Would a "responsible conversation" in PA right now include a discussion

[niyad]

of who Gov. Shapiro might apppoint in john's place should he do the necessary and decent thing and resign, as he is clearly unwell. . or being threatened?

[Irish_Dem]

1. Unwell, threatened, or paid very large sums of money.

[niyad]

3. Or possibly two out of three.

[Irish_Dem]

15. Yes the sudden turn around with egregious behavior indicates more than one trigger event.

[tenderfoot]

10. I'm thinking the latter...

He should be held accountable for lying on the campaign trail. It's frustrating to see this kind of dishonesty, he should step down.

[bucolic_frolic]

2. Interesting OP. What did he do now?

Is he moving right to protect his family going forward?

[ScratchCat]

4. He said buying Greenland is a "responsible conversation"

and that Democrats need to stop freaking out. He's nuts or being paid.

[niyad]

5. Don't forget that he likened it to the Louisiana Purchase.

[niyad]

6. A glance down the Latest Discussions page should help.

[tenderfoot]

11. more here...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219883105

[bucolic_frolic]

21. So Fetterman is spooked about being primaried by a Trump-selected "Democrat"

would be my guess. But yeah he's nuts.

[sop]

7. I'm no doctor, but Fetterman does not seem well.

Fetterman has been acting erratically. Reportedly, he's still recovering from his stroke. I hope he gets better, but perhaps he should consider stepping aside.

[Amishman]

9. I think he's responding to the shifting direction of PA

PA is moving right / going red. Voter registration shows that trend is accelerating.

My suspicion is he's posturing for long term political survival in this state.

[tenderfoot]

16. Both Blue senators from GA haven't caved to their Red voters - that is a lame excuse

Perhaps if he supported the initiatives he ran on, he'd get more votes.

[Amishman]

20. GA is a former red state, gone purple, and trending blue

Our senators in GA are facing the opposite scenario, time and trends will only protect them more in the future

[sop]

22. You're right, he's also moving to the right.

I hope it's a calculated political strategy to keep his seat, not evidence of loss of focus or confusion. Still, the whole voting in the Senate while wearing shorts and a hoodie makes Fetterman appear more than a bit deranged. Maybe that's also part of his attempt to appeal to the state's working class MAGA voters?

[Irish_Dem]

23. Leadership is not about following voters off a cliff to destruction.

Leadership is about educating voters on the most prudent courses of action and why.

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

8. What makes you think Shapiro is any different from Fetterman?

Seems to me that to the party bigwigs and major donors (read: AIPAC, though not exclusively), Fetterman may be a model Senator in the Joe Manchin mode of Senatorial perfection. There are plenty of folks like Fetterman and Manchin around the country. A couple of state legislators in Florida have already defected. Others remain to sabotage legislation when Democrats win majorities. "Big Tent-ism" at its finest. Is it any wonder that most eligible voters stay home on election day?

Perhaps the question we should be asking, given Fetterman, is "what does the Democratic Party stand FOR?" You know, like specifically; enough to get you expelled for opposing. Nothing much that I can see, other than support for Israel, and perhaps that's why liberalism is in decline worldwide. The GOP torches its heathens in heretics in primaries. Ask Liz Cheney. In the last elections, the Democrats torched DSA and progressives, mostly with AIPAC help. I can only conclude that Fetterman and his kind are exactly what the Party Executive and its donors want.

[Paladin]

13. Comparing Fetterman to Shapiro? Get real.

Fetterman has devolved into a trump mouthpiece; outrageous statements, practically every day. He needs to leave public service just as soon as possible.

[niyad]

14. I have no idea about what Gov. Shapiro is doing. I am having enough trouble

keeping track of our recently-unveiled idiot kissing brainworm bobby's ass.

[Baitball Blogger]

12. Fetterman also said he would not approve it was taken by force.

It is very possible that John Fetterman is just your average ignorant American.

[niyad]

17. The fact that Denmark and Greenland have said it is not for sale should

have been the end of "reasonable conversation".

[Baitball Blogger]

18. Totally agree with you. I would like to see a reporter do a follow up to find out what Fetterman thinks now.

[niyad]

19. Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

[Lemons UK]

24. Nah - Shapiro is onboard with Trump as well. Kamala was right to distance herself at the end.

[Lulu KC]

25. What makes you think that?

I must have missed something.

[Lulu KC]

26. Oh, I think I found it n/t

[Cha]

30. Do you mind saying what? TY

My understanding is that Gov Shapiro's job is he's the Gov of All Pennsylvanians and acts accordingly.

[Lulu KC]

31. This seems to be what is upsetting people about Governor Shapiro

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219883776

[Cha]

32. TY, Lulu! Imo, Gov Shapiro is being pragmatic.. he's

willing to work with Mump, "existential threat" as long as ...

as long as it doesn’t compromise residents’ “fundamental freedom

That's a huge latitude that Mump can't touch.

Here's a post from a PA who "supports Gov Shapiro but doesn't have to like everything he does'..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219883776#post9

That's how I feel about him from way out here on Kauai.

I think Mump is going to do himself in.

[Lulu KC]

33. I'm not worried about Shapiro either

He is choosing his battles. He is also often misquoted.

Let's hope that He Who Shall Not Be Named will do himself in quickly!

[Cha]

34. That's an Excelent way to put it...

"Gov Shapiro is choosing his battles".

Yeah, I believe that about him being misquoted.. I saw some of that during the time he was on the short list.

And, Yes.. "Quickly"!

TY!

[choie]

27. And don't forget he's advocated for Biden to pardon trump.

Nothing else needs to be said.

[Unladen Swallow]

28. He's a fair-weather politician

This should shock no one.