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[JohnSJ]

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[Srkdqltr]

1. Yeah right, ah, no. Not giving up Amazon or Facebook because you don't like them.

[JohnSJ]

6. It has nothing to do with like or dislike, it has everything to do with those companies heads that support the sociopath

in the WH. Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, etc. have publicly stated their support for this administration, and by supporting their products you are supporting this administration.

I see you identify as a union supporter. Are you happy with Musk?

[RandomNumbers]

34. Bezos is no longer the corporate head of Amazon

Since 2021 I think

Easy to check me on google.

[Walleye]

53. They don't care about our piddling business anymore, they have the whole US treasury to loot

And I can’t stop paying taxes just because I hate the president.

[2naSalit]

2. K&R

On that page all along.

[hlthe2b]

3. I agree. Amazon is the problem. Alternative-- Walmart? Target? Our local stores have been decimated.

And none of the alternatives are "clean" in terms of their capitulation or disgusting political stances.

[Scrivener7]

26. Just saw that Target is ditching DEI.

My options are shrinking. But I guess that makes it easier to stick to my resolution to financially support the felon's economy as little as possible.

[bluesbassman]

4. Fair enough. If you're paying Federal taxes you're supporting the sociopath and his administration.

You should stop paying your taxes and get back to us about how that works out for you.

[JohnSJ]

7. You can stop patronizing businesses of heads that support trump, that isn't illegal, not paying taxes will get you

either in jail, a heavy penalty, or both.

It isn't the same thing.

[Scrivener7]

27. My, what an asinine strawman you have!

The better to derail a conversation, my dear.

[still-prayin4rain]

62. Yep, the logical fallacies and ridiculous arguments being lobbed

to avoid hitting delete on a social media page is alarming. I'm afraid humans brains don't stand a chance against the AI onslaught that's coming.

[tritsofme]

5. Just what we need! More scold threads! Yawwwwwwn

[JohnSJ]

10. Don't worry, I won't be frequenting this place much anymore, so you won't have to complain about my opinion. Have a

good day.

[GusBob]

13. Cool

Bookmarked

97074

[Scrivener7]

31. Feel better?

[elocs]

15. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and now we've seen yours.

If only you could shame people into doing things your way. I, for sure won't be reading any of your opinions anymore.

[samplegirl]

28. This right here is what caused

people to leave D.U.

Let the guy have his opinion

[Scrivener7]

30. Feel better?

[hlthe2b]

18. Nonsense. You have every right to express your opinions and I certainly want you to hang around...

We need each other right now, even if some think we should all be in lockstep on everything. That isn't going to happen. Big picture, though.

[SheltieLover]

24. +1

[Scrivener7]

29. Jesus, people are being assholes in response to your OP.

It is clearly true, but there's obviously a lot of discomfort around this.

Don't go.

[Dem4life1970]

8. Most of these guys...

...like Bezos, Zuck, and Musk definitely diversify their investments. It is hard to make an impact on guys like this in our current economic environment without making changes to the tax code.

[Srkdqltr]

9. And. How many of you still watch Gunsmoke?

[elocs]

17. Ironically, I'm watching it right at this moment.

It's been a favorite of mine since it started back in 1955 and with Pluto I can watch it all the way from beginning to end.

[IrishBubbaLiberal]

11. I haven't stepped into a WalCrap store in decades

I don’t use X/twitter.
I almost never even share ANY screen captures of X post, if possible
I never share a link to X anymore

I rarely ever buy anything, and don’t have an Amazon account.

I don’t do FACEBOOK, never have.
I don’t do photo sharing on ANY media platforms

Do occasionally get something at Target.

Think TESLA is a dangerous deadly vehicle,
With extremely bad quality build, and questionable service warranty

I just do NOT go to Wal-Crap stores.
In fact I can only recall once on vacation in Colorado that I
entered a WalCrap store to acquire some fishing gear,
And that was over 10 years ago.

I do go to COSTCO,
My only complaint about COSTCO is I don’t need any of those gigantic packages
I have wasted my money buying Costco big packages of food or meat products,
Just do not need a dozen lamb chops.
I don’t need giant packages of ANYTHING!

[Blue Dawn]

12. Concerned parent here.

My son has a Tesla and is an absolutely wonderful person who despises Trump. He purchased it before Musk's current bromance with Trump.

Not all people who use Facebook, purchase from Amazon, post on X, or buy Teslas are Trump supporters. We all are aware of that, I'm sure.

The only reason I even bothered to write this post is because I previously read someone say that if you see a Tesla that you should "key it." Really?? What kind of crazy talk is that?

We should not assume that we know anything at all about a person's belief systems or political affiliations merely based upon their purchasing habits.

I do not post very often but do want to express my genuine concern about my son's safety.

No criticism toward you at all for expressing your opinion.

[IrishBubbaLiberal]

16. My sibling bought a Tesla last year at cheap cheap price

Tesla last year was pushing Model 3 in California.

My sibling got a “deal”

Paid less than $24,000 out-of-pocket for Model 3
With all the Fed and state tax incentives,
Plus I believe a Los Angeles area tax incentive

So sibling made a financial decision to purchase,
And environmental decision to purchase Tesla

[standingtall]

61. Someone who can afford to shill out anywhere near 24k

Can afford to buy a car from a company that isn't owned by a Nazi. As far the environmental decision. I'm not convinced Tesla's are even that good for the environment, but the could be if they didn't cut corners. Even if it's true. Using that justification to buy a Tesla would be like defending Bayer aspirin in the 1930s , because they were among the first to treat epilepsy. While ignoring they developed the chemicals used in Hitler's gas chamber and paid SS Physicians to inject prisoners with diseases/

[jmbar2]

14. Disagree. X is a channel for strong resistance.

Last week, there was a bot-driven campaign to get progressives to leave X on Reddit and other sites. It appeared suddenly and all-at-once on multiple sites. A scolding to quit X.

Three days later, all of those posts suddenly disappeared. This was an op. They don't want people to post facts and critique on X. They want to drive everyone to BlueSky and create another Faux News site on X.

Progressives are posting on both sites and argue not to concede territory.

Elon is losing money on X as advertisers flee. Progressive resistance on that site hits him harder than silence.
https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/24/24351317/elon-musk-x-twitter-bank-debt-stagnant-growth

[IrishBubbaLiberal]

20. Reddit posters don't want X due to the Musk fascist

From Reddit post….

Answer: It says it in the first link. Elon Musk is a nazi and now people aren't wanting to associate with him anymore, including subreddits like those and others. There's nothing else to it. People are tired of Elon Musk's downward spiral into being a nazi and now he's officially made it clear he is one.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1i6qxji/whats_the_deal_with_subreddits_banning_x_posts/?rdt=47083

[jmbar2]

23. Fight back. Don't concede the battlefield to him.

[eShirl]

41. he literally owns it

[jmbar2]

51. More reason to engage in public resistance

He doesn't make money from your tweets. He is bleeding cash from X.

He wanted to create his own private echo chamber and it's not working. The more people stand up to him, the less influence he has.

[leftstreet]

21. +1

[Scrivener7]

33. Musk is a Nazi. Shouldn't need to say more.

[jmbar2]

38. He is indeed. Don't conceded the battleground. Speak up against him.

[Attilatheblond]

19. I don't go to X anymore, but refuse to cancel my account

Because I do not want a bot or a maga to sign up with my name and besmirch my reputation with bullshit posts.

[tulipsandroses]

22. I agree but, it is hard to escape every product/ service owned by the oligarchs. I think we need to be very strategic

People use products and services everyday and don’t realize that are owned by these billionaires.

I mentioned in another thread that the popular streaming service TUBI is owned by Rupert Murdoch. TUBI is an absolute no for me.
Both Tim Cook and Bill Gates have kissed the ring.
TUBI is easy for me to get rid of. I have a Mac, IPhone and IPAD. My business uses Microsoft and various Google products.

I absolutely will not buy a Tesla. People who bought them before we figured out the true nature of Elon, can’t sell without taking a hit, since Teslas have lost so much value.

The Koch brothers have been financing trump and the GOP long before these guys. They own a lot of products we use daily, paper towel, tissue for example.

My first gut reaction to Target getting rid of DEI was a total boycott. But then I watched Tabitha Brown’s video and changed my mind. A total boycott would hurt the minority businesses they currently have, which gives them more reason to remove them if sales drop.
I will only buy products that are owned by minorities in Target.

Many of the sellers on Amazon are small businesses. I think getting rid of the Amazon membership is a better alternative. You can still support individual sellers and just pay the full price for shipping. Amazon has other subscription services like Audible that people can boycott.

[pinkstarburst]

50. Amazon is full of small businesses and independents

Amazon has other subscription services like Audible that people can boycott.

The vast majority of authors and narrators on Audible are "the little guys." They are independent authors and narrators, many of them POC, people with disabilities, women supporting families, and neurodivergent authors. They are the ones hurt when you cancel an Audible subscription, or a Kindle Unlimited subscription, not Bezos, who only owns like 6% of Amazon at this point.

[still-prayin4rain]

57. Agree, EVERY would be a big effort. Boycotting the obvious should

be a no brainer.

[still-prayin4rain]

25. Yeah, I had to delete all my social media. Every

time I logged in, I thought about Zuckerberg making money, and it just wasn't worth it anymore.

Deleting my Twitter was the most painful. I've been on Twitter since 2009 and didn't have a lot of followers but had some cool followers (Obama). So, it was tough.

[CrispyQ]

42. So what causes more harm--staying on Twitter or isolating ourselves? -nt

[still-prayin4rain]

47. I'm on Bluesky. If Zuck and Eloon lost enough users, it would have tremendous

impact on their wealth. The only thing that makes one platform valuable over another is users. Fewer users leads to fewer users which leads to much, much, much less value of these platforms, and therefore wealth and power for these bad actors.

The only way a new platform can be viable is users. Bluesky may be an echo chamber now, but if everyone deserts Twitter, then more and more users will come over. And Eloon will lose more and more wealth and power.

These people's primary wealth is in our control, I think it's worth exercising our control.

[FullySupportDems]

32. Problem is, it wouldn't make a dent

Scattered efforts at boycotts wouldn't be effective. And it wouldn't get any mass media attention.

[Scrivener7]

37. Unless everyone who had a problem with, say, Nazis decided not to support Nazis.

That would make a dent.

[FullySupportDems]

56. True

I love the idea of boycotts and strikes. So much better than violence, though strikers are frequently attacked. But I think it's the unifying of effort and targeting to make them effective that's problematic. Many large businesses are falling in line with the fascist agenda, and I don't think boycotts can hurt enough of them enough to make a difference without a huge public movement that we just don't have. Yet. Maybe it will come. International companies would be an even bigger challenge, because if we aren't the biggest customer boycotts won't be as effective.

Also, in some cases we're already avoiding those businesses as much as possible. There's not much different people like I can do. Like the Hobby Lobby I won't go into and haven't for years, because they're lgbtq hating monsters who funded hate legislation in Uganda. Never getting my business again.

Those are the problems I see, as a person with average understanding that I am.

[standingtall]

35. No one should still be using X or facebook

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or instagram etc. Social media platforms are not essential in any way. No one should be buying a new Tesla especially progressives. Amazon gets a little bit more complicated, because it can be argued that in today's world that Amazon,Walmart,Ebay and Ali Express etc are somewhat essential now and there won't be many online market places or brick and mortar stores that haven't bent the knee to Trump.

[tulipsandroses]

39. I agree. The boycotts in the 60's were very strategic

That is what is necessary here. They own everything. It’s almost impossible to not use a product or service they own.
Elon is a threat to our democracy and safety. I think he definitely should be strategically targeted.
In my earlier post, But I argued that rather than a total boycott of Amazon, canceling subscriptions is a better option. Amazon is made up of small businesses. You can still support those businesses and pay the full price of shipping without the Amazon Prime subscription.

[standingtall]

44. I think some of those companies may also sell on ebay

and offer free shipping without or at least below the mandatory spending limits of non amazon prime accounts.

[still-prayin4rain]

60. Agree. It's scary how many people aren't willing to give up a social media page to save their country.

[CrispyQ]

36. What about Walmart?

They were the demon company for sooooo long. There was lots of Walmart shaming on this site. Let he who never spends money with a compromised corporation be the first to give up all their goods & services.

[tishaLA]

40. I'm trying to phase out my Amazon dependency

The only real comparable alternative, unfortunately, is Walmart and they suck just as much

Left FB years ago and Elmo's mess as soon as he bought it. Cancelled WaPo and LAT, too. They own so much in so many sectors that they're nearly impossible to escape. Even websites are on AWS -- Amazon Web Services.

[MichMan]

43. You mean like Reverand Al Sharpton?

He still posts on Twitter

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19947435

[standingtall]

46. He should stop posting on X

In fact all Democrats who are involved in politics should stop posting there including the ones in Congress and even Ex-Presidents too.

[BannonsLiver]

45. Interesting thread.

[pinkstarburst]

48. Let me make sure I have my list...

Can't use...

Amazon
Walmart
Target
McDonalds

X
Facebook
Instagram
Threads
TikTok

While we're talking social media, let's not forget that the whole reason Twitter is in the current state it is was because Jack Dorsey decided to cash in and sell it to Leon, knowing exactly how problematic he was. Sit with that for a minute. And so now he's started up Bluesky, which I have zero confidence he won't dump as soon as it becomes profitable, just like he did with Twitter.

Also, anyone with the privilege to be able to ban companies like Amazon, Walmart and Target must be very comfortable, happily able bodied, and not rely on grocery delivery like disabled people do. If you want to do that on your own, pick and choose whatever forms of protest make you feel better, but recognize the privilege that allows you to do so.

[BannonsLiver]

54. Also you can't use Costco

They’re in a dispute with the Teamsters. Did you not see the “fuck Costco” thread a few days ago?

I think I’m just going to barter from here on out.

[bif]

49. And yet another thread descends into a catfight.

[Bluethroughu]

52. Tell everyone to talk to you over the phone or text with pics

[still-prayin4rain]

55. Not even willing to sacrifice a social media page or shopping convenience

to save our country, means this country is f**ked.

[DeepWinter]

58. Sorry, not sorry

I use Twitter, Facebook, Amazon, and no doubt other businesses you don't like.

If I boycotted every business, service, App, food, object I've been told to boycott since the 1970's I would be a hermit in the woods. And someone would complain about that.

[still-prayin4rain]

59. It's not every business we don't like. It's the billionaires

social media companies who have loudly pledged to destroy the country.