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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDemocrats should halt the transition in its tracks.
We already know their plans. Why go along with them?
One Senator can stop anything he wants. Witness how Tuberville stopped the promotion of Generals and hundreds of thousands of military personnel for months, all by himself.
Democrats need to shake themselves out of their shock and oppose these unfit and dangerous nominees of Trump and the Republicans.
Walleye
(44,720 posts)Best thing the Democrats can do right now is to drag it out as long as possible. Put up every obstacle they can think of to frustrate the asshole.
BComplex
(9,899 posts)against this kind of activity if it was the dems in charge of the nut house.
dutch777
(5,062 posts)returnee
(921 posts)but also immediately and constantly educating the public 24/7 on what is wrong with these actions.
yellow dahlia
(5,806 posts)We need to constantly fact check on social media and in whatever way we can.
Lonestarblue
(13,460 posts)They need to get over that and do some obstructing of their own.
Maraya1969
(23,494 posts)niyad
(132,223 posts)themaguffin
(5,207 posts)but we need to pick our battles.
HarryM
(462 posts)They still do very little if anything. They are very quick to ask for campaign donations every day.
It's all about the money. We have to get money out of politics.
BonnieJW
(3,121 posts)He texted me for money. I told him his silence is deafening and his lack of any protest is pathetic. I told him if he wants my money, he has to earn it
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)NotHardly
(2,705 posts)Mr. Sparkle
(3,705 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,484 posts)when he arrived to retake the White House. Inappropriately "gentlemanly" imnsho.
appmanga
(1,485 posts)...was when the Garland nomination was being held up. The Democrats should have countered by saying they would withhold unanimous consent, which would grind the Senate to a halt, until Garland got a hearing. This isn't quite the "nuclear option" that blowing up the filibuster would be, but it's the strongest leverage the conference had. Even if you're afraid of getting hurt, you sometimes have to fight. It might turn out better than you feared.
karynnj
(60,949 posts)is because we, to our core, want government to work, while the Republicans are willing to stop everything.
I suspect it is because, at heart, Republicans believe as Reagan said that government is the problem. Most Democrats went into government because they believed government could make life better.
In 2016, Obama was President. Shutting down the government would have prevented him from any of the 2016 accomplishments that needed Congress. Not to mention, we would have been blamed and would have had no chance to win 2016. In 2016, most people thought we would win.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...is not our government working.
FoxNewsSucks
(11,684 posts)and provide cover to republicons.
Igel
(37,516 posts)At least some. Those that the leader wants approved for convenience' sake by "unanimous consent." Why? Because if one person says he'll vote "no" then consent isn't unanimous. Holds can be public or secret, which is squirrelly but there you go.
If Hegseth's nomination is up for a vote, then a senatorial hold would require an actual vote. Now, if you have 1,000 nominations to vote on, each vote might well take an hour or more so it's all unanimous consent. Bam. You've just told the leader you, li'l ol' you, will cause the Senate to be tied up for 1000 hours or more. If there's a 40 hour work week, that's 25 weeks. Less of a concern for a single nominee. Esp. one that's certainly *not* going to be approved by unanimous consent.
If a hold is placed on a bill or nominee, then there has to be a cloture vote to bring the bill to the floor for a vote. (Nominee? Not sure. I think it's 51/100 for judicial nominees, don't know if that's for *all* nominees.)
One senator cannot "stop anything he wants." That's a misgeneralization.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...it's about standing against nominees they don't agree with, just as we elected them to do.
FoxNewsSucks
(11,684 posts)but it sure seems that way if it's a Senator with an "R" after their name, or if their last name is either "manchin" or "synema".
HAB911
(10,438 posts)We are where we are because that's what congress wants, or it would have been addressed long ago. It's bipartisan
Kid Berwyn
(24,299 posts)OTOH: With four years in power, two with majorities in both houses, we still couldn't get rid of Postmastercheater DeJoy. Yet, Trump, with the slimmest of "victories" is now shredding the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
WTF, people.
yellow dahlia
(5,806 posts)It is a barrage. And that is no accident.
Kid Berwyn
(24,299 posts)And thanks to Clarence Thomas and an NRA-funded Supine Court, gangsters can legally own, carry and operate machine guns.
FoxNewsSucks
(11,684 posts)Democrats can't do/stop anything, republicons can do/stop everything.
Every time.
CrispyQ
(40,945 posts)I am beyond words disgusted with that.
Kid Berwyn
(24,299 posts)JFK says "No" to escalating US involvement in another nation's "Civil War" and refuses to send "draftees." (JFK's quote)
After the assassination, LBJ says "OK" to whatever South Vietnam needs to stay afloat and lies America into war via the phony cassus belli of the Gulf of Tonkin.
Details: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217402396
Mysterian
(6,452 posts)Biden failed because he did not take bold action.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,484 posts)have so much power no matter who holds the majority, yet Dems often seem impotent.
tritsofme
(19,886 posts)from confirming the nominees it wants.
William769
(59,147 posts)Scubamatt
(306 posts)stop playing by the gentlepersons' club rules. Use the same parliamentary tactics the Pukes have used to thwart most progressive initiatives over the years and grind the senate to a halt. And don't start with the "we have to take the high road" or "we have to set an example". That has gotten us nowhere and has emboldened these fascist bullies. The Pukes have suffered no consequences for their obstruction, and now, we need to use every tool to try to save this country.
Rebl2
(17,703 posts)Thats the problem with democrats in congress, they want to take the high ground. Its time to stop that b.s. and really fight back.
yellow dahlia
(5,806 posts)ananda
(35,082 posts)It's ingrained in our psyche.
To do the right thing, you have to deliberately and aggressively
dismiss it.
I don't see any white people in government now, or formerly in government,
doing that now.
Tallk me down if you wish, but this is how I see it now.
MLWR
(1,009 posts)but there are exceptions. One is Gov. Pritzker of IL. He is a billionaire and he is standing up to donald's immigration plans.
ananda
(35,082 posts)I'm sure all of us good Democrats are trying to fight it,
but I still believe that all white people in government
need to do so, and they are not.
You see what happens when people of color try to fight.
They are viciously attacked, set up to look like they promote
violence when they don't, and dismissed as not worthy of
being anything but subservient slaves.
yellow dahlia
(5,806 posts)ananda
(35,082 posts)to vote for a white man, while they dismiss very good reasons
not to.
Look at Ted Cruz, such a slimeball in so many ways, won on
the transgender issue.
And of course, nearly all Republicans are horrible slimeballs,
yet they are associated with the white male supremacy
attitude that is embedded in our psyches.
People are raised with this attitude; abused and groomed
to believe it and to hate and fear all non-white males and
women.
It's a very sad way to live, and it will destroy us all without
any worries about breaking the law or not following the
Constitution.
yellow dahlia
(5,806 posts)spanone
(141,535 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,135 posts)People are stunned and cannot act quickly enough.
S/V Loner
(9,542 posts)Shock doctrine describes the brute tactic of systematically using the publics disorientation following a collective shockwars, coups, terrorist attacks, market crashes, natural disastersto push through radical pro-corporate measures, often called shock therapy.
TBF
(36,589 posts)we need much more of this attitude. FIGHT them. Don't let them push a single thing without fighting back, filing the lawsuit, doing whatever they can in Congress to fight. The playing nice does not work. Bullies feed on it. We need to fight back.
yaesu
(9,298 posts)Andrew Jackson did. By the way, Jackson is the only pres tRump has a picture of on his wall.
TBF
(36,589 posts)yellow dahlia
(5,806 posts)Glaisne
(642 posts)They neither have the will or the nerve. Bipartisanship is more important. The Democrats (with very few exceptions) will be weak and ineffective opposition.
yellow dahlia
(5,806 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(11,684 posts)
Maybe one of the worst mistakes Democrats keep making is constantly playing nice and giving in to republicons.
DSandra
(1,719 posts)I remember how lame Tom Daschle and Dick Gephardt were in countering the Bush Administration. Milquetoast Dems are traitors to the party and it's constituents in my book.
PatrickforB
(15,420 posts)iemanja
(57,751 posts)As far as I know.
AverageOldGuy
(3,795 posts)filibuster the vote?
tritsofme
(19,886 posts)Polybius
(21,879 posts)The filibuster doesn't apply to nominees (or judges/Justices).
iemanja
(57,751 posts)I believe they did away with the filibuster for nominations. Someone smarter than I will know for sure.
yellow dahlia
(5,806 posts)But again they acquiesce and "work across the aisle".
AverageOldGuy
(3,795 posts)Democratic senators alll are members of the No Guts Club
CaptainTruth
(8,195 posts)...any way we can.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)kentuck
(115,400 posts)They seem to rejoice in the pain and suffering of their fellow Americans.
They deserve no sympathy from the American people.