We are witnessing the viciousness of the confederacy

[Henry203]

Trump is being supported by people like Kennedy( Louisiana), Mike Johnson, Tuberville, Graham etc. They all embody the cruelness of slavery. It is not hard to imagine these people whipping slaves. We are close to a second civil war.

[walkingman]

1. Please do not leave out Cruz (Texas). Cruelty and obnoxiousness is part of the GOP platform.

[sop]

2. Confederate southern states used to be solidly Democratic till civil rights came along and federal laws and

court decisions prohibited whipping (former) slaves. These folks are still angry their states' rights were taken away.

[raging moderate]

3. Yes. And there WERE some Confederacy sympathizers in the northern states.

And they also were white supremacists who believed in strict control of non-white people. And they left descendants. But here is the bad news for the white supremacists: The anti-racist Abolitionists also left progeny. We must carry their dreams of empathy and equality forward!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. Southern states blessed w warm lush climate yet they are money sinks

They are money sinks because the white supremacist mind set seeks to destroy competition instead of raising one's self. It's a loser mind set.

[Basso8vb]

5. They were conservative "Southern Democrats"

who swore they'd never vote for a republican because of the civil war even after the ideologies flipped. That's why that "Democratic" congress went along with Reagan so often.

They mostly all switched to the republican party by the time Shrub was in office.

[Susan Calvin]

17. That was a completely different Democratic party.

Only the name is the same.

[sop]

22. Dixiecrats.

Working class, rural racists and segregationists.

[wnylib]

21. Old news. The Democratic Party was split between

supporters of slavery and opponents of it prior to and during the Civil War.

After the Civil War ended, Southerners hated Republicans so much for the loss of the war and for Reconstruction, that they became solidly Democratic.

It was Democrats under JFK and then LBJ who supported the Civil Rights movements of the 1960s. The racist Dems became Reagan Democrats and then left the Democratic Party to become Republicans where they blindly accepted Republican dogma that POC and immigrants were the cause of all their problems.

The parties are now exactly reversed from what they were in the Civil War period and Reconstruction.

[dalton99a]

6. The Union should have hanged Lee, Davis and the gang

[meow2u3]

10. The Union should have also insisted on completing Reconstruction

Unreconstructed Confederates should never have been readmitted into mainstream American politics. They haven't learned a thing except the sense of entitlement to rule over Americans.

[AverageOldGuy]

7. The South has won the Civil War

I was born (1944) in deep rural SW Mississippi; the great-great grandson of slave owner. My g-g-grandaddy and his siblings and familiy owned over 300 enslaved people on plantations in SW Mississippi and SE Louisiana.

I left Mississippi in 1962 at age 18 and never looked back.

I was deeply embedded in the Jim Crow culture, the Black Codes, and Deep South social customs -- blacks did not look white people in the eye when talking, they had to cast their eyes down; my county was (still is) 75% black, only a handful voted; when we talked about "the war," we were talking about "The War Between the States," not the recently-concluded WW II; Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson were saints, seated on the right hand of God the Father -- at least that's what I learned in school, church, and family.

I've been watching the South be converted from white supremacist Democratic control the white supremacist Republican control.

I have been back home for funerals and the conversations with my cousins are filled with the same racist shit I heard in the 1950's . . . they just temper it a bit. Schools are segregated -- black kids go to public schools, white kids to "the academy". (Read the Wikipedia article on "Segregation Academies".)

The South won the Civil War, Trump's election was just the ceremony where the rest of us signed the surrender documents.

Read Heather Cox Richardson's book "How the South Won the Civil War."

[Clouds Passing]

11. Knights

Of The Golden Circle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Golden_Circle

[LastDemocratInSC]

14. Thank you for mentioning this topic.

It has been omitted from most history books. It's a fascinating topic and illustrates the depraved ideas that a self entitled population can invent.

[Moostache]

15. The fact that such events are completely untaught in our schools is damning...

History used to MEAN something and people understood that teaching it was essential. Much like "government", "home economics", "shop" and other by-gone classes, our modern "teach-to-the-test" approach is an abysmal failure. Private religious schools are nothing more than thinly disguised indoctrination machines and do absolutely no better in education.

I cannot believe that we are living through the Fall of the American Empire and so many people are utterly unaware of the past, how it is STILL impacting the present or what this all means for the future of this nation (which is decidedly bleak and at the whim of a very small subset of deviant billionaires). History will look back on this and marvel at how calmly the population was manipulated into voting against their interests until their rights to vote or choose leaders was simply extinguished.

[LastDemocratInSC]

29. If we had a national football team

they would be named the Boiled Toads.

[Clouds Passing]

19. Their continued promotion of slavery to this day has taken hold of our government, business, etc

I propose the “Seven Mountains” is a large part of the KGC.

[anniebelle]

8. The worst of the worst

I do believe Tommy Gooberville is the dumbest of the entire lot of idiots.

[Simeon Salus]

9. The forces which drove the old south were centrifugal, that is, spinning them away from united action.

Robert Penn Warren in his 1961 The Legacy of the Civil War reminds us that our nation had previously tried a confederacy (as in Articles of...), but the lack of trust in a strong central federal government caused the colonies to act in an uncoordinated way.

In the Civil War South, logistics, strategy, leadership were all decentralized (to the states). This is why the last Confederate armies often lacked clothing and footwear while North Carolina warehouses contained many tens of thousands of boots and uniforms (only for NC troops) after Lee's surrender.

In the North, Lincoln grabbed every executive advantage he could, centralizing Federal power under his "rule."

The old South would have never allowed a chief executive with unchecked power (much less a known fraudster and a criminal) to lead the confederated states.

What is currently happening is a trolling of both the political opponents and the voting public on a massive scale.

This is bound to end badly for everyone.

[cer7711]

12. The Capital police force (in its entirety) should resign today.

F--k 'em. Congress critters.
Leave 'em undefended, since the R's support the violent rioters.

[intheflow]

13. What the fuck?

That’s a lot of Democratic politicians you’re willing to throw under the bus. Because that’s who will be hurt if the Capitol police leave and MAGA swarms, or worse, are replaced by MAGA brown shirts.

[ananda]

16. Exactly! The return of the Confederacy is a big part of all this.

I used to know a woman who was Confederate to the bone,
so racist.

Her son had a Confederate flag on his pickup.

My Texas family was Confederate and fought in the war.

They are racist Trumpers now.

[wnylib]

23. I am originally from PA and now live in NY state.

All the Trumpers in my family have moved South, to SC, GA,and FL. The rest remained in PA or, like me, ended up in NY or New England.

[alarimer]

18. The ultimate result of not hanging Robert E. Lee as a traitor.

They all should have been hanged (leadership) or imprisoned (rank and file).

[wnylib]

24. Lincoln's goal, if he had lived, was to reunite the

states and heal the differences "with malice toward none, with charity for all." (Second inaugural address)

[alarimer]

27. It didn't work in the long run, did it?

The whole stupid "Lost Cause" bullshit was a direct result of them not being held to account someway.

[wnylib]

28. Well, it did not last long because Lincoln himself

did not last long after giving the speech.

President Andrew Johnson did not have the intelligence, wisdom, or leadership skills that Lincoln had.

I don't believe that Lincoln would have given the Confederate leaders a free pass. I think that there would have been some accountability, but also some efforts at reconciliation. We'll never know thanks to Booth and his allies.

But Reconstruction did not help the former slaves and was not even directed at helping them. It was focused on using them for vengeance. Once the vengeance feelings were acted on and dissipated, the Reconstructionists abandoned formerly enslaved people and we know how that turned out. 100 years later, descendants of former slaves had to fight for their full rights as citizens, in the North as well as in the South.

[Kali999]

20. Agree whole heartedly

Tuberville may be stupid, but he held up the military promotions single handedly. We need to go hard on the offensive and learn a lesson from that asshole. He held up cancer tx for Austin. Bastard. KKK or nazi's same thing. And all their stinking coordinating governors.

[moondust]

25. The Trump Confederacy

is something I called it as early as ~2018. MAGA like 1860!

Judging by his long history of not paying people, lifelong racism, and abusive behavior, I have no doubt that TSF and many of his gangsters would return to owning and whipping slaves if they could find a way to abolish or override the 13th Amendment.

[Blue_Tires]

26. The "Civil War" as you put it already started years ago

Except this time it's not fought with bullets but with information versus disinformation... And we're losing this war😞

[Dem4life1234]

30. The craziness

Can't believe a Kennedy is supporting him.

That still boggles my man, a brave, thoughtful family of men and women and he ruins it.