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[hlthe2b]

1. I get your point, but umm, no at least not for violent felonies...

[AZLD4Candidate]

14. the sentence has been served. the felon is square with the house when released

it should NOT be on the job application.

[hlthe2b]

23. Depends. Really violent crimes... NO. Those involving harm to children. NO. Those involving aggravated

sexual battery/assault/rape. NO. Intentional gun violence where someone was killed/injured during the course of a crime... NO

What is it you are talking about?

[AZLD4Candidate]

24. When the sentence is up, the felon is square with the house. IF they do it again, then they owe the house.

I am a Blackstone person through and through.

All I think is Jean Valjean stealing bread to feed his family from Les Miserables and having that chase him his entire life. We are better than that.

Sorry you believe in eternal punishment that only increases recidivism and I'm sorry the CORRECTIONS part of CORRECTIONS and REHABILITATION has been prioritized over REHABILITATION, but, being a teacher for 20 years, I've seen the beginning of the school to prison pipeline and worked my ass off to stop it.

Principals and teachers start the trek down that road by developing reputations for child and we continue into adult life.

Once the sentence is up, the felon is square with the house no matter what the crime was. And I truly believe one in every two people in prison actually belong there to begin with since our justice system is more about getting convictions and prison sentences than it is about finding the truth and helping society and people heal.

If someone serves 25 to life and gets out after 25, the felon is square and did their time. Fresh, clean slate unless they do it again.

[hlthe2b]

25. Jean Valjean stealing bread was not a violent crime. Done. You seem to want to restate (falsely)

what I said, so I am done with you. Employers... especially those in fields serving children have a right to know--in fact the law requires it--if a potential employee has had a history of violence, especially toward children. And I sure as hell want to know who in my ER has a history of violence toward others. As a potential patient, I'd think YOU would likewise.

Bye.

[AZLD4Candidate]

33. If you read the book, he broke a window to get the bread. That is an act of violence.

You are too flippant to speak to any more.

All I care about if I am in the ER like that is if the person can save my life. Their criminal record is unimportant. But if you want to bleed out there because someone served their time and are beneath saving your life and have rehabilitated, by all means, bleed out.

As for working with children, all have to pass a background check for that. Doctors do not. Moving on now.

[hlthe2b]

34. Good gawd. Breaking a window is not an act of violence.

It is vandalism. Ridiculous.

And yes, hospitals routinely do background checks on everyone--including doctors--even to grant privileges. You have no clue if you think otherwise in this litigious climate.

[FBaggins]

26. There is no "square with the house"

They have paid their debt to society (keeping in mind that the sentence is usually more than the period of rehabilitation- and some stick with you for life)… but that has little to do with the factors that an employer might want to consider.

They can’t force you to answer the question.

[Blue Full Moon]

2. Also every one who has lost their

Security clearance over unpaid debt should be reinstated.

[Turbineguy]

3. Trump is special.

laws are for other people.

[Klarkashton]

4. It's a big problem for businesses. insurance

Companies don't want to insure businesses that have felons as employees. People with a felony on their record have a hell of a time getting a job with a legit business.

[Klarkashton]

7. This is a very sad situation. So many people have

Suffered and that piece of shit .....

[Klarkashton]

10. The system has no problems with fucking up a

Little guy's while life, ruining it for ever. Yet that horrible monster walks away like a fucking king.

[Silent Type]

5. Unfortunately, believe his felonies, trials, etc., helped him at polls.

[NJCher]

13. I believe there were research studies

that showed people backed off wanting to vote for him when they became aware of his indictments and subsequent court appearances.

[Silent Type]

18. Some might have. Some/enough others were attracted to his image and/or vile BS.

[NJCher]

19. I am going on research studies

Do you have any that show the number who were attracted to his criminal image and subsequently said they'd vote for him because of it? If you do, I'd like to see them because I am collecting information on this topic.

Thanks in advance.

[Silent Type]

21. So you believe that if he were not found guilty and not facing charges elsewhere, he would have won by much more?

[NJCher]

22. I haven't formed a belief

Still in the process of collecting research. I have been searching for a study that says what you are saying but have been unable to find one. That’s why I would be grateful if you would share your source.

[Think. Again.]

9. We must stop pretending we have equality under the law.

Judge Merchan has made it very clear that is not true, and it has secretly not been true for a very long time.

[RainCaster]

11. That's no secret

You're right- we have always had a two tier justice system. Once it was slave owners at the top, now it's the billionaires. Morality is no different between them

[AllaN01Bear]

12. just us system.

[displacedvermoter]

30. I don't know how Merchan can ever preside over another case

Anyone he sentences will be a public reminder of his willingness, his seeming pride, in letting Trump walk. And his "godspeed" grovelling moment will be forever remembered as one of the most shameful remarks ever uttered by an American jurist.

In his own way he is as much an embarrassment as is Judge Cannon.

Any defense attorney entering his court will know the presiding judge is a coward, and they will have his number. Frankly, he should resign now, though he obviously will not.

Remember when Kirschner, and Weissman, and all the other TV lawyers were going on like groupies about the power and majesty of a federal court judge weilding the might of American justice, and how Trump was now going to face an eye opening moment of truth? Well, never mind, more TV hyperbole.

[Think. Again.]

32. Yes, I wonder if he will let everyone he sentences off the hook...

...because they might be starting a new job soon.

[In It to Win It]

15. Everybody that voted for this felon also better be willing to hire felons in their business

if they're in a position to hire people.

[Baron2024]

16. Felons And The Presidency

We need a law or Constitutional amendment. Convicted felons should not be able to hold high Federal offices, including the Presidency. The Founding Fathers must be spinning in their graves. I am all for rehabilitation and giving people second chances if they earn it, but the Presidency should be off limits to convicted felons.

[TalenaGor]

17. in many states, 'Ban The Box' does just that

[Meowmee]

20. It won't be but it should be

Rules for thee and not for me.

[bucolic_frolic]

27. Corporate Legal departments will have some problems with that.

Matter of liability. Of course since they're trashing the whole criminal code, it all goes away eventually.

[MichMan]

28. No reason why someone with 5 DUI convictions shouldn't be driving a gas tanker.

[Groundhawg]

29. no