OK, I'm not a law expert, I'm not a lawyer, I'm not, but something strikes me as odd about the anti-transgender EO

[ck4829]

So someone please tell me what I'm not getting here. Let's review the executive order:

blah, blah, blah

(a) “Sex” shall refer to an individual’s immutable biological classification as either male or female. “Sex” is not a synonym for and does not include the concept of “gender identity.”

(b) “Women” or “woman” and “girls” or “girl” shall mean adult and juvenile human females, respectively.

(c) “Men” or “man” and “boys” or “boy” shall mean adult and juvenile human males, respectively.

(d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell.

(e) “Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell.

blah, blah, blah

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

Conception is really important to this EO it seems. So if these are post-conception embryos...



Where is the part that produces the large OR small reproductive cell that gets them determined as male or female?

Where is it and what is producing or storing the reproductive cells that determines their sex?

What would Trump's executive order declare the left-most big one down there?

[Lunabell]

1. Hey, Caitlyn Jenner!

Whatcha think about your besty now?

[Ocelot II]

4. The government says your name is Bruce. Deal with it.

[Lovie777]

2. It's garbage.......

Who wrote that.

[Ocelot II]

3. That's just science and biology, things that don't matter

when there are culture wars to be fought.

[ck4829]

5. True, I remember something though, I got blasted for advocating for jury nullification to deal with conservative laws

Now I look back on it, and I'm thinking this is the kind of hokum we're going to see from conservatives and yet we need to place it as sacred, over our lives and freedoms apparently?

I don't think so.

[no_hypocrisy]

6. It's an Executive Order. Not a statute. Only directs federal agencies

how to behave. Can be nullified by Congress (fat chance) or deleted by a Democratic President in 2029.

[ck4829]

9. Good to know

[no_hypocrisy]

13. Here

&t=18s

[Igel]

7. They're trying to merge two things.

One is the X~Y correlation, which is flawed. It's common enough an assertion, but it's not right--it's a correlation.

The other is the other definition, whether a body's "design" is set up to produce sperm or eggs (or their equivalent, if that's needed to be stated). Because not all vertebrates use an X-Y system.

Most intersex neonates are identifiable as one or the other, but the whole "conception" thing muddies the water. If only because in some few cases, developmental factors lead your body develop at odds with the presence or absence of a Y chromosome, or the fetus is XXY (or some other genome that's more than just XY).

[wnylib]

14. I remember learning in biology that human zygotes (fertilized egg before it develops into an embyo and then a fetus)

begin as females because of the X chromosome presence, as in XX (female) and XY (male). The Y chromosome traits develop as the zygote>embryo>fetus grows.

But, there are other factors so that not all fetuses develop the same. Sometimes at conception, the gender chromosomes are XXY. Sometimes they are XYY. Sometimes with the XY chromosome combination, the hormones associated with the Y chromosome get suppressed and do not function as usual. The person appears to be female, but has internal testes instead of ovaries. Such people feel female and are raised socially as female.

Among people with the usual XY and XX chromosome combinations, who appear to be clearly defined biologically as male or female, there are variations in the amounts of male or female hormone production.

Those are just the variations that I am aware of. They indicate that gender identity is not simple black and white as the anti science MAGAs insist it is. There are variations in self identity and in whom people are attracted to. One professor of biological and psychological human development taught us that identity and sexual attraction preferences are a spectrum and individuals can fall anywhere on the spectrum depending on biology and social environmental influences.

Therefore, identity and sexual attraction should not be controversial political issues and politicians should stay out of it, except for guaranteeing everyone the right to be who they are.

[Johonny]

8. It turns out hating Trans-women

Once again, they usually fail to understand trans-men exist. But they hate trans-women. And that is more important than egg prices

[ck4829]

10. Just to clarify: Those are not human embryos though, but mouse embryos

https://www.sciencealert.com/in-a-huge-first-mouse-embryos-have-been-grown-in-space

[Srkdqltr]

11. How about we all get our genetics done. See what we all are. Dna too.

Anything else is just bigotry.

[yardwork]

12. This EO is unscientific and just stupid.

[EndlessWire]

15. They're trying to set up to

overthrow Obergefell v. Hodges.