I predict the military will remove Trump.

[orangecrush]

Not that that's a good thing for America, but it may become a necessary thing when the real shit starts.

Just a hunch.

[sakabatou]

1. I don't see a military coup

I can see them no longer obeying his illegal orders.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

2. No way n/t

[JCMach1]

3. You understand they start removing blue Generals next week

Hegseth is there to purge the military.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

4. And therein lies part of the problem

There shouldn't be blue generals or red generals - there should be generals who are committed to the Constitution and to their duties.

[JCMach1]

6. Note by blue I mean anyone slightly associated with Biden,.or Obama

Or who maintains neutrality in the face of requested absolute loyalty to Trump.

[Diraven]

66. There will be loyalty oaths

Anyone who doesn't swear allegiance to Trump will be sacked.

[orangecrush]

77. Can't sack the whole officer corps

[orangecrush]

5. That's why

.Because that's exactly what they're afraid of.

They can't remove the entire officer corps.

[EarthFirst]

7. That's an extremely terrifying proposition...

…which has an extremely sensitive timeframe to complete with Hegseth’s confirmation last night.

Again; terrifying that we’re even discussing the proposition.

[magicarpet]

56. We do not want a red or blue military junta.

A bipartisan government and a bipartisan military under civilian command is what we want.

We do not want a Banana Republic headed by Generalissimo trDUMP and his ass kissing sycophants.

This is why trDUMP is so dangerous. He wants to break down all the rules and norms to make the government function to best suit his purposes only. Fuck everybody else. Fuck the US Constitution.

[Dave Bowman]

8. Doubtful but who knows? We're living in crazy times so anything can happen.

[milestogo]

9. I hope so.

[Jarqui]

10. GOP will let him be assassinated. JD Vance can take over implementing Project 2025

Trump didn't get elected by himself.
He would not be President if the GOP did not want him to be.
They enabled Trump.
When they think the time is right, they'll take him out and say to JD Vance "Let that be a lesson for you!"

[Hope22]

30. T has been talking a lot about assassination lately.

Threatening Releasing the reports from past killings. I’m not sure why he keeps bringing it up. I think he may plan a disappearing act of some kind. Who knows.

[LiberalArkie]

65. Since they have no qualms killing innocents to create a head injury for Trump, I predict AF 1 going down in the Atlantic

with all lost. And who knows if Trump was on it.

[Hope22]

72. Living happily ever after with Epstein and the Enron joker. Nt

[Baron2024]

81. The Butler Assassination Attempt

I still wonder about the Butler PA assassination attempt. Why would a right winger try to kill Trump? My guess is that he thought it might trigger a new Civil War, where he presumably thought the right wing forces would prevail. So that is just a guess. Who knows what motivated the shooter? Now such a Civil War seems possible. Hopefully it can be avoided somehow.

[LiberalArkie]

84. Don't forget the Divine healing of Trump.

[WinstonSmith4740]

45. It has to come from within.

My guess is the intelligence community. Those are the folks who can make it look like a heart attack.

[Initech]

71. I've been predicting he'll get 25th amendmented if things get too crazy.

And that might be sooner than later. Trump is just a figurehead for authoritarians to gain and keep power. They will cast him aside when no longer needed.

[orangecrush]

78. That was my thought

The military may tell his cabinet to 25th him or he will be removed.

[TomSlick]

11. Don't count on it.

The US military will not engage in a coup.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

12. Thankfully n/t

[Celerity]

15. There are scenarios where that 'thankfully' would likely be misplaced.

Just one example:

SCOTUS affirms 'foetal personhood' nationwide, thus banning almost all (or even ALL) abortions in all 50 States plus DC, etc.

Multiple Blue States refuse to comply.

Trump sends in US troops, and authorises kinetic force to bring the Blue States to heel. The Blue States resist with their own kinetic force. Thousands (tens of thousands perhaps) die, and multiple secessionist movements surge to life nationwide.

OR

IF Trump does not send in US troops, IF he refuses to force compliance, the the Red States will very likely start ignoring the federal laws THEY disagree with, possible with deadly consequences for thousands of Red State citizens.

Either way, chaos ensues, and a runaway Supreme Court could likely make other (as they have now crossed the Rubicon) insane decisions.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

22. Misplaced in your mind oerhaps

but not in mine.

[Celerity]

23. So you would be fine with a literal complete dictatorship, one that has zero qualms about using military force to crush

any and all states and/or other entities (or a myriad of individuals) that refuse to submit to said dictatorship on anything that said dictatorship demands and/or does?

Are there no red lines for you?

There ARE situations, unfortunately, that only a military coup d'état can put paid to, once the end of string of Constitutional laws and regualr order is reached. At that point, only extra-Constitutional actions can save the day.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

24. That's never going to happen

but if want to go into endless what-ifs, please have at it.

[orangecrush]

31. Ok

Never happen!

[Celerity]

32. You (nor does anyone else) have no idea what is going to happen and what is not going to happen, at this point.

My example (one of so many I could give) is well within the realm of the possible (if not the probable) now.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

33. You're certainly

entitled to your opinion.

[Celerity]

35. as are you

[orangecrush]

37. It would be entirely possible

To forcibly remove him and return to normalcy if the situation merited it.

[Celerity]

42. I was only arguing that there are situations where that might be desirable. Unfortunately I don't see that removal

happening atm, especially given the coming purges.

[jmbar2]

53. Foreign assassins are also not out of the realm of possibility

Or lone wolf US military fragging incident.

[Celerity]

58. That would not stop the dictatorship (the one in my example). In fact it might hyper-charge it, as all the main players

other than Trump would still be in place, still be in power (and now they would have a 'martyr' to deify and use as a reason for all-out head-cracking, round-ups, and other ultra-authoritarian nastiness and skulduggery).

[Baron2024]

80. The Butler Assassination Attempt

I still wonder about the Butler PA assassination attempt. Why would a right winger try to kill Trump? My guess is that he thought it might trigger a new Civil War, where he presumably thought the right wing forces would prevail. So that is just a guess. Who knows what motivated the shooter? Now such a Civil War seems possible. Hopefully it can be avoided somehow.

[orangecrush]

43. Would they "deport" him

On a C-17?

[orangecrush]

18. Ok

They won't

[standingtall]

20. If their force too I bet they would

A scenario like the Arab spring that happened in Egypt would leave them no choice or a choice between remove Trump or kill over a million Americans, but that will not happen here, because I don't think Americans today have the backbone for it.

[orangecrush]

28. I suppose

Time will tell.

[BattleRow]

63. Revolutions are fought by those whose bones are easily counted..

[Silent Type]

13. Military is at least 50% trumpsters. Another 30% will likely follow orders, no matter what.

[Celerity]

14. I don't see a scenario where this could happen now that so many 'loyal to the Constitution' types are going to be purged

The US is rocketing into Gilead territory.

[RJ-MacReady]

16. hopefully

[liberal N proud]

17. Not with hegseth in place

That was why they had to push him through. To protect the felon

[orangecrush]

19. He would be what triggers it

[Initech]

69. Hegseth is a real life Neidermayer from Animal House.

[Maru Kitteh]

21. I'll not be holding my breath on that one. Nt

[orangecrush]

27. Not even

If he orders them to attack a NATO member?

Or something equally insane?

[Maru Kitteh]

44. Correct. Pax Romana is over. We have met the Barbarians

And this is your military now.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19944072

[WarGamer]

25. not a chance.

[orangecrush]

26. Ok

Not a chance!

[JI7]

29. No they won't

[orangecrush]

39. Of course not

I was just kidding.

[RockRaven]

34. Utter nonsense.

[orangecrush]

38. Yep

Nonsense!

[KentuckyWoman]

36. I don't see it.

They've spent years refusing to fill vacancies at the Pentagon for the sole purpose of packing military leadership with Trump supporters. I really want to be wrong, but I don't see any pushback from the military coming to save us.

Trump is beating the war drums in earnest. He either actually wants to invade Canada and Greenland for the natural resources, or else he wants the world to think he will. Military contractors are going to be awash in taxpayer money.

Like I said, I really want to be wrong.

[orangecrush]

40. Time will tell.

[J_William_Ryan]

41. "...the military will remove Trump."

That’s not going to happen.

[Joinfortmill]

46. I thought the same thing today - in desperation, I think.

[Baron2024]

48. A Counter Operation

If Trump continues to act illegally and violates the Constitution, we may have a legal and moral right to remove him. He would be a Dictator not a President. Our main hope for a Counter Operation is that there are a significant number of soldiers and law enforcement that are loyal to the Constitution and not to the Dictator Trump. We have a right to self defense and to defend the Constitution.

Also Blue State Governors and Mayor's may order State Police and Local Cops to resist. They also command their States National Guard. We have like what, at least 20 states under Democratic control? That is not nothing, especially if we can get a large resistance against the Dictator Trump within in the federal military and law enforcement. Which really should be the main plan.

That should be the basic plan. I tried to post this idea for a counter operation idea last year before Trump got elected but was mocked and called unrealistic. Well reality is here. We should have acted sooner but there still might be time to stop them.

[slumcamper]

49. This scenario is as likely as any in the chaotic context we find ourselves in. Very fluid. n/t

[ForgedCrank]

50. I'll take that bet.

No one is going to overthrow the government

[Xipe Totec]

51. Nope

[H2O Man]

52. Recommended.

As a general rule, when a decaying empire has had an authoritarian take the reins of power, it is a matter of time until a military coup. It usually isn't led by a top general -- that is more common in non-empires falling apart -- but by a younger general.

It can happen here, of course. But we still have a period of time for citizens to take steps that encourage elected officials at the state and federal level to take bold actions. It will be one of these two options.

[Ace Rothstein]

54. I'll take "Things That Will Never Happen" for $2000.

[orangecrush]

75. Never happen.

Never.

[Nigrum Cattus]

55. As of today a RWRE is in chage of the military

RightWingReligiousExtremist -

[Baron2024]

57. Blue State Alliance

One way to Resist-

Since Trump seems hell bent on destroying the Federal Government, I believe that State Governments should step in to protect our citizens. I have proposed what I called a Blue State Alliance. After the Federal Government, the biggest Government in the Country is the California State Government. A close second is the New York State Government. Both are controlled by Democratic Governors and both their Legislatures are completely controlled by Democrats. This is important. An Alliance between the Blue States could be formidable and could compensate us for the cuts that Trump is making to the Federal Government.

The following States have Democratic Governors- Arizona, California. Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Washington, and Wisconsin. Add to that all of the major cities that have Blue Mayors and you are dealing with a lot of potential power.

A Blue State Alliance could almost be an inter-state treaty organization where these states pledge to assist one another to provide for the rights, security, health, prosperity, and well-being of their citizens. We might even be able to convene some sort of Convention to hash out the Alliance, sort of like the Constitutional Convention of 1787. We might be able to develop a new form of Democratic Government.

[sanduca]

59. If the military stays true to the constitution...

They will have to remove trumputin.
Hopefully they love America enough.
Hopefully they understand the constitution.

[surfered]

60. Praetorian Guard?

[BattleRow]

61. Anyone here ever seen the film,"Seven Days in May"?

[Shoonra]

62. I don't anticipate a military coup but ....

I am willing to bet that J.D. Vance is busy studying the 25th Amendment, on how to replace an incompetent President.

By the way, about Trump's blanket pardon for approx sixteen hundred January 6th rioters; keep in mind that, in a bunch that large, there's bound to be some seriously warped individuals. If/When one of the sixteen hundred commits some heinous act, Trump will have acquired his very own Willy Horton.

[sanduca]

64. In the 1970s....

Ecuador had a president that the government considered insane. The military took over the government, the president was exiled to Argentina.
Three branches of the military represented the government.
They actually did good and they governed till the next election came.
Google it to learn more. Some military coups are good and necessary.

[Miami Blue]

67. The US Military does not have to follow the POTUS's unlawful orders

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/norm-defying-military-disobedience-in-a-norm-defying-presidency--what-role-does-the-ucmj-play

Note:
Even though the POTUS is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces. According to the US Constitution, he is still considered a civilian
leader in control of the US Military and not a military officer.

And that's that!
SAD

[Initech]

68. Yeah military coups are *NEVER* a good thing.

Look at Myanmar for your answer to that problem.

[mackdaddy]

70. Probably not, but I would not want to take any trips on Air Farce One either.

Friendly fire accidents happen.

[Ms. Toad]

73. Yep. Just like they did last time. n/t

[GoCubsGo]

74. More likely, his own cardiovascular system will remove him.

Or, whatever pills he's crushing and snorting these days...

[LSparkle]

76. I've been praying for that ... n/t

[Rebl2]

79. I wish

Maybe if it starts affecting military families and extended family they will get fed up and toss him out, but doubtful.

[Martin Eden]

82. On Hegseth's orders?

Good luck with that.

[Buzz cook]

83. I'm betting on Vance and Theil

Using the 25th.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

85. Former military here

That's never going to happen. The number of people willing to cross that line in the military is vastly outnumbered by those who won't. No general is going to be able to cobble together enough manpower to pull it off. The rightward lean in the military is the highest among senior enlisted and junior officers. NCO's are the backbone of the US military and they lean heavily right. Combat MOS's also lean heavily right. Neither are just going to go along with a military coup. Your chances of pulling off a coup with a bunch of geriatric flag officers and personnel mainly from non-combat units is pretty slim.

[orangecrush]

91. Der Fuhrer's officer corps

Was pretty right leaning.

[Patton French]

86. LOL

NT

[Autumn]

87. Nope not going to happen. The military will defer to him and Eloony

[kentuck]

88. I predict that he will start removing Generals very soon...

So that he will have complete control over a friendly military.

That is necessary for him to have the complete power he is seeking.

[Dem4life1234]

89. He is behaving worse than his first term

The sooner the better.

[the_liberal_grandpa]

90. When Hegseth order them to shoot civilians

What will they do?

[milestogo]

92. It may be someone else's military, since TSF seems to be going out of his way to piss foreign leaders off.

Every time he opens his mouth, I cringe.