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orangecrush

(30,256 posts)
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:21 AM Jan 2025

Trump gets off Scott free

After months of delay, legal sparring, and constitutional uncertainty, President-elect Donald Trump was sentenced to an “unconditional discharge” over his felony conviction on 34 counts of falsifying business records related to hush money paid to porn star Stormy Daniels.

The “unconditional discharge” sentence — which is what the prosecution requested — allows Trump to avoid any prison time, fines, probation, or other punishment, as in just over a week he will be sworn in as president and receive immunity from legal repercussions.


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-sentenced-unconditional-discharge-hush-money-case-1235230935/

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Trump gets off Scott free (Original Post) orangecrush Jan 2025 OP
Welp. Our judicial system is truly dead. travelingthrulife Jan 2025 #1
He's now a convicted felon. Our first convicted felon US President. emulatorloo Jan 2025 #2
Which hinders him not at all. orangecrush Jan 2025 #5
Merchan: emulatorloo Jan 2025 #11
Trump's Justice Dept put Michael Cohen in prison for his role in the same crime. surfered Jan 2025 #3
+1 dalton99a Jan 2025 #7
well...Donald Trump set the example. riversedge Jan 2025 #8
Donald Trump is now a convicted FELON!! ---until he pardons himself on Jan 20 riversedge Jan 2025 #4
He can't as this is a state conviction Jose Garcia Jan 2025 #9
Appreciate the fact check. emulatorloo Jan 2025 #15
oh my! I completely forgot that. Thanks for the reminder!! riversedge Jan 2025 #16
It's very clear we have a tiered justice system. Autumn Jan 2025 #6
I bet my Brother DeepWinter Jan 2025 #10
Well Traildogbob Jan 2025 #12
Where Merchan went wrong... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #13
But he is a convicted felon. underpants Jan 2025 #14
Which affects him not in the least. orangecrush Jan 2025 #18
Right now he can't vote in Florida. 😊 gab13by13 Jan 2025 #24
Aren't there countries who deny entrance to CONVICTED felons? Attilatheblond Jan 2025 #26
Well according to him - Lokee11 Jan 2025 #28
YUP. and as someone reminded me--this is State court--so Trumpy can NOT pardon his own crimes. riversedge Jan 2025 #19
Requested by the prosecution??? sarisataka Jan 2025 #17
I always thought Hunter Biden would be punished before Trump wishstar Jan 2025 #20
"Convicted Felon" has a certain ring to it. Kid Berwyn Jan 2025 #21
I have a couple friends who are professional musicians. La Coliniere Jan 2025 #22
Sorry Rebl2 Jan 2025 #32
No Fines ??? WTF RANDYWILDMAN Jan 2025 #23
Hope Hicks testified at his trial gab13by13 Jan 2025 #25
Then he will be tried again Sundance1220 Jan 2025 #27
We need to change, US Presidents have in fact committed crimes, GW Bush is but one. Passages Jan 2025 #29
Nation of laws! Will LMAO next time I hear that. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Jan 2025 #30
No surprise Rebl2 Jan 2025 #31
Judge values their future more than issuing out a sentence DSandra Jan 2025 #33
'Scott free', No, he has to carry the label of convicted sentenced felon for the rest of his life. republianmushroom Jan 2025 #34
As a convicted felon, TFG aka The Felon Guy has to submit a DNA sample to the New York criminal database LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2025 #35

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
11. Merchan:
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:28 AM
Jan 2025

Judge Merchan:

"Ordinary citizens do not receive those legal protections. It is the office of the president that bestows those to the office holder. It is the citizenry of this nation that recently decided that you should once again receive the benefits of those protections."

surfered

(13,463 posts)
3. Trump's Justice Dept put Michael Cohen in prison for his role in the same crime.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:24 AM
Jan 2025

All crooks will now be running for President .

 

DeepWinter

(931 posts)
10. I bet my Brother
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:27 AM
Jan 2025

$20 Trump would get off 100% scott free. I just knew that's how it would work. Punishment is for us tax paying working class.

Traildogbob

(13,018 posts)
12. Well
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:28 AM
Jan 2025

I guess we can stop saying people of color get the harshest justice there is.
Maybe we should all paint ourselves orange if we face a judge.
Now he is empowered even more to do whatever the fuck he wants to this country. Consequences………..
Get that fuck outta here!!!!😡🤬🖕🏿🖕🏾🖕🏽🖕🏼🇺🇸

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
13. Where Merchan went wrong...
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:29 AM
Jan 2025

...on trump's sentencing day... He is NOT a sitting President.

Attilatheblond

(8,876 posts)
26. Aren't there countries who deny entrance to CONVICTED felons?
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:12 PM
Jan 2025

His travel options just might be affected. We know he loves to travel around on our dime and be all impotent (deliberate spelling) and shit

Lokee11

(407 posts)
28. Well according to him -
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:18 PM
Jan 2025

He does not need any votes - he has all the votes he needs!

Perfectly normal thing to say and express while out campaigning while running for pres and not a red flag RE: election integrity.




✊FDT!

riversedge

(80,810 posts)
19. YUP. and as someone reminded me--this is State court--so Trumpy can NOT pardon his own crimes.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:34 AM
Jan 2025

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
17. Requested by the prosecution???
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:32 AM
Jan 2025

way to roll over and show your belly.

Why didn't they just request the convictions be thrown out and have his record expunged? That will eventually happen anyway.

wishstar

(5,829 posts)
20. I always thought Hunter Biden would be punished before Trump
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:40 AM
Jan 2025

and he would have if he hadn't been pardoned before his sentencing since it's doubtful Hunter would have received only an unconditional discharge.

Kid Berwyn

(24,393 posts)
21. "Convicted Felon" has a certain ring to it.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:40 AM
Jan 2025


Being President of the United States is the highest form of Control Fraud yet devised. However, should realprezidunt Elon Musk become president of Earth or Mars, all bets are off.

https://www.acamstoday.org/white-collar-crime-an-overview-of-the-crimes-more-than-80-year-existence/

La Coliniere

(1,932 posts)
22. I have a couple friends who are professional musicians.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:42 AM
Jan 2025

They are both apolitical and very cynical about American politics. They haven’t voted in many years and hold the opinion that our system of government is entirely corrupt and that “justice for all” is an absurd joke. I’ve pushed back on their arguments in the past. Sad to say they’ve been correct in their appraisal of our judicial system and I’m now in their camp.

Rebl2

(17,740 posts)
32. Sorry
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:31 PM
Jan 2025

but they are right. Many of the very wealthy, it seems anymore, get away with breaking laws. The rest of us nobodies would go to prison for less than what they did. I do continue to vote and will as long as I am able to.

RANDYWILDMAN

(3,163 posts)
23. No Fines ??? WTF
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:49 AM
Jan 2025

What a piece of garbage.

Did Cohen serve like 3 years for the same crime and he is the boss, so his punishment should be worse than that?

gab13by13

(32,319 posts)
25. Hope Hicks testified at his trial
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:08 PM
Jan 2025

Her testimony was minor but she worked in the White House which will give the Supreme Court an excuse to overturn the conviction.

 

Sundance1220

(285 posts)
27. Then he will be tried again
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:15 PM
Jan 2025

And next time there will be no hindrance of his office to stop the maximum penalty. This will hang over his head until the day he dies.

Passages

(4,161 posts)
29. We need to change, US Presidents have in fact committed crimes, GW Bush is but one.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:21 PM
Jan 2025

Holding any citizen to account should be a priority and until we meet that challenge we have failed. We should not need "courageous" judges/prosecutors, our laws should be clear. If they are muddied, then we must demand our lawmakers change said laws.



Indictments of a sitting or former president remain an uncertain area of Constitutional law. The Constitution does not directly address indictments for either, and the Supreme Court has never had an opportunity to rule directly on the issue. Overall, most legal experts support the possibility of indicting a former president at least for certain crimes, but there is less consensus on the indictment of a sitting president.

SNIP
The Department of Justice (DOJ) has a continuing policy since the 1970s that sitting presidents cannot be indicted as it would unconstitutionally prevent them from performing their duties as the head of the executive branch (see this Attorney General Memo). Essentially, if a president became indicted, this position holds that the entire Executive would be compromised from fulfilling its obligations given the unique powers of the president. This privilege does not extend to any other person, including the vice president. This line of reasoning has been supported by Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story in a treatise and strongly argued for by Justice Samuel Alito in a dissent in Trump v. Vance, 140 S. Ct. 2412. Further, the executive branch has complete prosecutorial discretion, which in theory gives the president authority over whether to indict themselves. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/indictment_of_presidents




DSandra

(1,719 posts)
33. Judge values their future more than issuing out a sentence
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:31 PM
Jan 2025

Everyone’s bending the knee…

republianmushroom

(22,325 posts)
34. 'Scott free', No, he has to carry the label of convicted sentenced felon for the rest of his life.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:32 PM
Jan 2025

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,847 posts)
35. As a convicted felon, TFG aka The Felon Guy has to submit a DNA sample to the New York criminal database
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:16 PM
Jan 2025

This makes me smile



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