in talking with my daughter and her friends, i cannot think of one thing that has alienated young dem voters more

[AmandaRuth]

than the tiktok ban. Youngsters that came to the party for Obama and Bernie, and did not vote the last election.

don't get mad at me, i'm just passing on what i've been hearing.

President Biden, your move.

(also long timers might remember my daughter as mini-amandaruth)

[sarisataka]

1. What do you expect President Biden to do in the next 48 hours?

And if there was something he could do that quickly, would it bring these voters back in coming elections?

[LonePirate]

109. He can do what Trump is going to do when he takes office. No need to wait.

That action is of course to not enforce the ban.

[sarisataka]

111. Since the ban isn't in effect yet

It should be quite easy to not enforce

[LonePirate]

112. The ban will be in effect for roughly the final 36 hours of his presidency. Why give Trump an easy win?

[CentralMass]

2. The Gaza situation seem to be a factor as well.

[Blue_Tires]

6. I think we know by now beyond all doubt

that the tidal wave of supposed outrage over Gaza was nothing but an op -- Especially now that Donnie is going to greenlight the IDF to wipe Gaza off the map

[snot]

30. The genocide in Gaza is my top concern, & I am not part of any "op."

My branch of the Dem party is anti-war and anti-imperialist.

Unfortunately, we're apparently considered obsolete.

[ZRB]

42. There is no genocide

There are war casualties that the so called victims started. That this is your top concern is questionable, especially since your concern is a fiction. Genocidal parties don’t do ceasefires; they do gas chambers. And yeah, the party needs to run away from the pacifist, pro-Hamas and pro-Putin wing of the far left as quickly as possible.

[Dave Bowman]

53. "Genocidal parties don't do ceasefires; they do gas chambers."

Never heard of Rwanda? There were no gas chambers and ceasefires were negociated and signed.

[ZRB]

59. Even if I cede that point

It still isn’t genocide. I won’t stop pushing back on that fiction. It’s an antisemitic trope expertly deployed and embraced by naive pacifists and hateful actors alike. It successfully handed the presidency to Trump.

How do I know it’s a fictional genocide? The accusations started on October 8th, 2023. Any legitimate criticism of the military operation has been drowned in hyperbole from day one.

[drmeow]

88. Just curious

do you reject all of Amnesty International, Center for Constitutional Rights (US), International Court of Justice, South Africa, Belgium, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Egypt, Ireland, Spain, Libya, Maldives, Mexico, Nicaragua and Turkiye's decisions or findings ... or just the one's involving Israel and Palestinians.

You know what, don't bother answering ... because I have zero interest in your response.

[ZRB]

140. I sure do

Antisemitism is global.

[Butterflylady]

93. If there is no genocide,

Then why did they cut of the things like water. You can go how many days without food, but how long can a body go without it? About 3 days depending on the condition of your body. How about electricity. How do you cook, how do you tell your 3 year sorry, you won't eat today. And how do feel when you have no heat and you wake up and your newborn is dead because it froze to death because there are 8 newborns that died that way. How do you live in tents made of cloth because rain get thru cloth so everything is soaked. But what really irks me is when you destroy and everything in it is hospitals. Don't anyone tell me that we're terrorists hiding there. Why didn't you go after them and let the patients alone and not send them out half naked walk to another. If your not committed to genocide, why not protect the innocent if your goal to get rid of hamas? Now you may say that hamas stole it and that may be true to extent, but not completely. Do you know that a commander told his unit to destroy all the humanitarian aid in trucks that they find. Why would you do that to hungry children.

And why has Israel set up a luxurious spa for their soldiers because they need help recovering from the war. A lot of their soldiers have PTSD. Why, because they have seen and have been thur. Just like our soldiers when they came home from Vietnam, and Iraq.

Why do you think Netanyaho doesn't want journalts in Gaza, especially if they are Palestinians. Why do think the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz has been telling the truth about what is going on in Gaza and that's why Netanyaho has not liked the paper because of Haaretz

[ZRB]

142. A war can be fought poorly

Without it being genocide. The pro-Pal contingent has skipped over any legitimate criticism and jumped straight to hyperbole from day one. You know who I blame for suffering babies in Gaza? Their elected terrorist government, the one that uses their population as human shields, and forces women to churn out new ones like the breeding chattel they are in that society. The lesson here is don’t start wars.

[snot]

143. "Genocide" does not require gas chambers.

"Now, an 'objective, methodological, and detailed analysis' conducted in part by the Boston University School of Law’s International Human Rights Clinic as part of a report from the University Network for Human Rights (UNHR), a consortium of human rights centers at colleges across the world, has released its finding.

"The UNHR report, released in mid-May, concludes: 'Israel has committed genocidal acts, namely killing, seriously harming, and inflicting conditions of life calculated, and intended to, bring about the physical destruction of Palestinians in Gaza,' says Susan Akram, a LAW clinical professor of law and director of LAW’s International Human Rights Clinic, who contributed to the report.

"The report was researched and written by UNHR members from LAW’s International Human Rights Clinic, ​​the International Human Rights Clinic at Cornell Law School, the Centre for Human Rights at the University of Pretoria in South Africa, and the Lowenstein Human Rights Project at Yale Law School.

The report’s conclusions are based on internationally agreed upon definitions of genocide. 'As set forth in the Genocide Convention of 1948,” the report reads, “the crime of genocide requires that a perpetrator kill, seriously harm, or inflict conditions of life calculated to bring about the destruction of a group, in whole or in part, with the intent to destroy the group as such.' The report continues: 'after reviewing the facts established by independent human rights monitors, journalists, and United Nations agencies, we conclude that Israel’s actions in and regarding Gaza since October 7, 2023, violate the Genocide Convention.'”

More at https://www.bu.edu/articles/2024/is-israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza/ .

"According to a United Nations agency and a growing number of experts and rights organisations, including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, Israel has committed genocidal acts against the Palestinian people during its ongoing invasion and bombing of the Gaza Strip as part of the Israel–Hamas war. Various observers, including the UN Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices and the United Nations Special Rapporteur, have cited statements by senior Israeli officials that may indicate an 'intent to destroy' Gaza's population in whole or in part, a necessary condition for the legal threshold of genocide to be met.

"By mid-August 2024, it was confirmed that the Israeli military's actions had caused the deaths of at least 40,000 people in the Gaza Strip—1 out of every 59 people—averaging 148 deaths per day. Most of the victims are civilians, of whom at least 50% are women and children. Compared to other recent global conflicts, the numbers of known deaths of journalists, humanitarian and health workers, and children are among the highest. Thousands of more dead bodies are thought to be under the rubble of destroyed buildings. The Lancet has estimated 70,000 deaths due to traumatic injuries. The number of injured is greater than 100,000; Gaza has the most child amputees per capita in the world. As of August 2024, only 17 of Gaza's 36 hospitals were partially functional; 84% of its health centers have been destroyed or suffered damage. An enforced Israeli blockade heavily contributed to starvation and the threat of famine in Gaza, while some Israeli civilians have blocked or attacked aid convoys delivering humanitarian supplies across the border. Early in the conflict, Israel cut off Gaza's water and electricity supply. Israel has also destroyed numerous culturally significant buildings, such as all of Gaza's 12 universities, 80% of its schools, and numerous mosques, churches, museums, and libraries.

"The government of South Africa has instituted proceedings, South Africa v. Israel, against Israel at the International Court of Justice (ICJ), alleging a violation of the Genocide Convention. In an initial ruling, the ICJ held that South Africa was entitled to bring its case against Israel, while Palestinians were recognised to have a right to protection from genocide. The court ordered Israel to observe its obligations under the Genocide Convention by taking all measures within its power to prevent the commission of acts of genocide, to prevent and punish incitement to genocide, and to allow basic humanitarian services into Gaza. The court also later ordered Israel to increase humanitarian aid into Gaza and to prevent genocidal acts during the Rafah offensive. The Israeli government rejected South Africa's allegations."

{Footnotes omittied.} More at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

"On 5 December [2024], Amnesty International concluded after an investigation that 'Israel has committed and is continuing to commit genocide against Palestinians in the occupied Gaza Strip'. A few days later, the European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR) stated that after research and analysis, it concluded that 'there is a legally sound argument that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza'.

"A few days after that, Human Rights Watch (HRW) declared that 'Israeli authorities are responsible for the crime against humanity of extermination and for acts of genocide', and Médecins Sans Frontières reported that its medical 'teams in the north of Gaza are seeing clear signs of ethnic cleansing'. Earlier in November, HRW also concluded that Israel’s actions in Gaza amounted to 'war crimes' and 'crimes against humanity', and appeared to 'also meet the definition of ethnic cleansing'."

More at https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/23/israel-gaza-war-genocide-where-is-the-action .

[Mountainguy]

87. There are actual genocides going on in the world

Why aren't those your top concerns?

[snot]

144. We have the power to stop or materially slow the killing in Gaza.

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And I'd welcome sourced facts showing that there are bigger, more "actual" genocides going on elsewhere.

(I don't mean that snarkily; I don't rule out that they may exist, but I don't know of any.)

[Mountainguy]

147. Israel has enough weapons to wipe out Gaza 10 times over

No, slowing supply to them wouldn't stop anything.

And we also have the ability to stop other genocides as well.

[yardwork]

136. If a civil war on the other side of the world is your top concern...

This is the lack of thinking that got us Trump again.

[snot]

145. It's my concern morally; and

beyond that, it's my concern because the cost is contributing to the looting of the US economy ad is also harming US foreign policy interests, with one likely result being an increase in terrorist attacks against us.

I'm not even convinced that our support for Israel is in Israel's best interests, let alone ours, since its warfare in Gaza has undone decades of pro-Israel sentiment both here and abroad.

[Jack Valentino]

157. And this is the ATTITUDE towards the concerns of others, which helped give us Trump again.

It clearly takes quite a bit of thinking, for a civil war on the other side of the world to become one's top concern.

What you're saying is, that their concern does not matter---
so it shouldn't be a surprise when those people lose motivation to vote
in support of what YOU thinks matters!

[yardwork]

166. I predict that you will discover you care about more.

[Jack Valentino]

155. Not by me.

[Cha]

35. Yeah If they really cared about Gaza they wouldn't have assisted the

The Big Fascist Bibi buddy getting in Charge

[msfiddlestix]

46. No. It actually wasn't. It was a major issue among younger voters in NoCal. Not the only thing.

My instance they keep their eyes on the prize and be smart about the consequence of their intention to withhold their vote would be of far greater danger but did not seem to penetrate to my dismay.
And shock actually.

[womanofthehills]

51. You Gov just released a poll

Millions of people who voted for Biden in 2020 stayed home & did not vote because of the genocide in Gaza.

MSN - “New poll shows Gaza conflict a key factor in Kamala Harris defeat after ceasefire deal”

MSN - A new poll found that Gaza played a major role in Vice President Kamala Harris' loss in the 2024 election.

“A poll from the Middle East Understanding Policy Project/YouGov released Wednesday found that Gaza was the number one reason why millions who voted for President Joe Biden in 2020 decided to stay home in 2024.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-poll-shows-gaza-conflict-a-key-factor-in-kamala-harris-defeat-after-ceasefire-deal/ar-AA1xjvCn

[Eko]

74. Jeez, dont let facts enter the conversation.

Why would you want to do that?

[Mosby]

89. IMEU, the creator of this poll is biased against Israel and Jews in general.

I imagine that are antizionists as well.

In 2015, the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance sought to promote a non-legally binding definition of antisemitism as “a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews […] directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.” 7

IMEU opposed this initiative, stating that it served to protect “Israel’s violent apartheid rule over the Palestinian people.” IMEU further stated that such a definition seeks to turn the government into “Orwellian thought police,” and urged members of Congress to refrain from adopting such a definition. It lamented “white supremacy” in the U.S. which “has targeted Black, brown, Asian-American, Jewish-American, and LGBTQ communities.”¹

WTH?

¹ https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/institute-for-middle-east-understanding-imeu/

[Wiz Imp]

116. Sooo many people are just really stupid.

[Eko]

73. Do I get paid for that op?

Just wondering cause I didnt get anything yet.

[Celerity]

41. This below caused the first really negative blowback from my real-life social set. Climate change is a huge issue for us

Revealed: Biden administration was not legally bound to auction gulf drilling rights

Justice department admits a previous ruling did not force the detonation of what environmentalists call ‘huge carbon bomb’

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/dec/13/revealed-biden-administration-was-not-legally-bound-to-auction-gulf-drilling-rights

The Biden administration admitted that a court decision did not compel it to lease vast tracts of the Gulf of Mexico for oil and gas drilling, shortly before claiming it was legally obliged to do so when announcing the sell-off, the Guardian can reveal. Last month, the US government held the largest-ever auction of oil and gas drilling leases in the Gulf of Mexico’s history, offering up more than 80m acres of the gulf’s seabed for fossil fuel extraction. The enormous sale, which took place just four days after crucial UN climate talks in Scotland, represented a spectacular about-turn from Joe Biden’s previous promise to halt offshore drilling and was denounced by outraged environmental groups as a “huge carbon bomb”. The president’s administration insisted it was obliged to hold the lease sale due to a court ruling in favor of a dozen states that sued to lift a blanket pause placed on new drilling permits by Biden.

But a memo filed by the US Department of Justice before the lease sale acknowledges that this judgement does not force the government to auction off drilling rights to the gulf. “While the order enjoins and restrains (the department of) interior from implementing the pause, it does not compel interior to take the actions specified by plaintiffs, let alone on the urgent timeline specified in plaintiffs’ contempt motion,” wrote government lawyers to the federal court in Louisiana in August. The issuance of new drilling permits would require further steps under federal laws, the memo states, adding that “the court’s order does not compel the agency to act in contravention of these other authorities”. The memo’s language was first referenced by The Daily Poster.

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Just a month after arguing that it was not required to hold the sale, however, the department of interior’s bureau of ocean energy management (BOEM) announced it would auction off an area of the gulf that is two times the size of Florida to oil and gas companies. The expanse of the gulf put up for auction contains around 1.12bn barrels of oil and 4.2tn cubic ft of gas, with the leases locking in years – and potentially decades – of planet-heating emissions. It comes at a time when the International Energy Agency has said no new fossil fuel projects can be established after this year if the world is to avoid catastrophic heatwaves, flooding and other disastrous impacts from runaway climate change.

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The rapid staging of the lease sale was not required by the courts and could have instead been delayed by a proper federal review of climate and other environmental impacts according to Earthjustice, an environmental group that is suing to halt the leases before they come into effect in February. “Interior had a lot of discretion over whether to hold this lease sale and they chose to do it anyway,” said Brettny Hardy, a senior attorney at Earthjustice. “The Biden administration is talking about a climate crisis and getting to net-zero emissions and then it makes decisions like this that lock us into impacts for decades to come. These leases could potentially be producing oil 50 years from now. We have no good answer as to why they are doing this. It’s problematic and disappointing.”

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[ZRB]

43. They can have fun with the Trump environmental policies

The environment is my top concern as well, and that’s why I’ve been a loyal Democrat since age 9. There is no other choice than the Democratic Party, and nitpicking our President helps no one except Republicans. Nothing has hurt Democratic administrations more than so called “holding their feet to the fire.”

[Celerity]

47. That happened in late 2021, 3 years before the next POTUS election. Then, in March 2023, the Willow Project approval did

not help either. Things like those hurt us on the margins with younger voters. I saw it with my own eyes. It fed disengagement and apathy, despite my own efforts to use the absolutely true 'Trump will be far worse' angle with so many.

That said, many in my social set who were the most concerned with climate change were re-energised when Harris became the new candidate, but we all saw what happened there.

[riversedge]

103. *

[womanofthehills]

63. 170,000 young Americans on TicToc

Many spend an hour a day or more.

Pictures of dead and injured babies and kids every day on TicToc and really explicit ones on x.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT2dRUu4H/

[JI7]

77. Why don't they care about the Uighurs ?

[NickB79]

81. Their protest votes got Trump elected

And he will lead to MORE Gazans dying, not less.

Anyone who abstained from voting due to Gaza, or voted for Trump due to Gaza, is a raging idiot who has blood on their hands now.

Good work, morons.

[Iris]

3. Didn't the TikTok ban start with Trump?

Just like roe vs wade was overturned by Trumps judicial appts. A lot of younger people blamed that on Biden as well.

[AmandaRuth]

11. yes, i've heard a lot of anti R stuff, but in thier minds, this puts them in the same bucket

no one cares, so why vote.

[Iris]

19. Ah! Thanks for that clarification. I have to say, who can blame them?

[travelingthrulife]

173. I can. If they are adults then they are responsible to know what's going on.

They say, "fuck it. I didn't get my pony" then they are being irresponsible.

[Iris]

176. Our current educational system doesn't prepare them for that.

They may be mad at the wrong people but that's more of a consequence to what they've been given or not given.

[Blue Full Moon]

28. Trump wanted it banned.

During the 2020 election cycle. Young people used TicToc to get most of the tickets for his Tulsa rally. Hardly anyone showed up. He got mad.

[Wiz Imp]

117. Trump did ban it via executive order on August 6, 2020

It never got implemented due to a court injunction, then Biden issue an executive order revoking the ban in June 2021.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_controversy

[womanofthehills]

64. Trump changed his mind about TicToc

He said he now likes TicToc because it helped him get elected.

[alarimer]

86. He flip-flopped because the Chinese owner of the company paid him off.

This was originally a GOP thing that only passed because it was attached to a bill funding Ukraine.

I think TikTok is absolutely fucking garbage and making our country worse (so is X and Meta, for that matter). They definitely need regulation.

[travelingthrulife]

174. This. He bought Traitor Trump.

Enough so that Trump has him sitting on the dais at his coronation today according to reports.
Come on, young people, we need you to wake up. It is your future.

[Blue_Tires]

4. You must be joking? 🤨

[AmandaRuth]

7. i'm not, just passing on what I'm hearing.

l

[sop]

55. I have a hard time understanding how anyone could be so addicted to a social media site they would

withhold their vote, or vote for policies that are clearly not in their interest, because they have a problem with the administration's position on the TikTok ban. It makes absolutely no sense to me, but then nothing makes much sense these days.

(I realize you're just passing on what you're hearing.)

[Jack Valentino]

154. Take away something they love ??

It's quite understandable to me how that could curb their enthusiasm for voting for you...

[sop]

162. I would understand if a candidate wanted to take away their healthcare, social security and medicare.

Or make them pay their student loans. Or cause long-term damage to the environment. Like Trump promised he would do. That might be a good reason to not vote for that candidate. But for simply supporting the TikTok ban?

Perhaps TikTok users should find out why the site was banned, instead of spending all their waking hours chimping on a device screen. They might learn Biden didn't ban TikTok on his own, it was a bipartisan effort, and Donald Trump was behind it.

[Alliepoo]

65. I don't think some folks on here realize

How insanely popular TikTok is and how much it means to not only teenagers but all age groups up to those in their 40s, if not older. I could absolutely see that as a huge factor in the election.

[Mariana]

71. They don't care.

And that is the problem, isn't it? The young people are angry and disappointed that TikTok was banned, and instead of commiserating with them, their elders insult and ridicule them. In fact, that is going on in this very thread.

[MotownPgh]

76. Same old story. Politicians listen to

big money first
People who vote second. They don't care about non voters.

[Mariana]

95. Joe Biden wouldn't have won in 2020 without the votes of young people.

The majority of voters over 45 cast their ballots for Trump in 2020, according to the exit polls. When the party depends upon the votes of a particular demographic to win elections, it is extremely foolish to alienate the members of that demographic.

[MotownPgh]

131. But not voting for Biden was what

they wanted to do. I assume they are ok with accepting the trump administration. I'm a dem and wanted to win this election to preserve the constitution but accept that my side lost.

[Mariana]

150. Maybe we should focus on convincing more older people to vote for Democrats

The majority of people 45 and older voted for Trump all three times, according to the exit polls. If that wasn't true, we wouldn't have to depend on the young people's votes to win elections.

[LeftInTX]

99. It was banned for national security reasons.

It wasn't about profits etc. It wasn't about what young people wanted. It was about Chinese spying.

[JoseBalow]

80. I love it

I can live with being inconvenienced into using a VPN to access it if it's banned in the U.S. But I will be saddened if I lose some valued content creators who can't, and that's unfortunately likely to happen with a ban.

Most people here who are critical of TikTok content have clearly never used it. At least not effectively. It's simple to control the content and quality of your algorithm, if you make the simple effort do so. People who complain about seeing content they don't like or want, either can't or won't learn how to control it. I've tried to explain it in past threads, and it landed on the deaf ears of people who just want to argue or complain, so I gave up trying.

That said, TikTok is not anywhere near the top of my list of relevant election issues. Then again, I don't use it socially, nor is my account monetized. That might change how others view the ban.

[Polybius]

100. Yup

As witnessed in this thread, many can't even spell it.

[littlemissmartypants]

130. Snort.

[Blue_Tires]

107. With everything else going on in the world

TikTok is a really weird hill to die on... 🤔

There will always be other social media platforms for everyday people to feel important on... Just like Vines, an alternative will present itself soon.

[womanofthehills]

115. If you are in the TicToc community- it is a big part of your life

Many have a higher quality of life because of TicToc money.

Thousands of severely handicapped kids are TicToc influencers.

[Blue_Tires]

123. What about YouTube?

[Ocelot II]

5. The law banning TikTok was passed by significant majorities in both houses

and upheld by the Supreme Court. Biden can't undo it.

[AmandaRuth]

8. admittedly I am ignorant in this stuff

but can he issue a presidential order, or something like that?

[Ocelot II]

18. Nope.

[Shrek]

39. He himself signed it into law

Why would he undo it, even if he could?

[malaise]

23. Of politicians not young viters

That is all

[Polybius]

101. He signed the ban into into law, so he'll likely get the most blame (fair or not)

I can't see him changing his mind now anyway.

[Takket]

9. drumpf is going to sell it to whoever offers him the largest bribe. there will not be a ban

or if there is a ban, it will only be for a short period of time

[Deuxcents]

21. I think you're right.

[Blue Full Moon]

31. Already in the works, don't remember the name.

[womanofthehills]

66. Trump can't sell it if it's not for sale

The company will not sell because it makes so much money- money that increases each month. Rich Americans want to get their hands on TicToc - it will increase their incomes to unbelievable amts.

[dpibel]

10. So who was pushing the bill?

https://apnews.com/article/tiktok-ban-congress-bill-1c48466df82f3684bd6eb21e61ebcb8dBy HALELUYA HADERO
Updated 7:47 PM PST, April 23, 2024]

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Senate passed legislation Tuesday that would force TikTok’s China-based parent company to sell the social media platform under the threat of a ban, a contentious move by U.S. lawmakers that’s expected to face legal challenges and disrupt the lives of content creators who rely on the short-form video app for income.

The TikTok legislation was included as part of a larger $95 billion package that provides foreign aid to Ukraine and Israel and was passed 79-18. It now goes to President Joe Biden, who said in a statement immediately after passage that he will sign it Wednesday.

A decision made by House Republicans last week to attach the TikTok bill to the high-priority package helped expedite its passage in Congress and came after negotiations with the Senate, where an earlier version of the bill had stalled. That version had given TikTok’s parent company, ByteDance, six months to divest its stakes in the platform. But it drew skepticism from some key lawmakers concerned it was too short of a window for a complex deal that could be worth tens of billions of dollars.

[AmandaRuth]

14. thanks, i will pass this along..

[JustAnotherGen]

12. No worries

The Felon will turn it back on on Monday afternoon - and he'll be their hero.

Also - tell them good luck getting care if a pregnancy goes wrong in ten years.

[AmandaRuth]

15. oh, they get that

they understand that the 3 involved in right to life, only 2 really have the right to life.

[RandomNumbers]

25. They get it and don't care?

Or agree that it should be that way?

I'm trying to process that they would think a f*cking social media site - out of the insanely huge amount of drivel "content" available to bored eyes today - is more important THAN WHETHER WOMEN LIVE OR DIE?

(if they think "both sides" are responsible for the sad state of women's right to life - they are truly uninformed or idiots. Maybe from spending too much time ingesting social media drivel?)

Okay I'm getting away from keyboard for awhile. I can always trust reading DU to raise my blood pressure.

[AmandaRuth]

29. they care very much, just vocal about a service where these issues are actually talked about

may be going away. (i know i am digging myself in deeper here, but i don't think many politicians understand the role of social media in young peoples lives. None of my daughters friends, in their 30's even own a tv. Social media to them is a real living breathing thing, with it's own set of rules and interaction styles. I am 67, and I don't get it either)

[RandomNumbers]

68. They do realize there are other sites and forums where they can talk about these things, right?

If not, why not? Too busy writing off anything "boomers" might try to tell them about?

Yeah I know. I was young once too. But did they actually talk about the issue of foreign governments collecting data on US citizens, perhaps? Did they have ANY clue about WHY this ban is happening?

I still don't get how a restriction on a social media site could piss them off so much that they decide to let F*cking Trump become President again. (you said they didn't vote in the election. That means they didn't give a shit if TSF won.) WTAF. Well, they have a lot more years to live with the results of their lack of caring than you or I do. I hope they come to appreciate it over time.

[vanlassie]

92. What do you think "the loss of data" means to an 18-20 something?

This is the world they already live in. Data breaches have been a common occurrence as long as they have owned phones. Meh.

[vanlassie]

122. Perspective?

This is the world they already live in. Data breaches have been a common occurrence as long as they have owned phones. Meh.

[RandomNumbers]

146. I must have a higher opinion of their average intelligence.

It is NOT about them losing their individual data.

Even if it were - they need to wake the f* up if they aren't already knowledgeable about how to protect themselves from commerce-oriented hacks. But manipulation by a state entity like China is a completely different matter.

And question - do they think run-of-the-mill data breaches don't matter? If they think those DO matter (yes, data breaches matter) which party do they think is more likely to favor laws that protect them from these bad actors?

[vanlassie]

148. That's some heavy thinking for the average

American young person these days.

[Mariana]

69. The loss of Roe vs. Wade is not their fault.

Their elders are responsible for that.

[spooky3]

102. The GOP majority on the SCOTUS is responsible for that. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

104. I'm not

I voted HRC in 2016. OP states in another post these women are in their 30's.

At 36 - I wrote Robert Reich and said if there was a March in favor of the ACA I would drag myself out to it. I had been recently diagnosed with Ankylosing Spondylitis - had excellent health insurance - but could barely hold my head up, had to hold my toothbrush with both hands. He wrote me back.

These are NOT 17 year olds - they are 30-something grown ass.
women.

This "their elders" is why I'm on break. I'm Gen X - born in the 70's.
I'm the 92%. I. Didn't. Do. This. Its my turn to stand around helpless and watch UT burn. I wasted 8 fucking years of my life on Democracy.

How did these women vote (GROWN women) vote at that times in their 20's vote in 2016? DID they vote?

Regardless - watch this little circle of precious, innocent, 30-Somethings cheer for The Felon on Tuesday when it gets turned back on. Will they swoon and fawn over their hero?

[Mariana]

128. The majority of voters over 45 cast their ballots for Trump in 2016

according to the exit polls. Most of the younger people voted for Clinton.

[JustAnotherGen]

132. Look at Black Women

We didn't in 2016, 2020, or 2024.

This circle of hell was delivered to them by white women who overwhelmingly vote White Supremacist Adjacent.

It. Is. Not. My. Fault.

Black women 18 to 118 vote for Democracy, Truth, Good, Science and Sanity.

I've voted in every election I could since I was 18.

Its not my fault my Gen X peers' had poor home training.

These 'precious innocent ones "? They are on their own. Join one of the 4 black churches in NJ I've offered help to, the Synagogue in my town, or my UU Church.

Everyone else not in my family? You are on your own.

And sadly - families will be torn apart this week - and these nitwits will be focused on the rims spinning on Tik Tok (Chris Rock reference).

Whatever happens to them? Self-inflicted wound. Boo hoo.

[LeftInTX]

158. I noticed the OP mentioned Obama and Bernie. No mention of Hillary!

[JustAnotherGen]

168. I noticed that too

Sanders always reverts to being Independent after he loses the Primary.

[LeftInTX]

156. So you're blaming us old people for loss of Roe vs Wade?

How about I blame Trump's popularity on the young people who are his followers on TikTok?
Obviously he's more popular on TikTok than Kamala is!

It must be TikTok then, and because of that.......

[Mariana]

160. The majority of voters over 45 cast their ballots for Trump in 2016.

And Trump appointed the Justices who overturned Roe vs. Wade.

[LeftInTX]

161. Why is Trump more popular on TikTok than Harris?

It shows that TikTok was more popular among Trump supporters than Harris supporters.

[womanofthehills]

118. Look at this !!!!!! - on the App now -

Dems should have gotten on top of this. This will be seen by 170 million young Americans.

“Sorry TicToc isn’t available right now”

“We are fortunate that President Trump has indicated the he will work with us on a solution to reinstate TicToc once he takes office. please stay tuned”

[JustAnotherGen]

119. It was

Stochastic terrorism all along.

[Voltaire2]

13. Yup totally misguided paternalistic xenophobic bullshit.

[MineralMan]

16. Uh, it's too late for Joe Biden to do anything.

Why were you waiting?

[no_hypocrisy]

17. So TikTok was more important than

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the unhindered and legal rights to abortion, D&C ’s, and birth control.

Beyond pathetic.

[womanofthehills]

70. According to latest YouGov poll Gaza beat other reasons

Of why Dems stayed home and didn’t vote. . The genocide got 29% of the reasons millions of Dems stayed home -more than every thing else. Kids were protesting about the war every weekend and many Dems took the young votes for granted. The young watched a genocide in real time on social media including TicToc. They are so upset over TicToc - they are joining RedNotes in China by the tens of thousands. RedNote is all in Mandarin so the kids are learning the language to communicate with Chinese kids. RedNote is trending as the largest apt downloaded from the Apple Store this week.

Link to tweet

?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

[kacekwl]

20. I know I am old but

other gluing your face to your phone 24/7 posting pictures of your every move and doing stupid things online to impress others who have nothing more important to do and earn clicks ??? what is the benefit of tic toc ?

[Mariana]

127. People earned money putting their content on TikTok.

Do you really not know that? Lots of people were earning enough to make a living.

[kacekwl]

139. I figured

people made money but I've never visited or watched except for the ones I see of people doing dumb shit. From what I've seen it's a bunch of fat lipped slutty dressed women and teen bro boys acting like primate packs.

[Mariana]

141. There's stupid content on every platform.

Exhibit A: cable TV. If you turn it on to a random channel, are you likely to see anything that's worth your time? The vast majority of it is crap. You have to put in the effort to find the channels and the programs that interest you.

[yaesu]

22. Stupidity is generational. nt

[ThePartyThatListens]

24. If you don't, or can't, understand that

Banning Tik Tok is akin to attacking free speech, then I don't know what to tell you.

[delisen]

32. China is opposed to free speech.

The current owners have no choice but to report to China. Elon Musk does major business in China. If he buys Tik Tok he too will report to the China government.

We can have freedom and free speech or we can have authoritarianism. We cannot have both.

Meta has to go too.

[Beartracks]

38. Is it really a free speech issue?

The government would not be banning speech, but only a risky technology platform where you might choose to post that speech. You can still post your thoughts and creative output in many, many other places and ways.

===============

[uponit7771]

62. This is false but whatever message China has amplified should've been countered

[Nixie]

78. It's exactly this and the perception that American billionaires are

manipulating for this ban because TikTok is too much competition for Meta/Instagram and X/Twitter. Elon and Zuckerberg stand to gain by having the TikTokers flock back to their apps.

Perception is reality, as they say. I was listening to one very angry young man who said he posted his music and got traction in his music career when a record label wouldn’t bother with him. His day job is a welder and he’s pissed people are telling him to get a real job since he has one. He just likes social media.

[LeftInTX]

83. You can make money on YouTube, it is harder than TikTok

TikTok was real easy. Almost too easy. But if he's good, he should be able to make money on YouTube. That is where some of TikTok's talents are heading.

I don't know about IG or FB etc......

[hedda_foil]

26. And now I know why the head of TikTok will be in the front row at the inauguration.

He's been personally invited. And orangezilla will announce himself as TikTok's savior by Tuesday or I miss my guess.

[AmandaRuth]

33. that is indeed interesting

didn't know that, and I think you are right

[hedda_foil]

56. I'm afraid so. I just came across this piece, which adds support to my supposition.

Trump Elbows Aside Supreme Court’s TikTok Ruling: ‘I Decide’

Donald Trump has sidelined the Supreme Court to take full power of TikTok’s future stateside.

He bragged to CNN—shortly after the nation’s high court ruled in favor of upholding a ban—that TikTok’s future in the U.S. was now solely his to make and take credit for.

“It ultimately goes up to me,” Trump said, “so you’re going to see what I’m going to do.”

We won’t have to wait long to find out what Trump has up his sleeve. The ban is set to go into effect on Sunday, just a day before his inauguration, which will include TikTok CEO Shou Chew sitting on the dais.

--more -- https://www.thedailybeast.com/supreme-court-dashes-tiktok-users-hopes-with-ruling-on-ban/

[Silent Type]

27. Sounds like trump is seriously considering a 90-day delay of ban. If people are stuck on TTock, trump will gain points

That's too bad. Guess trump decided he didn't want to be blamed.

[LuvLoogie]

90. Nobody using TikTok cares about who saves it.

Banning it was the stupid move. A lot of people on DU still don't get that the Dems got duped and left holding the bag with this ban.

And a lot of pols were bare-assed exposed as footmen.

[Silent Type]

91. My bet is Trump didn't want every TT teenager pissed at him. So now he can blame it on Biden,

and if he manages to preserve TT, he wins, or at least avoids any blame. He’ll blame everything on Biden and Democrats anyway, but with this one he can say he tried to do something.

Agree the ban was ignorant. What gets me is that Biden could have passed the buck to trump by a short delay. We walked right into another one.

[LuvLoogie]

94. The ban serves the oligarchs

And the architects of the American Exceptionalism trope.

They are politically short-sighted, but not ignorant. They just didn't think TikTok users were smart enough to see through it all.

They are trying to preserve the traditional power structures. Democracy is not a requirement.

[Blue Full Moon]

34. Mark Cuban has been mentioning

Having a TicToc based on Bluesky. It really has nothing to do with China. But I will say that they use their version for education instead of the mostly garbage on the American site. If they were that concerned the Chinese television programs would be way more indoctrinating. I like some of the shows. Usually myth, love triangles. They do something that should be done here. They write and film the entire seasons from the beginning and they actually end.

[delisen]

36. Sorry for their addiction and ignorance.

Some people will learn, some will not learn until the wolf is at their own apartment door.

I am grateful for David Hogg and all his young but wise compatriots.

[Alliepoo]

79. I'd bet you that David Hogg

And his wise and young compatriots are also on TikTok. It would be very much to their advantage to be active on that site to reach millions of young people. Kids exchange a lot of information and ideas there. It shouldn’t be discounted.

[delisen]

97. David Hogg addressed Tik Tok as a national security threat three years ago.

Hogg is I think unlikely to be troubled by a shutdown. He knows and has spoken openly about its dangers.

Another venue would take its place. There will be any number of venues eager to sign up its subscribers.

I look in on Tik Tok myself. . When and if it goes down, I will look in on its replacement(s) Hopefully they will be more respectful of privacy and less adversarial to democracy.

[JustAnotherGen]

134. David Hogg is no kid

He's a college graduate and in his early 20's. By his age my dad had done a tour in Korea and one in Vietnam. He's a grown man.

[spanone]

37. Trump Signs Executive Order That Will Effectively Ban Use Of TikTok In the U.S.

AUGUST 6, 2020 11:21 PM ET

Updated 10:55 a.m. ET Friday

President Trump on Thursday invoked his emergency economic powers to impose broad sanctions against TikTok, a move that steps up pressure on the Chinese-owned app to sell its U.S. assets to an American company.

In the order, which takes effect in 45 days, any transactions between TikTok's parent company, ByteDance, and U.S. citizens will be outlawed for national security reasons.

In practice, experts told NPR the order likely will mean the viral video service could no longer receive advertising from American companies and the app could be removed from Apple and Google's app stores.

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/06/900019185/trump-signs-executive-order-that-will-effectively-ban-use-of-tiktok-in-the-u-s

[Think. Again.]

40. I wouldn't take the concerns of...

...people who put a random social media entertainment app above the lack of women's (or anyone's) healthcare, and above affordable education, and above affordable housing, and above affordable nutrition, and above a healthy, livable environment, etc, too seriously.

[Kaleva]

49. Agree

[mgardener]

44. Wait

Till they are iving in the equivalent of Nazi Germany. Tic toc won't seem importaht
They will be sorry.

I have no sympathy for them

[milestogo]

45. Well that is just immaturity.

[Kaleva]

48. About 46% of young people voted for Trump

[LeftInTX]

50. "I want my MTV"

Trump has reversed his position on the popular app, having tried to ban it during his first term in office over national security concerns. He joined TikTok during his 2024 presidential campaign and his team used it to connect with younger voters, especially male voters, by pushing content that was often macho and aimed at going viral. He pledged to “save TikTok” during the campaign and has credited the platform with helping him win more youth votes.

https://www.wymt.com/2025/01/16/trump-is-considering-plan-save-tiktok-his-adviser-says/

Trump is giving TikTok credit for his win. So I kinda don't think that's why we lost.....There was no TikTok ban during the election and young people were on it following Trump.

[J_William_Ryan]

52. "...the tiktok ban."

Whatever a voter’s issue with Democrats, it doesn’t excuse or justify staying home and not voting allowing the likes of Trump to return to the WH.

[Vinca]

54. I remember when the Internet came along everyone said it would make people smarter.

Everyone was wrong. There are many more things in life more important than TikTok. If a young woman suddenly finds herself pregnant and wants a termination, she might become a forced mother under Trump. Her granny in the nursing home might have to leave if Medicaid doesn't pick up the tab. Poor kids might not get fed. US citizens might find themselves scooped up in the deportation raid. Anything can happen. Isn't there an American bright enough to create a similar site for people?

[Mariana]

96. "...she might become a forced mother under Trump."

That is already happening. Electing Biden didn't stop it.

[JustAnotherGen]

135. Not in NJ

We were smart and have a trifecta. The Felon is setting up the perfect storm to keep it in 2025.

I'm also of the mindset and have shared with two Democratic Gubernatorial candidates -

That we should outlaw Abortion Tourism. IE - I live 10 minutes from the PA border. They voted for The Felon.

At the state level they are on the verge of losing abortion/high risk state.

If it falls? Too bad so sad. Stay on your side of the river.

We have to protect my niece, two niece in laws, and 5 greats from losing it over an interstate commerce issue.

Mine before thine. You vote Magat for state politicians - you pay.

[Mariana]

149. Not where I live either.

The problem with your idea of doing away with abortion tourism is that in many cases, the individuals who need abortions are in no way responsible for their states' governments. Most young women vote for Democrats, and some couldn't vote at all, because they're too young or are not citizens.

[JustAnotherGen]

169. Too bad

I'm a Democratic Committee member in NJ - as well as an elected official.

Young white women in Bucks County PA voted overwhelmingly for The Felon.

They have to be made to suffer.

I have the ears of the candidates, time gotv, money, band fundraisers thrown. They don't.

Its called CRUELTY.

And this lack if cruelty to the other is why we lose.

[Mariana]

177. "Young white women in Bucks County PA voted overwhelmingly for The Felon."

Trump didn't even get 50% of the vote in Bucks County PA, so it is very hard to believe that "young white women in Bucks County PA voted overwhelmingly for The Felon." Please provide some evidence for this claim.

https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/general/countyresults?countyName=BUCKS

[JustAnotherGen]

179. Yep

I.also drove down 202 2/3 times a week and saw for my self.

https://www.phillyburbs.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/07/bucks-county-trump-flipped-precints-harris-underperformed-biden-2020-pa-swing-state-win-2024/76096054007/

While Harris was able to claim victory in 20 municipalities across Bucks County, Trump ultimately walked away from this race with 34 in his corner.

Harris was also unable to flip any precincts that previously went to Trump in 2020, while Trump on Tuesday was able to flip about 45 precincts that he lost four years ago

.

Anything else Miss Pity Pa - I mean Marian.


You seem to have an issue with a strong Black Woman dismissing the Dominant Culture and their daughters. You should ask yourself -

What is going on with the 92%. Why is the base suspicious of us and our intent right now. Why the side eye? Why are they snickering about the loss of DEI?

That's okay - I know you only have time to Molly coddle 33 year old white women still breast feeding at their mama's tit. You keep doing what your doing. There's no wet nurses anymore.

[Vinca]

163. But electing Kamala might have. That was her issue.

[live love laugh]

57. I've seen multiple posts today targeting Biden re TikTok.

What do you expect from a man who has less than 48 hours left in his term?

BOTH parties voted for the ban. Did you tell them that? Did you tell them a Republican representative introduced the bill and then bet on a competitive replacement the day after?

Why target Biden?

Make it make sense because seeing this repetitious misinformation is suspicious.

[Aussie105]

58. A random flurry of thoughts:

1. I grew up in a town and time where there was no Ticky-Tocky, no social media, no TV, no computers, no cell phones.
It was the olden days, and oh my, you could think clearly and decide what was important, and focus on that!
(If you are wondering, it was education and getting a good job.)

The current 'fluff' in peoples' lives is just a distraction from what is important and what they should focus on.
Tik Tok? Brain static!

2. Voting is voluntary? Don't bother thinking beyond some annoyance that makes you sulk and stay home instead?
Yes, I guess when sky diving and jumping out of an aeroplane, pulling that ripcord - yep, that is voluntary too. Entirely your choice!

3. I'm going away now . . .

[chowder66]

60. Maybe worrying about a dictator/oligarch rapist and a cabinet of dangerous creeps should be a higher priority.

[Arazi]

61. Does she know TikTok is banned in China?

And the CCP would NEVER allow any American-owned company like TikTok which gathers data on their citizens to operate in China. We allow them to, they will not allow us to. There is a NatSec reason for that.

The company is a huge data mine with little content control that China accesses without any restrictions. All Bytedance had to do was sell it to a non-Chinese owner. They had a year to do it and never made any attempt. There is a NatSec reason for that too.

I like TikTok but won’t cry if it disappears just like losing thousands of followers and a real community on X didn’t crush me either.

Its more frustrating that anyone would lose their shit over this or that platform (and especially that platform tbh) when actual human rights like reproductive rights get a “meh”

[B.See]

67. If this kind rw pablum is what

young people are saying, it only demonstrates the level of bullshit MAGA America has successfully perpetrated upon the populace in general.

Because besides the fact that Republicans actively worked to
suppress the voting rights of young people,

the tiktok ban is a BIPARTISAN initiative, originally endorsed and embraced by Trump, and unanimously supported by a conservative majority SCOTUS.

But somehow it's Biden's fault (like damn near everything else).

Ignorance is bliss.

[JI7]

84. I think it shows that people aren't as concerned about certain important issues

as some like to claim and attack democrats over.

[W_HAMILTON]

72. Healthcare plz.

And remember when climate change was an existential crisis that mattered?

Now it's all BUT MUH TIKTOK.

[iemanja]

75. Biden has already announced that he won't enforce it.

It’s up to Trump now.

[JI7]

82. Whatever happened to the demand for student loan forgiveness

I remember that being THE issue . It's amazing how easily we just move on.

[alarimer]

85. Social media is fucking evil.

China is also fucking evil. But so is Musk and X and Zuck/Meta.

Why are young people (why are any of us) so okay with various evil entities harvesting our data? We absolutely need data privacy rights in this country.

[ananda]

98. That says more about young people's critical thinking skills...

and desire to survive than anything else, imho.

It's a trap a lot of people fall into on both sides.

They hold Dems to a standard of perfection that
doesn't exist.

So that means you have to think and analyze in
order to weigh the evils against the goods on both
sides.

You can tell that a lot of people are going to suffer
deeply and/or die at the hands of Republicans, as
opposed to some inconveniences or annoyances.

Oh well.

[CousinIT]

105. "came to the party for Obama and Bernie, and did not vote the last election."

Well that’s par for the course, isn’t it? It’s How we got here.

I have zero sympathy for people who just don’t vote.

[DemocracyWorks]

106. Politics is becoming more toxic

people are tuning out the news and going to social media and the bad guys are exploiting people's fears for profit, we are dealing with a radicalized voting population.

[DBoon]

108. something like the European General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) would be ideal

Your privacy would be protected regardless of which nation station had authority over the company.

As it stands, it is OK for Facebook to sell their data to Cambridge Analytica without you permission, but somehow a Chinese company doing the same is impermissible,.

[Sparkly]

110. Make sure they blame Democrats for everything Trumpist.

Put the whole heap on Democrats -- gas prices, housing costs, wars other people are waging, and the price of eggs!

"Obama" and "Bernie," but not Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris = what?? PULEEZE.

[Wiz Imp]

113. TRUMP banned Tik-Tok in 2020 via an executive order. It was never implemented due to a court injunction

and then Biden issued an executive order in 2021 revoking the ban.

Biden never called for banning Tik-Tok (like Trump did in 2020). It was mostly Republicans in the house who screamed about it. In April of last year when Congress took up the bill, Biden didn't push for it but said he would sign it if it passed. In the House, the final vote was 352 supporting the ban to 65 voting no. Only 15 Republicans voted no compared to 197 voting yes. Democrats were far more split, though a solid majority of Dems voted for the ban (155 yes, 50 no). Biden subsequently signed it as he said he would.

The ultimate point behind all of this is if someone is going to be mad at a political party over banning Tik-Tok - the party they should be mad at is the Republicans. It was Trump who initially banned it without any Congressional approval and Biden reinstated it. When Congress got around to passing a legislative ban, it was Republicans who voted overwhelmingly for the ban, much more so than Democrats (93% of Republicans voted for the ban vs only 76% of Democrats).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_controversy

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202486

[JoseBalow]

114. It just went dark

For now

[applegrove]

120. And tik tok ceo is in cahoots with Trump and stopped

TikTok token tonight with a message he can work with Trump in a few days.

[Bread and Circuses]

121. Here's some hard truth for the non-voting young adults

You made your choice to be lazy and entitled.
Soon, you may find yourself on “Survivor-Fascism Edition” where you will pick vegetables in the blazing heat because your Democratic parents threw you out and there’s no good paying jobs because the unions were smashed.

Consequences.

[RedWhiteBlueIsRacist]

124. Never would have guessed that democracy would rise or fall over freakin' TikTok.

And I was thinking it was just over the price of eggs.

[betsuni]

125. "Alienated," are we? Taught mean old establishment Daddy Biden a lesson by not voting, did we?

Oh, there'll be lots to tell the therapist! This will be forgotten soon enough, like student loan debt, Gaza, to be replaced by the next attack on Democrats.

[JustAnotherGen]

133. Yep

Self-inflicted wounds tend to fester and boil.

[tirebiter]

126. Biden lateraled it to Trump

?si=Qa96fVlLwo46TIjk

[delisen]

129. I think it best if easily alienated do not vote. We do not need more Jill Stein voters

I reach out to a different group of potential new voters.

[hatrack]

137. World on fire, and they're worried about a social media app on their phones . . .

Sorry to get all "judgemental" here, and no reflection on you, but your daughter and her friends really seriously need to PULL THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR COLLECTIVE ASSES.

Tik-Tok. Jesus Christ.

[themaguffin]

138. It should have been banned years ago.

[LeftInTX]

151. Did your daughter vote for Hillary or just Bernie and Obama?

I'm seeing a pattern here.

Heck I think TikTok is one of the reasons that young people didn't vote. And not because of a threatened ban, but because there were numerous videos telling young people that all the candidates were bad or to vote for Jill Stein.

During the election it was Gaza and now 2.5 months later, it's TikTok...hmmm.....

Keep in mind that TikTok was one the main sources of "Genocide Joe" videos.

When they were doing an election "autopsy" shortly after Nov 5th, the TikTok ban was not even discussed as the cause. Polls did not point to TikTok being a hot issue.

All of a sudden 2.5 months later the TikTok ban is why Harris lost?

And who is more popular on TikTok? Harris or Trump?





The algorithms in TikTok steered people towards anti-Biden videos.

[betsuni]

159. "All of a sudden 2.5 months later the TikTok ban is why Harris lost"? Yes, it's BS.

[totodeinhere]

152. Don't your daughter and her friends understand that Tiktok is a tool of the Cummunist Chinese?

And it is a threat to United States security? If not maybe you should try to educate them?

[Jack Valentino]

153. AGREED. I always thought the ban was A- Unnecessary and B- STUPID !!!!

And that was when I still underestimated the damage it could do to Democrats politically.

[GoCubsGo]

164. Maybe in the time away from rotting their brains,

they can go learn some civics, and how laws work.

[travelingthrulife]

175. And what fascism is.

[Emile]

165. Her friends have been conned. Send her this

August 6, 2020

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/06/900019185/trump-signs-executive-order-that-will-effectively-ban-use-of-tiktok-in-the-u-s

[akbacchus_BC]

167. What do you expect President Biden to do? The youngsters will learn soon enough that tiktok

is just a phase. Another platform will surface and then what!

[nini]

170. Maybe it'd help if they pulled their heads out of their butts and grow up

They act so entitled yet don’t do their homework to find the truth, learn history, learn about why voting even if you don’t get everything you want with a candidate/party. I don’t blame them for being disillusioned but they sure as hell better figure out skipping elections as a protest is the worst thing you can do.

I’d say they deserve what’s coming, but unfortunately the rest us and the world will suffer too.

It’s time they stop blaming older generations and look in a mirror now.

[Mariana]

178. The majority of voters over 45 voted for Trump.

Speaking of people who need to pull their heads out of their butts and grow up.

[nini]

180. Does that change my point

They didn’t like what they saw on tip tok and decided to skip the election. They said don’t claim to be the generation who will save the world then skip taking action.

The older farts can kiss my butt too.

I

[LexVegas]

171. ....

[travelingthrulife]

172. This just highlights how utterly ridiculous people can be when they are single issue drones.