I agree with Liz Cheney. Do you?

[senseandsensibility]

According to Cheney, "AG Garland now has the duty to release the Justice Department Report and prevent its evidence from being destroyed. The truth must prevail. The framers of our Constitution knew the lessons of history--that people led by men without character can quickly lose their freedom."

Dem leadership should be speaking up like this and demanding the same thing. They should be holding press conferences. I find it depressing that I have to hear this from a Republican.

[claudette]

1. Absolutely!!

[soldierant]

60. There are two reports,

one on the insurrection case and one on the documents case.

I would not expect the insurrection one to nee much if any redaction.

But the documents one is going to need redaction because the two co-defendants are likely to get tried eventually, and redaction will be needed if it is released now in order not to prejudice a jury.

[onecaliberal]

2. I won't forget the silence and the rolling over.

[Snoopy 7]

69. What are you going to do about it?

We all know that 'money makes this world go round' and the people "in charge" of the government know that. We all seek Progressives to run for office while the money pit called the DNCC and DCCC use their money to get their democrat elected over the Progressive. Ask yourself do you think they want the money fountain to end? How are you going to do it? We need Progressive majorities in the Executive, Judiciary & Legislative in order to pass laws to control the amount of money it takes to run for governmental positions. The problem we have right now is republicans running for office as a democrat and talking like a Democratic candidates then after getting elected they switch parties. The republicans have no morals, and they call themselves "christians", they are only seek their fortune. What are you going to do about it???????

[Fiendish Thingy]

3. Yes, I agree, however...

Redactions may be necessary to protect national security and ongoing/future prosecutions.

Otherwise, it should be made public.

[Hope22]

6. I used to be very concerned with this...

…unti I saw a U-Haul’s worth of secret documents piled in a bathroom at an unsecured hotel! I’m not sure this is a valid issue anymore. TSF’S lawyers have been through the information. If retaliation is necessary they already have the info!

[Escurumbele]

27. Correct, show everything, maybe just redact names of witnesses to disallow MAGAts to turn violent

against them.

[republianmushroom]

4. Agree

[2naSalit]

5. Yup.

[angrychair]

7. Fuck Cheney

We need to stop acting as if a Republican, ANY REPUBLICAN is our friend or gives a shit about anybody but themselves.
All Republicans are the enemy and her father is a war criminal.
Whatever Cheney is doing is 100% a grift to help herself. Likely a presidential run and hoping to get Democrats to vote for her which I suspect a lot would. Reminder she voted with Trump over 90% of the time.

[usaf-vet]

8. So you would prefer Cheney and Kinziger not to have been members of the J6 hearings?

I think their presence improved the day-to-day hearings and the final report.

[Crunchy Frog]

11. She's done a lot more,

at greater cost and risk to herself than many Dems. I respect that.

And yes, her father is a war criminal who helped pave the way to the current situation, but she's not him.

[Magoo48]

14. The enemy of my enemy...

[Scubamatt]

21. Well said. Regardless

of her many other issues (which are neither forgiven nor forgotten), she has been an ardent voice against Trump. I wish more on our side would follow her example ON THIS ISSUE. We don't have to reject her out of hand because we don't like her other politics. Keep our eyes on the main target.

[mr715]

32. Look

On this issue - opposing Trump - I think she's on the money. But I also don't think she deserves a special trophy for having the boldness to be forgiven for her very odious record.

I think it is questionable strategy to have a Cheney be our spokesperson. It requires deep reflection.

[msfiddlestix]

63. agree. at the same time, it is a bit curious why Liz Cheney happens to be more outspoken than any of our

peeps.
Back 3 years ago, I kinda freaked a little bit with her outspoken stance revealing a level of acumen and intelligence I was frankly shocked given her extremists war hawk and religious ideology record, and presentations. Her presentations were on a level of leadership which made me a little worried she might toss her hat in the ring as an Independent for President, because during the j6 hearings, she absolutely seemed like Presidential material and would quite possibly have won.
When the Dobbs decision was pronounced, she sent it a tweet in praise of Alito for that decision, well she reminded me who she actually was.

[mr715]

71. Exactly

She is an adept politician. Like all politicians, we should be wary of their motives.

I do not think she is motivated by a sense of benevolence or justice. I think it is one of anger and political calculation.

[msfiddlestix]

72. I'm not sure I agree. I feel like she sincerely believes in her public pronouncements wrt Trump et al

just as I believe she sincerely believes abortion is should be banned, that it isn't the right of any woman for any reason to make that choice, and she believes in invading ME countries regardless just because they're Muslim therefore must be promoting terrorism or harboring terrorists.
I feel like her statements come from deep convictions. Which is very troubling an d position of extremism in my view.

As it was wheen she came out against Gays having the right to marry, and public ally dissing her own sister directly, on live tv, forcing their father, Dick, to public ally defend the oldest daughter, it wasn't poliical as it was deep religious convictions on Liz's part. Eventually Liz "evolved" on that stance to a degree in later years, which may have been a political decision. It's really hard to know.
But she put herself at great personal risk wrt to her work on the J6 committee hearings. I never got the political purpose hit in that regard.

That was when I started getting sppoked about her possibly tossing her hat in the ring for 2024 election, I felt like she would have easily won over Harris.

At the time I held out great hope TSF would have been incarcerated and therefore not in the game.

But on the other hand, she might be gaming it out now that Harris is out of the way, maybe TSF get's legally roasted or croaks in office. So, in that case you'd be spot on.

Jury is still for me at the moment. LOL.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

64. You are right on both counts

[harumph]

12. As much as I've disagreed with Cheney in the past, she did put herself "out there" more than

the great majority of republicans. She took her stance at great personal risk - especially because she knows what Trump is
capable of. I'm sometimes afraid for her. We can talk about how all the "mainstream" republicans fostered an environment that
made Trump a possibility. I would like to believe she gets that now and has some regrets. They flirted with the barbarians and now
we're in for a sacking.

[electric_blue68]

13. I probably disagree 90%+ w her views. She also did good by being on the committee to give it a bipartisan aspect along w

Adam.

Just because her father is a hideous human being, doesn't mean she can't do something right.

[MadameButterfly]

53. Her political views were formed by her father

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Very few people completely overturn the politics of their parents, especially high profile politicians. The fact that we are finding decency in even her father on this issue shows how far the Republican Party has strayed. Liz's upbringing should have created a different result than it did, and we have to give her credit for her independence and her courage.

When I see former Republicans speaking out against MAGA, Trump, and J6, I often want to punch them. Where were you, I want to ask, when the groundwork for all this was being laid? Even Nicole Wallace was writing speeches for George W. Were there not enough clues then? Was she not smart enough?

But we need to be grateful that for many of them (not enough of them) there is a line. And if they can search their souls, leave their tribe behind, and refuse to cross that line, we need to welcome them. We don't win by making Democracy an exclusive club.

[mr715]

17. She wasn't a prize when she was at State

I think war criminal runs in the family.

[iemanja]

36. You obviously haven't paid attention to the news for the last two years

if you think Cheney only thinks about herself. She sacrificed her career for truth and now faces prosecution and threats. Clearly she thinks of others over herself.

[angrychair]

39. Cheney is garbage

Screw her and all Republicans.
Sorry, I'm never going to compitulate to a Republican.
Never going to be bipartisan.

What Cheney is doing is laying the ground work for a presidential run in 4 years and this is all meant to engender Democrats to vote for her.
This is and has always been about her political career.

[iemanja]

43. Your political instincts are poor

She isn't laying the groundwork for a presidential run. In what universe would MAGA nominate her? Your posts make no sense.

[angrychair]

51. Say whatever you want I guess

Never thought I'd be on a Democratic website that bows down to Republicans so much. Been here 19 years. Things change I guess.
Maybe I'm just in the wrong place.

[iemanja]

57. No one is bowing down to Republicans

In fact, your hatred is directed toward someone who refused to bow down to Trump. We are instead recognizing that Cheney did a good thing standing up to Trump; she risked her own career and well-being. You evidently prefer she would have caved to Trump like the rest of the GOP. I also happen to think your views are inconsistent with respect for democracy, in which people have a right to disagree on issues. I'm not a Democratic because I want war with Republicans or because I pathologically hate anyone who ever had an association with the GOP. I support the Democratic party because it best represents my views and the best future for America--and that future does not include war on half of America.

[angrychair]

58. Half of America

Is already at war with Democrats if you believe so or not.
They gerrymander voting districts to shut Democrats out.
They want LGBTQ, women and Black folk to be second class citizens.
They want to force women to die of preventable healthcare emergencies in hospital parking lots.
They want to to force raped little girls to have their rapist's baby.
They want to force children to worship their God how they tell they to worship.
People like them want to wipe people like me out of existence.
So go ahead and talk about "bipartisanship" and "compromise" and "disagreement" with people that desperately want to wage war in our allies and friends is ok.
Fuck all Republicans.

[iemanja]

67. You're the only one talking about bipartisanship.

This thread is about Liz Cheney, who stood up to Trump, investigated his crimes, and campaigned for Kamala Harris. She is demanding the Smith report be released, but you oppose that, simply because she is a Republican.

My post referred not to bipartisanship, which is a separate topic altogether, but to a better America that would exist under Democratic governance, one in which people don’t despise everyone because they belong to a different party. That was Harris’ vision, one you have clearly said you do not support.

[ShazzieB]

61. Capitulate?!?

I don't know you're talking about. What the hell does giving Liz credit for being on the right side when it comes to Trump and MAGA have to do with capitulation?

I can give Liz Cheney credit for taking a strong stance AGAINST Trump and FOR the U.S. Constitution, the rule of law, and the preservation of Democracy without "capitulating" to her about a single issue that I disagree with her about, and I'm sure she knows it. I am willing to give her credit for sacrificing her House seat, putting up with a ton of abuse and threats from crazed MAGA cultists, speaking out strongly against Trump, and writing a book in which she eloquently expresses her opposition to him and her devotion to protecting our country from him (which I presume you haven't read), because I believe she has earned it.

Furthermore, I am opposed to judging someone by the actions of their father. Yes, Dick Cheney is a war criminal, but as someone else has pointed out in this thread, she is not him, and she is not personally responsible for the evil he has perpetrated.

I think it's very sad that some of my fellow Democrats are too blinded by hate to see that she is 1) not her father and 2) sincerely committed to supporting our Constitution and protecting our Democracy. That is all.

[WarGamer]

9. BTW I think bringing LC into the camaign COST VOTES in 24... YMMV

[senseandsensibility]

18. I don't think Cheney carried the weight with white women voters

or old school R's that they seemed to think she did. But that's not Cheney's fault, and it's all water under the bridge now. It's time to fight for the future, and I see her doing that.

[City Lights]

10. I absolutely agree with her.

It needs to be released now.

[Magoo48]

15. Yes.

[mr715]

16. Hagiography

Agreeing with Liz Cheney isn't a good thing. It should be avoided wherever necessary.

Dem leadership should be speaking up but then again the Cheneys are usually good at preemptive war.

[electric_blue68]

24. Agreement w one good thing she's done is Not hagiography 🙄

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[mr715]

33. You're right

Wrong word.

[benfranklin1776]

19. Absolutely 💯

Otherwise it will disappear down the memory hole. He needs to wear it like an albatross around his pustulent neck 😡

[JHB]

20. Why do we have to "agree with" someone about something sensible.

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Frame it right: she agrees with us.

[Bengus81]

22. Trump said it was already destroyed. Wait...you mean he lied?

[AllaN01Bear]

23. si.

[usregimechange]

25. I suspect she said that before Cannon's order, can't release against a court order

And it shouldn't be released against a court order. It should be released lawfully. I think it will, someday. If that pisses you off it should.

[DENVERPOPS]

46. I loved it today

when Trump said repeatedly he didn't even know the Judge who issued the court order.............Hell, he appointed her !!!!!!!!!

There is a question of legality whether she even has the ability to issue such an order, from her position.........

It's like the old adage: if you can't lick them, join them.....but in this case, Trump demands you lick him, before you're allowed to join him.....

[usregimechange]

52. Agreed and the 11th circuit should reverse her tonight

But we do not need leaders who can disregard court orders. That’s the crap they do.

[Escurumbele]

26. How much confidence is there that Garland will do the right thing? I have never been a person who likes to bet

but if I were to bet on this I would put my money on Garland not doing the right thing, he has proven to be a coward whose only worry is what the republicans will say about him, Garland, to me, is a total disappointment.

I hope my comment does not offend anyone, and if it does, I apologize, but that is how I feel about Garland. I strongly feel we are where we are today in great part because of Garland, his cowardice brought trump, a convicted felon, back to the WH, had he been true to his job, trump would be in jail today, and not waiting for January 20 to be confirmed.

Although I don't think it is going to happen because I believe I can count on MAGAts to continue being ignorant and stupid, my hope is that no one shows up to the inauguration.

[slightlv]

30. I have no faith in Garland.

The reports that our tax dollars paid for will not be released for decades, if ever. I think this is one of the greatest travesty of justice I've seen, especially since it's the judiciary who's carrying water for trump on this. It's enraging. Even more enraging is Garland, himself. More than anyone, he needs to be blamed and shamed for foot dragging the investigation and prosecution of an actual attempt to overthrow the government by a man who refused to cede his presidential loss, and made it as hard and humiliating as possible for the new President and his family to move in to the White House.

Some things we can throw off, although at first they show just how petty and mean an administration can be, like Bush saying the outgoing Clinton administration stole all the caps lock keys off the Keyboards (or whatever key it was). That was stupid and dumb, and just showed us from the very beginning what we could expect from Bush. trump's "trumpeting" from high and low what we can expect from him as long as he holds power (notice I did NOT say "four years&quot .

I would love to see barely anyone at the Inauguration except the oligarchs that bought him the presidency. Let them should it out loud, this is OUR President... the rest of you can go screw yourselves. But you're correct, the Magas are dumb enough to show up and act like the beastly animals they are in real life. Never grasping that trump will be selling them out wholesale, and has already started on it.

[Escurumbele]

38. I like you, believe on your quote "he holds power (notice I did NOT say 'four years'". I have a feeling they

want JD Vance and trump is just the trampoline to get him in. They know trump is a liability, even for them.

[DENVERPOPS]

47. Question

Did Trump even bother to show up at Biden's inauguration ??????? Is Biden going to show up at his????????

[pandr32]

28. I'm liking her more and more.

[Clouds Passing]

29. I never thought I'd hear myself agree with Liz Cheney but yes I do.

[Unladen Swallow]

31. I agree with literally nothing

that comes out of her mouth. Like any good politician, she swings with the wind. I trust her to be honest 0% of the time. She pays good lip service, I'll give her that. But in six months she'll be singing a different tune. Right now she is telling everyone what they want to hear.

[iemanja]

42. So you don't want the report released?

And you believe Trump should have gotten away with Jan 6 with no investigation? That all follows since you disagree with her on everything. Everything includes her opposition to Trump.

[Unladen Swallow]

45. I don't think she's genuine. At all.

I don't believe most politicians.

I will abide with what the courts decide. If a judge blocks it, bring a lawsuit and get it in front of the courts again.

[stillcool]

55. the courts?

I don't 'believe' any one I don't know...nor most of those I do know. If you're relying on the courts, that boat has sailed quite some time ago.

[flashman13]

34. Ms Cheney is absolutely right. We bought and paid for these reports. They belong to us.

Biden needs to tell Judge Cannon to go screw herself. Garland is less than useless. Joe, you need to step up.

Cheney has a bigger set than the 95% of the Democratic party.

[Groundhawg]

35. Not generally

[Evolve Dammit]

37. She's right. What else matters except the truth?

[iemanja]

40. Apparently, the Cheney haters don't want the report relased

Who are they trying to protect?

[Kablooie]

41. He will never to that.

Garland has a history of protecting Trump every chance he gets.
I expect he is secretly MAGA.

[Wounded Bear]

44. It should be done now. trump won't allow it...nt

[state of stupid]

48. Back in the day when real Republicans existed

I did not have a problem with their principles on a lot of things. Our biggest differences were
with their solutions which I strongly disagreed with. Oh, we kept up with politics about we felt
and how we voted. Their guy wins I get the friendly jabs; my guy wins they get the jabs and then we
talk about how it really did not matter who won, the only question left was when we got bent over
the table was it going to be lubed up or not. I have no problem joining anyone when they are right. I will
not join anyone if I feel they are wrong. She has nothing do with her father and what I think about him.
I do not remember picking my parents, I did not ask to come here and I either lost or did not get my
guarantee that my life was going to be everything I dreamed. Not all dreams come true and
sometimes they turn into nightmares. I had a Navy vet who was of the coast of Vietnam, who
probably was the ship's joker, explain to me what Navy stood for, the one and only thing you never do
on the ship, the difference between fairy tales and sea stories and the best of all; the major difference
between the Navy and the rest of the other branches.
1) Navy NEVER AGAIN VOLUNTEER YOURSELF
2) Never under any circumstance clean the coffee pot, you will wash away all the flavors.
3) Fairy tales start off Once upon a time and end in Happily ever after, Sea stories start This ain't no
shit and seldom if ever end in Happily ever after.
Any of you Navy vets who have heard this different please let me know:
4) All the other branches have R&R (rest and relaxation). The Navy has I&I (Intercourse and intoxication:
not necessarily in that order and not necessarily separate events).
Anyway, for the time being I am going with the enemy of my enemy route and will figure out the rest after
our common problem is solved.

[DENVERPOPS]

49. Of course it will be destroyed

if not released......the way Trump and RepubliCONs are re-writting history, including this mornings non-stop Trump tirade, I am worried about the entire National Archives............

[Americanme]

50. I was never a Cheney fan

I know she said Democrats are baby killers, and I assume she is ok with trickle-down economics, I do not love her policy positions. But I sure do love her for not kissing trump's ass with the rest of them. Maybe she is one of the few that cannot be blackmailed. Most of her party fell over each other rushing to get in line to pucker up. But not her. Love her for that. And Dipshit-elect knows from experience that his psycho followers will act on his ranting. Still, she shows no fear.

[SunSeeker]

54. K & R

[Timewas]

56. Anyone actually think

That "Duty" means anything to these people, they are bought and paid for and will do as the are instructed by the puppet masters. Our entire system is pretty much either gone or on the way out.

[Javaman]

59. I agree with her but we all know that useless garland won't do shit Nt

[PJMcK]

62. If the reports aren't released, we are done with the U.S.

Seriously, if the rule of law is over, no one is safe.

We’re looking at moving overseas and found gorgeous affordable apartments somewhere warm, inexpensive and accessible

Good luck to all!

[oldmanlynn]

65. Agreed on the Democratic Party.

They certainly seem missing and with seemingly no long term strategy other than GOTV

[Sparkly]

66. Astonishing to my own damn self, I do!

NEVER thought I'd admire any Cheney.

These are some very weird times.

[LudwigPastorius]

68. Garland is timorous.

He's not going to go against a federal judge's order, even one of dubious validity.

Smith's report is going to end up in that giant, Spielbergian, government warehouse, right next to the ark of the covenant.

[evilhime]

70. I have to wonder

What they have on garland to make him not do his job and on Biden for not firing him for not doing it.

[GoreWon2000]

73. Can't get past Cheney's hypocrisy

While I totally agree that the Jack Smith report must be released, I just can't get past Liz Cheney's hypocrisy concerning Presidential election stealing. White she certainly did the right thing concerning Trump's efforts to steal the 2020 election, her silence concerning the Bush 2000 election theft that created the Presidential election stealing roadmap that Trump used in 2020 has been deafening.