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tulipsandroses

(8,247 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 02:35 PM Jan 2025

It was Fascism not Autism - Say it correctly

Last edited Tue Jan 21, 2025, 05:59 PM - Edit history (1)

Some of the best responses I've seen regarding the nazi salute

It was Fascism not Autism - Say it correctly

The problem with nazi salutes in liberal societies is that the optics and positioning of a salute will be dissected for a week on the media instead of what
should be done with a nazi.

Nazis: "that's a nazi salute"
Historians: "that's a nazi salute"
Average person: "that's a nazi salute"
The Media: "Elon Musk makes odd gesture throwing his heart to the
crowd."

If what Elon did wasn't a Nazi salute
then do it tomorrow at work.

The rules, if you are keeping track: If a single left activist anywhere in the world says "defund the police," it becomes the official position of the Democratic Party, now and forever. If the president's top surrogate repeatedly sieg-heils on stage,
it's ambiguous, impossible to interpret.

Pay very close attention to the individuals
constantly making excuses for the Nazis.

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It was Fascism not Autism - Say it correctly (Original Post) tulipsandroses Jan 2025 OP
The media is practicing what I call pre-rationalization. Giving a basis to rationalize before a thing happens. Walleye Jan 2025 #1
I think the ADL osteopath6 Jan 2025 #2
If everything is A-OK, then why did Elmer edit that part out of his video? Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #3
Why did he excoriate racism? osteopath6 Jan 2025 #24
You don't have to whitesplain racism to me, bro Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #28
I don't give grace to Nazis and white supremacists. In the words of the great James Baldwin tulipsandroses Jan 2025 #4
The ADL will give a pass to anyone they think is pro-Israel. Crunchy Frog Jan 2025 #6
Ding ding malaise Jan 2025 #15
the ADL is gaslighting, Greenblatt has taken them into pro Trump territory for some time now Celerity Jan 2025 #8
"Cross-wise gaseous excrement" sounds like gaslighting. 58Sunliner Jan 2025 #9
Their response was weird and wrong. Gore1FL Jan 2025 #14
No chance that was an accident. Johnny2X2X Jan 2025 #16
Remember when they tried to tell us " Stand back and Stand by" didn't mean what we think it did? The Oath Keepers tulipsandroses Jan 2025 #21
Show some grace? ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2025 #27
Congrats, on specifying the current "Rules" so well. Paladin Jan 2025 #5
Probably best to learn to use FPV drones. The Ukrainians seem to find them very effective. Crunchy Frog Jan 2025 #7
Kick and Rec!! 58Sunliner Jan 2025 #10
Elon was definitely walking and quacking like a Nazi Duck. dchill Jan 2025 #11
"Right in Der Fuehrer's face" Hekate Jan 2025 #12
Make up excuses and MAGAs cheer for the nazi salute! MiKenMi33 Jan 2025 #13
Nazi font on his hat that is very specific Johnny2X2X Jan 2025 #17
Oh, woah, ok. Didn't learn that in Typography Class! electric_blue68 Jan 2025 #20
He's done similar things on his Twitter account too. Crunchy Frog Jan 2025 #22
Yeah Johnny2X2X Jan 2025 #23
Remember, many people on the spectrum would NEVER do such a thing sakabatou Jan 2025 #18
Also the Nazis murdered, forcibly sterilized and experimented on autistic people without their consent. meadowlander Jan 2025 #25
"If what Elon did wasn't a Nazi salute then do it tomorrow at work."... electric_blue68 Jan 2025 #19
Great post. nt spooky3 Jan 2025 #26
thank you. I am autistic and I hate it when it's used as a smokescreen for shitty behavior /nt The Wandering Harper Jan 2025 #29
Knr UTUSN Jan 2025 #30
it was fascism. Fuck fascism! Fuck Nazis! Initech Jan 2025 #31
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2025 #32

Walleye

(44,735 posts)
1. The media is practicing what I call pre-rationalization. Giving a basis to rationalize before a thing happens.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 02:37 PM
Jan 2025
 

osteopath6

(195 posts)
2. I think the ADL
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 02:46 PM
Jan 2025

Would know. And they say it wasn't.

Need to show some grace and give people the benefit of the doubt sometimes. If you get worked up over every little thing real and imagined, people stop listening to anything you say and stop taking you seriously.

This is why labeling every word, wince and cross-wise gaseous excrement as impending facism fell so flat on its face. People who know the definitions of those things can see this isn't that.

 

osteopath6

(195 posts)
24. Why did he excoriate racism?
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 10:09 PM
Jan 2025
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/elon-musk-blasts-hateful-racists-after-indians-face-abuse-over-h1b-visa-row-those-contemptible-fools-101735356568215-amp.html

You don't lile how the guy votes. Who he supports. We get it. That doesn't mean he has to be a devil worshipping, child sacrificing satanic minion from hell bent in restoring Hitler.

I think the ADL knows what it's talking about. Sometimes an awkward gesture is just an awkward gesture. He has Asperger's, full stop.

"Those contemptible fools" lamented Musk. Doesn't sound like someone supporting hateful ideology to me. Maybe it's just me, not looking for a problem.

Why is it the only person on the spectrum of Autism is accused of something blatantly divergent from his past (and current) demonstrable beliefs? And the evidence being used to justify laying down such a horrific indictment against a fellow human? A single awkward gesture that doesn't comport with any past statements or behaviors of this type?

Would you want to be slandered with such flimsy "evidence"?
 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
28. You don't have to whitesplain racism to me, bro
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 11:59 PM
Jan 2025
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/03/elon-musk-racist-tweets-science-video/

https://www.disconnect.blog/p/elon-musk-is-a-racist

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/15/tesla-settles-racial-discrimination-lawsuit.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/09/twitter-x-racism-elon-musk/679928/

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/elon-musk-x-twitter-antisemitism-hashtags-trending-hate-rcna151945

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-posts-racist-images-233201899.html

https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/technology/guardian-quits-elon-musk-owned-x-citing-racism-and-conspiracy-theories/article68866452.ece

https://fortune.com/2024/03/18/elon-musk-don-lemon-interview-tesla-race-settlement-discrimination/

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/media/elon-musk-antisemitism-white-people/index.html

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/3/22/2230957/-Elon-s-Racist-Apartheid-Past

https://www.theroot.com/5-times-elon-musk-bumped-up-against-the-racism-line-1851729499

https://www.theroot.com/elon-musks-racism-has-gotten-so-bad-the-white-house-has-1851032398

But before I go, let me say I was on Twitter for a decade and saw how regularly Elmer casually retweeted hateful stereotypes, racist tropes and pure agitprop bullshit from known white supremacist accounts before cutting to the chase and just tweeting that garbage directly... There's a very real reason why Elmo's "Day One" act after his Twitter takeover was to reinstate all the banned conspiracy nutbar and White Power accounts -- Even the openly violent ones.

And I'm only going to say this once -- I'm a black man and I'm on the Autism spectrum... And I'm getting really fucking sick and tired with this trend of supposedly grown-ass men using "autism" as some one-size-fits-all excuse for shitty undisciplined behavior. If Elmo has this little self-awareness and control over his actions, maybe he needs to sit his ass down somewhere and stop seeking the public spotlight...🤨



tulipsandroses

(8,247 posts)
4. I don't give grace to Nazis and white supremacists. In the words of the great James Baldwin
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 02:54 PM
Jan 2025

"To be a Negro in this country and to be relatively conscious is to be in a state of rage almost, almost all of the time — and in one's work. And part of the rage is this: It isn't only what is happening to you. But it's what's happening all around you and all of the time in the face of the most extraordinary and criminal indifference, indifference of most white people in this country, and their ignorance."

Crunchy Frog

(28,275 posts)
6. The ADL will give a pass to anyone they think is pro-Israel.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 03:07 PM
Jan 2025

Even to people who are objectively antisemitic. That's my impression of them anyway.

Celerity

(54,337 posts)
8. the ADL is gaslighting, Greenblatt has taken them into pro Trump territory for some time now
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 03:16 PM
Jan 2025
Jon Greenblatt should read up on Elise before congratulating her.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100219707643


‪Nick Martin‬
@nick-martin.bsky.social‬
8h
*blinks*





Nick Martin‬ ‪
@nick-martin.bsky.social‬
8h
I just don't know sometimes.

‪Nick Martin‬ ‪
@nick-martin.bsky.social‬
8h
But you know what? In this case, I do know.

The CEO of a major anti-hate organization should not be offering congratulations to a politician who has espoused the same ideas that led to mass shootings at a Walmart in El Paso, a neighborhood supermarket in Buffalo, and a synagogue in Pittsburgh.

Nick Martin
‪@nick-martin.bsky.social‬
I've covered too many massacres driven by "great replacement" nonsense. Too many people have been murdered. Too many parents, children and siblings have been lost to this sickness.

I'm nobody, but Jonathan Greenblatt should retract his endorsement of Stefanik. I hope others ask him to do the same.
November 11, 2024 at 11:55 PM


In fact, why congratulate them at all? Is the ADL not aware of all the hate groups affiliated with MAGA?

I've covered too many massacres driven by "great replacement" nonsense. Too many people have been murdered. Too many parents, children and siblings have been lost to this sickness.

I'm nobody, but Jonathan Greenblatt should retract his endorsement of Stefanik. I hope others ask him to do the same.

Nick Martin (@nick-martin.bsky.social) 2024-11-12T04:55:29.710Z

Johnny2X2X

(24,179 posts)
16. No chance that was an accident.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 05:38 PM
Jan 2025

He absolutely meant to give a Nazi salute. That is for sure in my mind. Whether he did it to just rile people up or if he did it because he's an actual Nazi is the remaining question.

Virtually every Nazi and Neo Nazi on the planet though got the message and are thrilled he did it.

tulipsandroses

(8,247 posts)
21. Remember when they tried to tell us " Stand back and Stand by" didn't mean what we think it did? The Oath Keepers
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 05:57 PM
Jan 2025

Proud Boys and other white supremacists knew exactly what he meant.

ForgoTheConsequence

(5,185 posts)
27. Show some grace?
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 10:15 PM
Jan 2025

To a far right supporting, racist, anti-free-speech billionaire who bought the last election? NO FUCKING WAY.

 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
5. Congrats, on specifying the current "Rules" so well.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 03:05 PM
Jan 2025

No way in hell are the mainstream media elites going to protect us from the new fascist regime. The NY Times opinion assholes will still be whining about Democrat mistakes---at the same time that gas chambers are being set up in U.S. military bases. We're going to have to save ourselves, one way or another.

Crunchy Frog

(28,275 posts)
7. Probably best to learn to use FPV drones. The Ukrainians seem to find them very effective.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 03:10 PM
Jan 2025

If they really plan to kill us, we'd best take as many of them with us as possible.

MiKenMi33

(231 posts)
13. Make up excuses and MAGAs cheer for the nazi salute!
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 05:23 PM
Jan 2025

They’re doing their best to normalize it, don’t let them. It’s what they’re trying to do so it will be acceptable to all eventually. We’ve got to continue calling them out.

Johnny2X2X

(24,179 posts)
17. Nazi font on his hat that is very specific
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 05:42 PM
Jan 2025


This is ‘Fraktur’ font? It's not used for things anymore because it's closely associated with Nazism. So he's just accidentally making Nazi salutes 2 months after accidentally wearing a hat embroidered in Nazi font. All a big coincidence, sure.

It's the freaking font the original Mein Kampf is printed in.

Crunchy Frog

(28,275 posts)
22. He's done similar things on his Twitter account too.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 06:52 PM
Jan 2025

As well as making it a safe space for neo-Nazis, Holocaust deniers and extreme expressions of antisemitism.

Johnny2X2X

(24,179 posts)
23. Yeah
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 07:13 PM
Jan 2025

It’s not him trolling IMO, he’s a white supremacist.

It’s time we stop dancing around this, some of the people who control our country are literal Neo Nazis.

sakabatou

(46,125 posts)
18. Remember, many people on the spectrum would NEVER do such a thing
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 05:42 PM
Jan 2025

We may be bad in social environments and with cues, but we're not idiots.

meadowlander

(5,130 posts)
25. Also the Nazis murdered, forcibly sterilized and experimented on autistic people without their consent.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 10:13 PM
Jan 2025

So no self-respecting, even moderately self-aware autistic person would ever do a Nazi salute even as a joke.

electric_blue68

(26,835 posts)
19. "If what Elon did wasn't a Nazi salute then do it tomorrow at work."...
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 05:49 PM
Jan 2025
BOOM!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA....
Most likely HR will be calling!

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