Is this a Christian schism?

[Marthe48]

Lots of jumbled thoughts about this waking nightmare. I was thinking that rwnj think they own God. But they don't. I thought of how different religions have fractured because of profound differences in outlook. Is American christianity at that point? One group of christians are following actual christian teachings. The other group has lost its way, as it stubbornly twists a religion of love into a justification for hate. I heard long ago that Jesus said the new testament replaced the old testament, and if you are familiar with both, you can see that the messages are different. Christians who sincerely follow the message of Christ live a different way than christians who are creating a belief in hate.
There are many places in the world where religious schisms cause war, death, destruction. It's come to America and I don't think it'll end well. In reality, true Christians will have to set aside their belief in love, peace, brotherhood and fight to save the temporal world.

[Walleye]

1. Yeah, there are schisms between religious sects really has nothing to do with theology most the time

[biophile]

2. Thank you!

I was thinking about this yesterday- Bishop Budde hopefully will awaken the real Christian community into standing up for the actual Jesus teachings. Where are they? Get up and stand up for your faith and decry this bastardization of your Christian values.

[Marthe48]

7. She influenced my thoughts

Thank you

[ck4829]

3. Yes.

I am suggesting it is time to see Conservative Christians as adherents of a religion separate from Christianity.

"Thou shalt not steal" did not have an exception for the rich and powerful. And love and compassion are "woke" now. They aren't even separate from Christianity at this point, they've diverged from Abrahamic faiths as a whole.

[mwmisses4289]

16. Conservative Christians aren't.

[Mariana]

18. What are they?

They aren't atheists. They believe the usual stuff, that Jesus was born of a virgin, that he was the Son of God, that he was crucified and resurrected, and that he forgives sins. Don't most flavors of Christianity teach that salvation is based on faith, not behavior? They have the faith, so how are they not Christians?

[Think. Again.]

26. They are nazis.

[Mariana]

27. The original Nazis were Christians.

The population of Germany in 1933 was around 60 million. Almost all Germans were Christian, belonging either to the Roman Catholic (ca. 20 million members) or the Protestant (ca. 40 million members) churches. The Jewish community in Germany in 1933 was less than 1% of the total population of the country.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-german-churches-and-the-nazi-state

[Blue Full Moon]

34. They also believe

That they can do whatever they wish. All they have to do is say, Jesus I'm sorry. They also will say, if God didn't want me to do it he would stop me.
My favorite of these is in country music, the gratuitous of saying god in a song that is irrelevant and they eat it up

[Mariana]

19. Unfortunately, they are the majority of the Christians in the US.

It might be better for the minority to give up the label of Christianity, if they don't want to be associated with Conservative Christians.

[travelingthrulife]

32. Or they could finally stand up against these evangelical christians

Invade the mega MAGA churches.

[Blue Full Moon]

35. Pretty much that they are hypnotized or brainwashed.

[Mariana]

37. Don't hold your breath.

This has been going on for years and what have they done? Have we seen more than a handful of preachers calling out their hateful colleagues by name? Have we seen church signs and websites calling them out? Have we seen protests or picketing of the hateful churches? No, we haven't. They just bleat "They're not Christians!" as if that solves anything. You can see that in this very thread.

[Blue Full Moon]

21. I call them churchers.

They are idolaters.

Literalism deprives God of his greatness. Faith takes on symbols literally becomes idolatrous. Like when the Israelites worshipped the figure on top of Moses' staff. I think that is precisely what they have done to the Bible.
Then there is whatever their concern is becomes their god. So a nationalist whose concern for country, the country is god and the flag is the symbol.
So if money is the concern, money is the god and currency is the symbol.
Anything that prevents them from basking in their god is blasphemy.

[wryter2000]

30. I'm in church every week

I doubt they all go to church. They have a primitive idea of God.

I prefer calling them Xtians. Christofascits also works. Yes, they are idolaters.

[Lotusflower70]

4. Hmmm

If you mean the difference between real and fake Christians, that has been there forever. It's so much more visible now because of social media. I remember going to church as a kid and I could pick out the phonies. The man in the fancy suit and watch sleeping through the service was putting on appearances but he was horrible to his family. There are so many examples. But you can look at history and see how it has been used for political gain. And the number of people that quote the Bible without knowing the meaning is appalling

[surfered]

5. That is why Bisop Budde felt it necessary to publicly explain what's in the Bible to a man who's selling them

[Bernardo de La Paz]

6. Nailed it. . . . . . nt

[malaise]

8. The vast majority of religions facilitate hate

Any view by one group that they are chosen and other aren’t facilitates the slaughter of others.
Too many of them have stunning contradictions which facilitate their existence.
In fairness to the Anglicans/Episcopalians, at least they have apologized for transatlantic slavery and are resolving matters reparations.

[Voltaire2]

9. Just because you like one version of christianity and dislike another

doesn't make the one you dislike 'unchristian'.

The historical record is rather clear: intolerance and depravity and violence are absolutely part of the christian religion.

[Autumn]

10. I think this is a good thing. Cristians have shown their true beliefs and people are walking

away from it in disgust. Their god is not love or compassion and eyes are being opened.

[SamKnause]

11. Jesus did not say the new testament replaces the old testament.

What Jesus actually said, "Not one jot or tittle will pass away from the law".

Matthew 5:18 God's law will remain until everything in it has happened.

Why in the year 2025 would anyone care what an old book says about a 'god' that has never been proven to exist ???

These evil superstitions are a destructive force.

The bible is a hideous book which many religious people have never read.

It can be interpreted in 100's of ways.

It is past time for the new enlightenment.

The trump cult and religious cults are equally dangerous.

The religious that back trump are double cultists.

Flame away, I don't care.

I am sick of these two cults destroying this country !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marthe48]

15. I'm using a catchall for lack of a word

Around half or more of people in the U.S. don't attend church. There is a growing number of agnostics and atheists. I am thinking of common tenets that all major religions share, and because the main enemies of the U.S. proclaim they are 'christian' using that term. The criminals backing traitor and enforcing his insanity procliam they are christians, at least some of them, and people who voted for him say they are christians, but don't seem to have the same bible I do. Or didn't embrace the humanity.

No matter what good people feel about religion, God, christianity, they live their lives sending out positive energy. Even with occasional fails, overall good people do things that raise all of us. Good people don't want this negative energy flowing from our leadership. Maybe along with goodness comes complacency, because not enough positve energy came through at the polls. Or maybe it did and everything is just diddled to look like Americans voted for this.

In the meantime, people in general need to anchor themselves to something, whether it's work, or church, or communtiy, or hobbies, people have a need to identify themselves. For my thoughts today, using the term christian homes in on what my thoughts are swirling around.

[sop]

12. The new Prosperity Doctrine christians vs the traditional Vows of Poverty christians.

If pastors are following the teachings of Christ they're not building monstrous megachurches, flying around in private jets and wearing expensive suits and jewelry. These Superstar Preachers have become nothing more than religious entertainers sowing hate and division and getting rich by fleecing their congregants. Sort of like Trump.

[milestogo]

13. The US has always had zillions of different Christian groups

Some of the split within denominations happened around the time of the civil war. But there have also been disagreements over the ordination of women, gay marriage, abortion, you name it. It used to be that ministers hid their political views, but now their views are out in front. And some of the churches practically worship Trump. Those are no longer recognizable as Christianity.

[Girard442]

14. I've always thought it was an accident of history...

...that the deities of the OT and the NT are thought to be the same one. They are quite radically different.

[Mariana]

17. I doubt it.

The common thing is to simply declare that those other Christians they don't like aren't Christians. Done! Wasn't that easy?

Christianity is as Christianity does. The majority of Christian voters cast their ballots for Trump three times. In 2024, he got 63% of the Protestants' votes and 59% of the Catholics, according to the exit polls. The reality is that Trump represents Christianity as it is currently practiced in the US.

[Unwind Your Mind]

20. My 2 cents

True Christians are simply those who follow the teachings of Christ

And I support them taking back their religion

Signed, atheist who thinks Jesus was a righteous dude 😉

[Blue Full Moon]

22. This tells you how to convert. Think of the Trump rallies.

And Trump being so mad about the Tulsa rally that he banned TikTok.

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[usonian]

23. Doctor Frankenstein decries his monster.

ALL the "Christian Ministers" who either supported this monster or who maintained silence (with very few exceptions) as he and his media buddies spewed this blasphemy and betrayal of Christ OWN THIS BEAST.

It's too late.
He's out in the wild.
"Frankenstein Unbound"



FAFO Flag.



And the FAFO flag/calling card collection is here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219770873

[Ping Tung]

24. They're trying to help women.....

"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, burning bushes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?" Mark Twain

[Mosby]

25. Whats a rwnj?

Right wing non-Jew?

What Christian group "turns the other cheek"?

I don't see pacifism anywhere in any denomination of Christians except maybe the Amish.

And fwiw Jews don't follow the "old testament", that's just an antisemitic smear.

[Jilly_in_VA]

29. You completely missed the historic "peace churches"

Quakers, Mennonites, and Church of the Brethren. I'm pretty familiar with all of them, since Mennonites of all varieties and CoB abound here, and I have off and on attended Quaker meetings and my longtime best friend was Quaker. I also used to stand vigil for peace with the women of the Church of the Brethren in Hagerstown, MD, when I was a travel nurse there. Although I'm not a member of any of those bodies, I've had ancestors who were, and I have a deep respect for them and for their traditions.

it is possible that many Christians will take up something resembling the Underground Railroad in the near future, for immigrants and for political dissidents. We won't have to be pacifists, either, although many will be.

[Ocelot II]

31. We also forget that much of the power of the civil rights movement came from the Black churches.

MLK was, of course, a pastor before he became an activist. And look at all the Black clergy that are still on the front lines, like Sen. Warnock, Al Sharpton and Rev. Barber.

[Mosby]

36. That's true, but what do they make up, 1% of Christians?

People find the meaning they are looking for, that's true in Christianity and Judaism.

Hitler was a Christian, he apparently didn't find any dissonance between his racist ideology and church doctrine.

[Mariana]

38. Not just Hitler. Just about all of the members of the Nazi party were Christians.

In the US, the majority of Christian voters support Trump. Christianity is as Christianity does.

[Jilly_in_VA]

39. The Amish, who were originally cited

make up less than that. And so?

[Mosby]

40. So?

If a majority in this country were pacifists it would be called the third Reich of America.

Pacifists are cowardly fools.

[Jilly_in_VA]

42. Bullshit

They are some of the bravest people I know or know of. And look to history if you don't think so. Who, for instance, stood up to slave hunters before and during the Civil War? Who served as ambulance drivers and medics, for instance, in both World Wars? I personally knew a couple who served as medics during Vietnam. So take your "cowardly" and fold it five ways and I'll leave the rest up to you.

[Ocelot II]

28. No more so than the many schisms that have occurred for centuries

in Christianity and all other religions. The Buddhists had a schism. Muslims have the Shia vs. the Sunni. Judaism has had four of them. Christians had a war over the Albigensian Heresy long before the Reformation, which stirred up a whole bunch of wars. There are schisms within denominations (just ask the Lutherans). In the US there were the Mormon Wars in Utah (disputes over territory, mostly). In every little town in the South there are half a dozen Baptist churches that hate each other. Under the broad category of evangelical Christianity there are many denominations that are currently allied only because of right-wing politics relating to social issues. Otherwise they'd be at each others' throats because they tend to think everybody who doesn't belong to their particular denomination is a heretic.

[Maru Kitteh]

33. Ain't religion GRAND? "True Christian" vs

“Real Christian” vs “Authentic Christianity”

You can literally make it be anything you want it it to be then stand behind it, using it as both shield and sword. “You’re not legitimate!” “NO! YOU’RE NOT LEGITIMATE!” They all accuse each other of being wrong; each and all of them backing their own positions with their favorite bits of ancient storytelling that they deem more important than the other’s bits of ancient storytelling.

It’s all a complete charade. Even the dumbest Evangelicals know he doesn’t really give a shit about religion.

[Dorothy V]

41. I am a Red Letter Christian who stopped going to church decades ago.

Even back in the '70s I could tell there was a difference between what Jesus said and what was preached to me.
I don't pretend to be a "good" Christian. I just do the best I can. I try not to hate or be judgmental, but I have the power of discernment for a reason. I know evil when I see it and I reject it.
I cannot understand how anybody claiming to be a Christian could vote for the orange monstrosity and those who follow it.
By their fruits you shall know them.

By the by, I don't care if somebody belongs to another faith or no faith at all. I will not preach to you. I have known Jews, Muslims, a Hindu, agnostics and atheists and they were good people. They certainly didn't bother me any.