My trumper sister has it all figured out. She says if Dems don't stop them from touching SS or Medicare/medicaid

[boston bean]

It will be the Dems fault. Even though republicans have the presidency house senate and Supreme Court. The Democrats can always filibuster. And if they don’t stop it they are at fault.

Her brain is addled. But this is what we are dealing with.

I wanted to punch her.

[ck4829]

1. murc's law

The widespread assumption that only Democrats have any agency or causal influence over American politics.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=murc%27s%20law

[Volaris]

14. Also that is SOLELY the responsibility of elected dems to go back to DC (with no actual power...

...because the electorate just stripped it from us) and work our asses off to turn down the voltage on the outlets that same electorate just voted to STICK THEIR FINGERS IN.

The filibuster? Hahaha. That's the first thing that will go, as long as it makes it easier for Speaker House Elf to obey his masters command.

I'm in the 'not this time' camp. They voted for leopards; lets let the vicious fuckers off their chain, and when they start screaming for help, our response needs to be 'well, vote for us so we CAN do something about it...otherwise, enjoy being lunch.'

[ZonkerHarris]

17. American needs to feel the pain for its choices

[dchill]

50. So I DESERVE to lose my Social Security and Medicare?

[HappyLarge]

84. No. You don't DESERVE to lose your SS and Medicare.

But, there are not enough Democratic Senators to stop it from happening, even with a filibuster. Because, the filibuster is going “bye-bye” as soon as any Democrat uses it.
This is what the majority of people who actually voted decided they want. According to our system….this is what they (and us) will get.

[dchill]

85. I didn't ask you.

[MadameButterfly]

90. The majority of people didn't decide they wanted to cut SS

They believed Trump when he said he wouldn't cut it. Only the billionares voted to cut SS and they are about 37 votes.

Democrats of course can't stop it, it depends on Republicans fearing voters more than Trump, and Trump is a bit scarier these days.
Still, cutting SS that people have paid for is big and should get major resistance. The Trump base is seriously NOT for this. So let's not write the epithet yet.

[soldierant]

88. Isn't the filibuster only available to Senators?

[Volaris]

89. Yes, but if thats the only obstacle, theyll ditch it if trump tells them to

[wryter2000]

2. What if they push it through budget reconciliation?

No filibuster then.

[boston bean]

4. I told her that democrats couldn't filibuster it. And she looked at me and behind her eyes her mind was a blank slate.

Even if they did, a filibuster does not stop them from in the end doing what they want to do.

[3auld6phart]

38. Jesus H

Some of them are that feckin’ STUPID. When t fuck are they going to clue in Self inflicted stupidity.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

61. Guess you got all the brains in that family. I have a twin brother who voted for him.

But even he is not THAT brain-addled. I don’t know what problem he has - guess he just a cult member.

[Rebl2]

83. That's

what being a maga does to you—dead eye look. Nothing between the ears.

[W_HAMILTON]

8. Like these sorts of idiots even know what budget reconciliation is.

I fear our collective stupidity has doomed us.

[boston bean]

18. Or cloture.

[tritsofme]

22. Social Security cannot be changed in reconciliation.

[Wingus Dingus]

3. She sounds fun.

[zuul]

70. Indeed!

I have two older sisters I don’t particularly like to spend time with, but at least they’re both Democrats.

I feel so bad for folks who have MAGAt relatives. I hear so many stories of conflict among families because of that orange pig. I feel fortunate that my closest relatives are all liberals.

[Wingus Dingus]

74. Most of my family are Dems, but I have a MAGA brother and

my husband's family are mostly Trumphumpers so I don't tangle with them in terms of politics.

[zuul]

92. So many families impacted by the FOTUS.

I was really hoping the hamberder and soft drink diet would do him in before January 20th.

[Irish_Dem]

5. So Dems are supposed to stop the crimes committed by the psychopaths she elected?

[boston bean]

7. Yes. Bipartisanship she called it. She is fucking stupid.

[Irish_Dem]

15. I follow Mark Twain's advice.

If you argue with a fool, you become one too.

[skypilot]

43. Interesting.

Usually, the word "bipartisanship" drops from their vocabulary when the Republicans are in charge.

[Stargleamer]

96. Consider telling her. . .

if virtually no Republicans join in the effort to stop these cuts, how can it be "bipartisan"?

Why should it be up to Democrats to try to stop this harm, and not Republicans?

Often though it's hard to argue with stupidity.

[magicarpet]

53. Hold on a second,...

Let's all get our feather dusters and can of Pledge and clean up their fucking messes again.

[Irish_Dem]

55. Yep. MAGAs see Dems as the clean up crew on aisle 14.

Dems are evil to the core and only good for cleaning up MAGA messes.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

66. So sounds like some Reps are worried about Trump.

But they cannot bring themselves to hate on the Reps.

[Dem4life1234]

6. What the fuck can Dems do?

Why is it these people never seem to hold these Rethugs accountable?


Did she vote Dem?

[boston bean]

9. She's already got her reasons ready to blame and keep on voting for the people who are harming her.

Critical thinking is missing. She is a trumper. So so so happy. The prior Trump years were the best of her life.

[Biophilic]

10. What an interesting and distressing theory. No matter what it's the Dems fault.

It's honestly like there is some default in their brains that refuses to accept any responsibility for any actions they don't like. How easy to go through life that way, not being at fault, although one must spend of lot of time being angry at other people for all their mistakes.
As a footnote, I'm so sorry you have to try to deal with her.

[Wingus Dingus]

12. They create their own truth and reality, and they won't let your facts pierce it.

I've already seen claims that Musk's two time Nazi salute was AI generated and declared a "hoax".

[Paladin]

11. Don't punch her---disown her, instead.

It'll last a lot longer...

[Celerity]

16. +100

[NameAlreadyTaken]

28. Absolutely. No communication any more, forever.

[Paladin]

63. And I wish trump weren't president of this country---again.

Reclaiming our nation---if indeed that's still a possibility---isn't going to be remotely polite or pretty.

I stand by and confirm my prior comments on this thread. I believe our conversation on this matter is concluded.

[thinkingagain]

13. So ask her this

If someone is driving a car down the wrong side of the road and hits someone
Is it the other drivers fault because they didn’t get out of the way?

[durablend]

54. You want an answer to that?

Because a definite non-zero number of them will say yes.

[thinkingagain]

67. You are probably right

So frustrating

[Melon]

19. I am hoping the government sends the money taken from Ukraine

To prop up social security

[haele]

25. Seriously? This government takes "back money" to prop up tax cuts.

Project 2025 is their guidebook.
Social Security and Medicare are Commie programs to support the undeserving prey of the wealthy.

Get with the plan - if you aren't a Nepo Baby, you're only purpose in life is to grow up and get enough education to work for your betters and pop out replacements for when you get too old.

That includes anyone with talent.

If you're attractive enough and deemed exceptionally talented to the current self-proclaimed Masters, they might let you enter their ranks, but it will still take a generation or two to prove your family is loyal enough to the position for them to truly have membership.

Sorry, it's unraveling really quickly, and the MAGA and comfortably brainwashed don't see the actual loss and danger they're going to experience up close and personal.
Let's see how the courts handle this before it gets too far along.

[wishstar]

62. A big lie that MAGA's were told was how we couldn't afford to support Ukraine

because we needed the money to help Americans because our country is broke. As if Trump and Co. ever had any intention of shoring up any government programs that actually improve the lives of our citizens. No, they only wanted to save money in our budget to be able to fund enhanced tax cuts for wealthiest and for their war on immigration.

[sakabatou]

20. She can't complain, since she voted for the face-eating leopards

[Mariana]

32. She can and she will.

Like every other Trump cultist, she will never blame him for anything bad that happens, ever. It will always be someone else's fault.

[sakabatou]

34. Leopards Eating Faces leader confused, but happy that people are blaming the opposition

for the leopards eating people's faces.

[Klarkashton]

21. Any maga that relies on social security and medicare

Is a very convicted soul.

[tritsofme]

23. She is perhaps partially correct, changes cannot be made to Social Security through budget reconciliation.

Pretty sure they could rip apart Medicare though.

[boston bean]

31. I think they will employ the nuclear option.

They will be the ones to do it

[tritsofme]

56. I very much doubt it. I don't think they have the votes, no matter how big a temper tantrum Trump throws.

They know the filibuster benefits them a lot more than us.

[boston bean]

59. They can carve out an exception. They are pros at this.

[tritsofme]

65. Honestly, if Senate Democrats thought there was a big risk of Republicans tinkering with the filibuster

They probably would have come to the table seeking a formal rules change that both parties could live with.

Especially given the explicitly anti-filibuster stance so many in our caucus took in the last four years, I thought this might be a possibility.

I’d be shocked if anything changes in this Congress.

[Clouds Passing]

24. Does your sister know the Dems created those programs?

[littlemissmartypants]

51. Excellent point. ❤️

[NameAlreadyTaken]

26. Always the Dem's fault, no matter who did what!

[NameAlreadyTaken]

29. Could your sister get checked to see if she has a brain?

[LoisB]

30. Perhaps if your sister had voted for Harris, she wouldn't have to be concerned about Dems

stopping those she voted for from destroying those programs.

[StarryNite]

33. Of course, the blame game because they can't take responsibility

for their own actions.

[Hope22]

35. Never their fault.

In everyday life….same thing. My hat is off to you for even talking to her. She thought she could vote for her slime ball and then still get to keep what he promised to steal. No such luck !

[hadEnuf]

36. I get so sick of entertaining this type of babbling nonsense from Trumpers.

It's an insult to even acknowledge them.

[chowder66]

37. Ask her..Which party wants to destroy SS and Medicare and why did she vote for them?

The voters didn't make sure that there was one branch that could be a check on this administration so it looks like they want SS and Medicare destroyed.

[boston bean]

39. She knows. But she is so sure the Dems can prevent it didn't factor in to her decision making.

So, if they fail to stop it it is the democrats fault in her mind, not the republicans.

[chowder66]

40. I'm sorry your sister is lost to the cult.

[betsuni]

41. "Why didn't/don't Democrats stop ____ ?" Of course.

The idea that Democrats are the same as Republicans because they could easily stop them if they wanted to but don't want to. That lie has been targeted at those on the Left to make them hate Democrats, now I guess it's leaked (like many anti-Democratic lies, especially from 2016) to the Right.

[Bluetus]

42. This is the price we pay for 50 years of non-opposition,

always placing being "the adult in the room" over fighting for the things that are right.

There is no winning with that strategy. The only way forward is to be very clear about the things we demand and offer zero compromise on those things. And if that means that the walls cave in on the Republicans, so be it. It is better for this to fail quickly and decisively so we can have a chance to get this cancer out of our system. But that means a lot of overly-conciliatory Dems have to go too or change their ways dramatically.

[J-9]

58. It's time

for many of the old guard to go. Chuck Schumer sounds crazy right now talking about "our friends across the aisle." 😠

[yellow dahlia]

71. Chuck Schumer is ineffectual.

Last night as the grifter was signing Executive Orders, Schumer was being convivial and made a little joke.

One of the EO's included the appointment of 47 individuals. And Schumer thought he was funny when he said - you don't have to sign it 47 times.

[tritsofme]

75. Schumer was among the most effective majority leaders ever. Over four years he moved a record number of Biden judges

to confirmation in the Senate, surpassing even Trump’s first term totals. Not to mention moving ARP and BBB through a 50-50 Senate.

It was a master class display of leadership, it’s no wonder Senate Democrats once again gave him their unanimous support.

[Duppers]

80. Chicago Mayor

Just gave a great little barnburning speech on this.

[99MainSt]

44. Own The Libs?

Sounds like your sister might be even angrier at the Dems than she is loyal to the Rethugs. Or else she's just trying to own another Lib who happens to be her broz.

[Nasruddin]

45. canonical cognitive dissonance defense

It means the defense has already been breached, and she has to defend against her own doubts.
But what else can one do?

[Joinfortmill]

46. Wow, I guess that's what brainwashed is.

[Ohioboy]

47. I'll bet she also thinks Dems were behind the Jan 6th attack on the Capitol too?

[sanduca]

48. Do it!

You should have, pow!😂

[Keepthesoulalive]

49. Your sister wanted to vote for demented

He touched something that we don’t understand, she adores him but knows he’s destructive and will burn the place down. Her rationalization is the democrats will fix it and there will be no consequences for her adoration.

[SocialDemocrat61]

52. Green MAGAts say the same things

When Roe was overturned, they blamed Democrats especially Obama.

[Emile]

60. Republicans never take personal responsibility for anything!

[mucifer]

68. I have been saying this for months. They hate

Us more than they love themselves

[Aussie105]

69. The mindset is still 'us against them'.

Poor little Republicans fighting against Democrats.

When bad things happen to them, ask them who is in charge of the whole shop now?

Watch the marbles bounce inside their heads, stand clear if there is a likelihood of a brain explosion.

Dems know what is coming and can try to hide from the leopards. They don't.
But be kind, it may take some explaining why they are negatively affected just as much as Dems.

[Trueblue Texan]

72. Please do. nt

[Ruby the Liberal]

73. Do these people have a brain malfunction where they don't grasp accountability?

I know its coming, but its beyond comprehension that they vote for this shit against their own best interest and then blame other people for not stopping what they voted for in the first place.

I really need to find a bumper sticker expression to fire back when this happens. Something like the Leopards Eating Face party memes, but dumbed down enough where they *get it*.

[TBF]

76. That is the dumbest thing I've heard today and it's a low bar. nt

[Renew Deal]

77. It's a weird argument for her to make

Do you both agree on whether Democrats have the power to stop these things? Because if she doesn’t think Dems can stop it, her argument is just a setup.

I know you were kidding but punching or disowning her are idiotic ideas.

[Lotusflower70]

78. Sad but true

The media is always bashing the Democrats so I'm not surprised that she got sucked. Not making excuses, these people don't think for themselves. There is no critical thinking skill. There is no cost benefit analysis. There is only black and white and cult mentality. They don't think about anything until it impacts them. My vote takes other people into consideration, their vote is because they hate everyone else. That's the difference

[keithbvadu2]

79. This is what she wanted. She was not paying attention in her cult worship.

[DENVERPOPS]

81. You

should get your sister a brain transplant. Nothing short of that will work for her or her 74+ million charts.

[Martin68]

82. Trumpers are totally insane.

[stollen]

86. Say instead: How 'bout those Commanders?

subject change

[William Gustafson]

87. My advice to you is...

Tell her.... "We Told You So"... then do a mic drop and walk out of the room.... sadly, these misguided people have to feel pain in order to change their minds.... They can't be convinced they voted against their own interests, so stop trying... let her learn the painful lesson that elections have consequences and who you vote for is your responsibility.... sadly, again, we are going to also feel the pain, which maybe she needs to hear...

Blaming her decision on other people is common in this new version of the republican party. They have brainwashed people that you are never at fault, you never admit fault, and your life is crap because of someone else. I am afraid, by your comments, she is lost in the cult... so, I would walk away until they see the light... it may take a while, but once things start getting bad, she may come around.... and if not, she will live a poor, very lonely life and angry all the time.

good luck, hope she comes around...

[cstanleytech]

91. Maybe time to just write her out of your life perhaps if possible?

[no_hypocrisy]

93. Reminds me of the backward "logic" used to justify terminating the

parental rights of my client.

She was the victim of domestic violence and Child Protection Services took away her five children and put them in foster care. Not only did CPS not get her the social services to heal from the years of domestic violence, they actively sought to terminate her parental rights (and to allow the foster parents to adopt her children) on the basis of her being a victim of domestic violence.

Their position was that because she didn't stop or attempt to stop the DV, her children were harmed by her inaction by witnessing the DV. She was to blame for their emotional and psychological harm, ignoring the fact that SHE was also the victim. (BTW, she was nearly catatonic when we took her on as a client.)

Epilogue: Our defense of her rights proved well. She got her kids back.

[mnhtnbb]

94. It's always somebody else's fault

if you're a Republican. It's a requirement to be a Republican: ALWAYS blame the other guy.

She's just being who she is.

[Oopsie Daisy]

95. Oh that's not new. I hear similar sentiments from others who want to pre-blame Democrats *

* for the evil and incompetent actions and policies of the Republicans. It defies logic.