For those pundits, speculators, and circular firing squad Democrats who think blaming Biden for what happened on

[JohnSJ]

November 5 is helpful, IT'S NOT.

For those arguing that because Biden didn't drop out earlier, and that VP Harris was too aligned to the Biden administration is why we lost, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest it would have changed anything, even if we had a different candidate than VP Harris.

Labor split the vote between Harris and the sociopath.
Latinos split the vote between Harris and the sociopath. Women did NOT come out in the numbers needed.

The anti-Israeli protesters would NOT have voted for the Democratic candidate regardless, because there would not have been any Democratic candidate who would have won the nomination who would have advocated stopping military aid to Israel after October 7.

The differences between the two candidates could not have been clearer.

I don't think any candidate we presented would have done any better than VP Harris.

A large part of the problem is the MSM along with the impact of misinformation propagated through social media platforms.

After Biden's dismal debate performance, the MSM completely demolished him for weeks, while the rambling incoherence of trump's so-called news conferences, went completely unchallenged. A similar double standard happened during the 2016 election against Hillary.

Why is the bar always set for Democrats at such a high standard, while there is no standard for republicans?

The reality is that unless Democrats stick together in voting, republicans will always hold the advantage.

Democrats are such a diversified party, that will always run the risk of division within the party, and many times result with some refusing to vote.

[elleng]

1. 'A large part of the problem is the MSM along with the impact of misinformation propagated through social media platform

[DemocracyWorks]

2. Also VP Harris would have been the nominee if she started a year ago

People who said that there was going to be alternative who would win is deluding themselves. Looking at the 2024 electorate Dems faced a lot of head winds. We even lost ground in blue states such as New Jersey and California. Trump also has a right wing alternative media which can magnify negatives for the Dem Presidential candidate no matter who it was. Maybe Trump was unique and Republicans won’t have that advantage going into 2028 but this problem is not going to go away for Dems unless we know how to deal with it.

[JustAnotherGen]

3. There is video

From some rally tonight where he says "we rigged it" (the election). Rambling on about the Olympics and World Cup.

[flamingdem]

7. So this is why Musk has full reign

It was more than 260 million

[JustAnotherGen]

28. I believe so

I know this idea has been pushed down at DU -

Something something "we are better than that" and something something "conspiracy theory". . .

But I don't believe The Felon won fair and square. The Felon ADMITTED yesterday evening.

They cheated. I'll be 52 next month and don't expect it will be aired out in my lifetime. But I'm putting it in my journal for my descendants.

[sheshe2]

10. Yup. I saw that.

[JustAnotherGen]

30. So can this be a topic of discussion now?

They rigged it. Cheaters

[BOSSHOG]

4. And trumps cryptic revelation today about

Musk and the Pennsylvania voting machines lends credence to your argument My Friend

Thank You for making them.

There is no argument a Republican could make to have me vote for them. Why? I have a fondness for liberty and Justice for all. I spent 30 years supporting and defending. Our country can not prosper being led by those who don’t know how to lead, govern or manage money.

THEY voted for a serial lying morally degenerate convicted felon and con man. Do I need to go on? Oh yeah, he’s a rapist.

[flamingdem]

8. Trump is the type who does his dirty business in public

He's too dumb to keep track of what is okay and what isn't when schmoozing.

Not that this weakness will help us..

[emulatorloo]

5. Trump only won by 1.5% from what I'm seeing. Big man-date lol. Fuck these bad faith pundits, who have lied about and

smeared Biden all through his very strong progressive accomplishments during his term. Including a soft-landing of the economy after Trump’s mishandling of COVID and rising debt from Trump’s millionaire/billionaire tax cuts.

[Elessar Zappa]

6. I think what killed us was mainly inflation and sexism, in that order.

Occam’s Razor applies here. I just wish Trump would’ve dropped dead before the election.

[JustAnotherGen]

31. Racism

There is a white lash going on. They can't even define *woke* - but it's there. They say some or DEI - I hear the n-bomb.

[Keepthesoulalive]

9. There were some democrats that wanted to be king makers

They were not concerned about the party or the country only their overblown egos. When vice president Harris was defeated they were the first to go on any channel that would have them ,so they could tell everyone how bad the message was or it wasn’t clear or it was too elite. Beware the opportunists.

[JohnSJ]

25. Without a doubt.

[speak easy]

11. Alternative history is bunk.

Why keep posting this?

[Jack Valentino]

12. "Why is the bar always set for Democrats at such a high standard, while there is no standard for republicans?"

Because 'the media' is OWNED by Republicans....

Even the so-called 'liberal mainstream media' is owned by Republicans,
and have to do their bidding or they get fired.

[wnylib]

23. True. MSM are corporate conglomerates.

They oppose liberal economics and support oligarchs.

[JustAnotherGen]

32. There's no Republican Party anymore

They can get elected with an R by their name - but they are Maga.

Revolutionary Syndicalism is how it started in Italy. The Republican Fascist Party is how it ended.

I won't be alive when it ends - but I hope the Republican Party "name" is ground out of existence.

[Martin Eden]

13. Disinformation and MSM complicity were the biggest factors

But I think we would have had a better chance if Joe decided not to run for a 2nd term and had an open primary instead.

[Keepthesoulalive]

14. The media would have done the same to any democratic candidate

If we don’t find different ways to get our message out it will be hard for us to win. Our message is fine but there is a billionaire blockade. They get off on power and control ,they see us as insignificant servants.

[JustAnotherGen]

29. Cruelty

Cruelty works. But we have waaaay too many softies in our party to go balls or ovaries to the walls.

There are forces in the Democratic Party who think kindness matters.


I'm going to be very quiet the next few years at DU. My tribe is at threads - and we are going to enjoy watching the leopards eat the faces of the others.

[Orrex]

20. Let's not start that delusion again. Sanders would have been destroyed in 2016.

[Orrex]

16. The problem is that the Apartheid dweeb spent a quarter billion to throw the election to Trump

The problem is that half of our country is a KKKult of ignorant racist fuckheads (or is willing to go all-in with the KKKult of ignorant racist fuckheads).

The problem is that the media attacked Biden relentlessly for his age, but when he dropped out and the doddering orange prolapse was the old man in the race, age suddenly wasn't a problem.

The problem is that a significant portion of the electorate was willing to fuck the world based on the dubious fantasy that "Harris supports genocide," withholding their vote in a masturbatory vanity stunt to the detriment of us all.

Biden was not the problem, and the media's current smear campaign is a transparent effort to curry favor with the fascist-elect.

[JustAnotherGen]

33. All of this

I hope people search for alternatives US Legacy media. They do not serve the American people who thirst for knowledge. They serve the plutocrats..

I'd bet no one in Legacy media is highlighting the Felons "we rigged it" statement last night.

[GoreWon2000]

17. Throwing Al Gore and we the voters under the bus in 2000

is how we got here. Too many on the dem side who could've done more to counter the Bush brothers/Rehnquist 5 assault on democracy in Florida hid in their cushy, ivory towers while our votes were illegally thrown out. W created tRump's election stealing road ma , tanked the economy that caused the layoffs of so many white, working class men and turned millions of Americans against democracy by throwing out our votes.

[oldmanlynn]

18. Send that to the mainstream media and get them to answer the question

I’ll give it a shot at least

[Klarkashton]

19. Trump spent 4 years flinging shit at Biden and the economy.

It was an economy that was wrecked by trump.

Stupid people bought into Trump's relentless shit
That's all there is to it.

[calcin]

21. Spot On!

Agree 100%

[William769]

22. We fucked up by showing President Biden the door.

Yes he had a bad debate for which he would have recovered.

All these youngins that wanted change, guess what? You got it! It's name is trump. Hope you all are happy.

Yes I am wearing my flame retardant underwear.

[JustAnotherGen]

34. We aren't supposed

To *alienate* them . Shhhhh

[bob4460]

24. The Democrats lost because they turned their back on traditional democratic values

Like raising the minimum wage and expanding Obamacare, and getting rid of the massive corporate tax breaks, or at least trying to do something about them. They didn't do any correction to the war on drugs, or the criminal justice system. These are basic Democratic values it's a Democrats turned their backs on.

[JustAnotherGen]

35. We just lived through

An entirely different timeline the past 4 years.

Guess what - none of those things are going to happen under the Trifecta of Evil now.

Also - AmeriKKKa will always AmeriKKKa.

[Keepthesoulalive]

36. What republican champions any of the things you mention

Joe tried ,the senate and congress blocked it. All the things you mention are now on the chopping block. Stop blaming democrats for republicans failures.

[Jit423]

26. AND aggrieved Dem just do not play the pragmatic game well. Principle over pragmatism never wins anything.

Can this please be our lesson?

Gore should have fought. 2000
Dems should have voted against Iraq war 2002
Bernie bros should have supported HRC 2016
Obama should have been meaner
Biden should have exited as he promised
Biden should have been primaried.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

[Think. Again.]

27. The divisiveness is coming from within.