What brings the demise of fascist rule, historically speaking?

[milestogo]

I'm asking.

[lapfog_1]

1. revolution or war.

sometimes both

[DBoon]

6. defeat in war

The Argentine junta started to lose when they were unable to take the Falklands (Malvinas) successfully

[mitch96]

25. Ruzza 1917.. WW1 and revolution. The military would not obey the ruling class/party... nt

[Lovie777]

2. A whole of death and suffering......

and finally good prevails until next time.

[Jit423]

3. I can't give the response here but it begins with a word from a famous quote about lawyers: "First, ...

That is all I have to say.

[DBoon]

4. sometimes the elderly leader dies, and the nation becomes a normal country again

Franco's passing in Spain, for example

[Dave Bowman]

11. Yes, also the deaths of Stalin and Mao brought some relief to millions of people despite this two countries

still being distopias.

[DFW]

42. I used to live in Spain before 1975, and that is exactly right.

It helped that Franco had no heirs groomed to follow him, and that King Juan-Carlos had no real royal aspirations.

Spain had had enough of being a fascist relic, and wanted to move on. And so they did.

[BannonsLiver]

5. Violence, and lots of it.

[mitch96]

27. As Mao said "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun".. Thats one way to get rid of a dictator...nt

[Moostache]

7. Death....first the innocent, then the inconvenient...

eventually the dictator and his family are captured and killed as well.

IT NEVER ENDS WELL...and it is already started here.

[milestogo]

9. I saw a quote this week: Fascism never ends without violence.

I guess that includes revolution and war. Personally I'd rather it be a revolution than a war, but the way he is fucking with other countries I just don't know what is going to happen.

[sop]

8. Fascists authoritarians seldom go willingly, getting rid of them is usually bloody.

I hope Trump is the exception, but the way things are unfolding he'll probably have to be forced out.

[struggle4progress]

10. Dead fascists

[bluesbassman]

18. Hanging from the ankles in the town square was a nice exclamation point.

History tends to repeat itself they say.

[Solly Mack]

37. Yup

[Think. Again.]

12. Stopping it before it stops us.

[magicarpet]

13. Crushing, annihilating, and totally vanquishing their gluttonous ambitions to expand and conquer.

[jmbar2]

14. Timothy Snyder identifies a major weakness in "On Tyranny"-- no easy way to replace the leader

Although Vance is nominally the successor, it's not clear if he can coalesce the sycophants, oligarchs and cryptobros. They will tear each other apart.

Or, the Christian right could emerge as power brokers. However, they too have many competing factions that will be battling for power and control.

The solution, IMO, is a reselling of democracy. We need very charismatic leadership, and effective messaging that democracy is a much better way than being ruled by warring kleptocrats.

[milestogo]

15. Vance does not have the following that Trump has and I don't think he would if he were

president. But we're up against a whole party, not just a few crazies.

[jmbar2]

24. Once the "strong man" is weakened or gone, I'm hoping it will open space for Republicans who want to break away

Some of them MAY genuinely want to serve. Given the opportunity, certainly a few would like to jettison the embarrassment of MAGA.

[JT45242]

16. Usually losing a war if aggression....

They invade someone. Their country loses or is losing and they get replaced.

The other somewhat common option is death of main leader and power struggle between underlings collapses the fascist government.

[Prairie Gates]

17. Fascists almost always involved their countries in aggressive expansionary wars

which end up being disastrous. That's the model, really.

Only Franco avoided it, probably because of the vicious civil war through which he came to power, and partly because Spain had flushed itself of most imperial ambitions.

[Kaleva]

30. Franco survived because of the Cold War

[MauiPepe]

19. Fight Fire With Fire

Greg Palast has counted over 3 million suppressed/challenged votes. I suggest Democrats begin doing the exact same thing. There are far more of us than them. https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

[moondust]

20. Assad is gone.

There may be some lessons in the Syria mess but that region is obviously very complicated.

[canetoad]

21. There have been two that stood out

In the past forty years for being peaceful, majority driven removals of unpopular governments.

The Ukrainian Orange Revolution of 2004 - 05. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution

People Power (EDSA) in the Philipines in February 1986 resulting in the overthrow of the Marcos government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Power_Revolution

I doubt that consensus could be reached among a majority of Americans to peacefully remove trump.

[milestogo]

23. Give him a couple months.

He's working as fast as he can to destroy the economy and the country.

[Crunchy Frog]

22. Usually only by military defeat.

[harumph]

26. In this case? When folks are shitting radioactive isotopes.

Short of that I don't see it.

[H2O Man]

28. Decay.

It always follows that pattern.

[Kaleva]

29. Killing them

[Initech]

31. Kicking them off the airwaves.

[RainCaster]

32. Public disclosure

Yes, it took military victory to end WW2. But what changed the world view of Germany and Japan was a worldwide show of their awful actions.
Publicize all the details of everything the GOP is doing. While they have no shame now, that will change as the world pushes back on their actions. Mexico is refusing immigrant flights, soon our security services will find themselves isolated. It will take time, but the world will react.

[Efilroft Sul]

33. You can vote your way into fascism, but you're going to have to shoot your way out.

[TommyT139]

34. Now that's a bumper sticker.

[milestogo]

43. People voted their way into the Third Reich.

I'm reading about this and its pretty depressing. Hitler was good at speeches.

[iemanja]

35. War, specifically WWII

[dalton99a]

36. Closure is achieved by a good public hanging or a quick dispatch a la Ceausescu

[Hekate]

38. It isn't pretty

[delisen]

39. Trump is acting as if he has been given bad news about his health

and is rushing to destroy as much of the country and harm as many of us as he can before the lights go out.

[LudwigPastorius]

40. Probably World War 2.1

[keep_left]

41. Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, etc.

MAGA media accomplices like Charlie Kirk should be reminded of this as well.

It took the bombing of Dresden to disabuse many Germans of their love for fascism. That's something to think about.

https://democraticunderground.com/100219718068#post2
https://democraticunderground.com/100219670010#post89

[JanMichael]

44. The US is an odd one due to the size.

No other Fascist country has had the resources that the US has had with a thoroughly embedded military and massive defence budget. Then add two big assed bodies of water.

American Fascism can only be defeated from within. No one will come to save it.