcast"

There’s some important stuff in there. It answered a few questions I had like “why fireworks and no bomb and how did he shoot himself right after he pulled in and no one reported the sound of a gunshot”?. Teslas do self-drive and maybe that’s not who they say it is. Lots to think about including the drones and perhaps anti-aircraft missiles in the country.

[CoopersDad]

56. Tesla's are pretty soundproof if the windows were up, a handgun firing might not be heard.

What an interesting set of developments.

[PCIntern]

60. .50 Desert Eagle???

If u say so. I have my doubts.

[PeaceWave]

57. Gotta say. I had my initial doubts about this thread but now find it strangely fascinating.

[LeftInTX]

59. OMFG...He wanted Democrats obliterated!

Link to tweet