I WILL NEVER FORGIVE TRUMP VOTERS: We now have concentration camps.

[Coventina]

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5113897-trump-guantanamo-bay-migrants/

President Trump said he is signing an executive order on Wednesday to prepare a massive facility at Guantánamo Bay to be used to house deported migrants.

The order will direct the Department of Defense and Department of Homeland Security to prepare a 30,000-person migrant facility at Guantánamo Bay, a facility in Cuba that has been used to house military prisoners, including several involved in the 9/11 attacks.

“We have 30,000 beds in Guantánamo to detain the worst criminal illegal aliens threatening the American people,” Trump said during an event to sign the Laken Riley Act into law, stiffening the nation’s immigration laws.

“Some of them are so bad we don’t even trust the countries to hold them because we don’t want them coming back, so we’re going to send them out to Guantánamo,” Trump added. “This will double our capacity immediately. And tough, it’s a tough place to get out of.”

[orangecrush]

1. Careful what you wish for, Dump

You and your cabal may yet find yourselves there.

[Brogrizzly]

2. Karma will not be kind, agree wholeheartedly.

[Initech]

10. The entire republican party needs to be brought to justice for this.

They and their stupid news networks and think tanks are destroying this country.

[JustAnotherGen]

41. You're too kind

I'm hoping in ten years they get the Mussolini treatment.

[mahina]

3. If we don't hold a space in our minds for the possibility of moving ahead together after all this we are giving up.

We are organized for candidates or issues. Organizing by identification with reality is a new one. Still, we already know what happens if we walk away from those on the other side.

I mean, of course you will feel however you feel, I get that. Still. Give it a thought. Thanks.

[Coventina]

4. I cannot / will not work with Nazis, their enablers, or supporters.

My personal code of ethics will not allow it.

[Basso8vb]

8. Nazis are a hard line for me as well.

[mahina]

15. Yeah, I'm not suggesting that

Thanks though

[LearnedHand]

37. What were you suggesting then?

Because it read a little bit like appeasement.

[mahina]

57. Imagine this country moves past the point where we would elect that man. How would we get there?

"If we don't hold a space in our minds for the possibility of moving ahead together after all this we are giving up.

We are organized for candidates or issues. Organizing by identification with reality is a new one. Still, we already know what happens if we walk away from those on the other side.

I mean, of course you will feel however you feel, I get that. Still. Give it a thought. Thanks."

I am not asking you to hug a Nazi ffs.

Look at societies after wars end. They are not hard to find. Otherwise, what do you think will happen? We already tried not talking politics. People are living in two different realities and that is very dangerous, as we have learned at already great cost and it's just begun.

Accusing me of appeasement is not particularly endearing.

Cheers.

[LearnedHand]

59. I think I understand where you are coming from

But I'm having a hard time sussing out what actions you're recommending. I agree there will be hard work "after," but I confess I don't know the way out of this. The moral injury runs very deep, and those who played us against one another intended this very outcome. Nevertheless, I would appreciate a better understanding of how you envision moving past this.

[mahina]

60. I'm dusting off Talking To The Enemy

There is almost no forum for us to talk with each other now.


"Talking with the Enemy: Negotiation and Threat Perception in South Africa and Israel/Palestine
by Daniel Lieberfeld (Author)

The decisions to negotiate in the South African and Israeli/Palestinian conflicts can be understood in terms of changed perceptions of threat among political elites and their constituents. As perceptions of an imminent threat to national survival receded, debate over national security policy became a focus of internal politics on the government sides in each case and prompted changes of leadership. The new leaders, F.W. de Klerk and Yitzhak Rabin, faced emerging threats at the national and international levels that made negotiation seem advantageous. Lieberfeld analyzes the decisions of the opposition ANC and PLO in terms of changing threat perceptions and incentives for compromise.

Lieberfeld also evaluates developments since the breakthrough agreements. He concludes by identifying revised indicators of conflicts' ripeness for negotiated settlement and discussing their applicability to other cases of intense, protracted conflict."

[LearnedHand]

61. Ah thanks

I don't know that work but I'm vaguely aware of the Truth and Reconciliation principles from South Africa. Except I can't envision how we will get there. We are so much more Rwanda right now than South Africa.

[LoisB]

30. Right there with you on that.

[KTinaY2008]

11. Part of moving on and healing

is making sure that people who might be responsible for human rights violations are punished and punished harshly. I believe a lot of the reason we are where we are now is that the federal government did not punish the Confederacy as harshly as it should have because it wanted to move on and heal. That was a mistake. We can't make that mistake again.

[PJMcK]

19. The Civil War

Funny name for a war that was anything but civil.

I completely agree with you that the period after the Civil War was mishandled. The leaders of the Confederacy should have been tried and convicted of treason. Instead, towns, schools and roads were named after the villains. Statues were built to memorialize the "greatness" of these traitorous leaders. A myth was created that the "South will rise again" as if their treason was glorious. That myth still hangs over those states and along with the Civil Rights Act of 1964 has solidified the South into a backwater of poorly educated ignorant people who consistently not against their own interests.

Further, the half-assed way the freed slaves were treated exacerbated the racism that persists to this day. Imagine how different our world would be without that "original sin" haunting the United States!

[gopiscrap]

42. OMG I have been saying this for years

[usedtobedemgurl]

25. As heard on Stephanie Miller today....

I cannot be friends with someone I could not trust to tell where Anne Frank's family was hiding. You would trust them with this information?

[Lovie777]

5. Criminal say what?....

[underpants]

6. We have 15,000 beds there? There are only just over 8,500 US military there

The military facility has[as of?] over 8,500 U.S. sailors and Marines stationed there.[44][45] It is the only military base the U.S. maintains in a socialist country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base


He thinks he can just double the number by signing an EO?

[VGNonly]

50. He probably thinking the Sheriff Arpaio treatment.

Thousands crammed into tents in terrible heat being fed bread and water.

[Initech]

7. Same! Fuck this wretched administration and all who made it possible!

Also fuck the Laken Riley Act too!

[LakeArenal]

9. Trump already established camps of Latino children separated from their families.

Many lost or unable to reunite with families.

Yet here we are. Again.

[brush]

18. They might re-open Alcatraz. It's just sitting there. Much additional space to put///

deportees who they apparently see as prisoners now.

[jmowreader]

24. I think the National Park Service and Alcatraz Cruises would have something to say about that

There is A LOT of money being made off Alcatraz as a tourist attraction, and the only thing Worthless Fuck loves more than himself is money.

What I don't get: Why doesn't Alcatraz re-open the kitchen as a restaurant? Admittedly they'd have to buy all new equipment but that's not hard. Find the cookbook the prison kitchen used and serve Real Prison Food on a buffet line - the people running Alcatraz when it was still holding prisoners served top-notch chow. Lots of people would eat that to get the Real Alcatraz Experience.

[Igel]

47. But at Gitmo they'd no longer be within the US borders.

I suspect that's the point, without reading much further.

[oberle]

38. A friend of mine.....

......works in DC with a church involved with reuniting those children with their families. She says it's a horrible job.

[B.See]

45. True. lost and unable to reunite because

the fascist in the O Office had NO plans on ever reuniting them.

[TheProle]

12. List of immigrant detention sites in the United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_immigrant_detention_sites_in_the_United_States

[Diamond_Dog]

23. When is Mel gonna visit with a stupid slogan on her jacket.

[Mike 03]

13. Atrocious. The symbolism of this won't be lost on too

many Americans.

He's losing all over the place--especially with his war on Federal workers. So he's jumpy and trying to come up with something "shocking," but I think he's making a g*ddammed fool of himself.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

14. And I will never forgive those that decided to sit out the election instead of voting 4 Harris,

they are just as responsible, if not more so, for putting that blob of pig shit back in the WH.

[oldmanlynn]

16. These media outlets like the hill and Reuters should stipulate in their articles when they're quoting Trump

That Trump is a known liar and makes up stuff that is inaccurate and not true

[pfitz59]

17. I've been to Gitmo

No way can the base house 30,000 inmates and guards. No water. No housing. Very expensive resupply. It's a desert.

[Karasu]

56. Yeah, it doesn't seem remotely possible to me, either. But we aren't exactly dealing with sane people here.

[patphil]

20. An American Auschwitz, but tucked away where no one can see what goes on there.

This has been it's purpose for decades. Nothing new, same old evil.

[LearnedHand]

39. Is it also outside the jurisdiction of American courts?

That was a feature of Gitmo for the WoT detainees.

[patphil]

44. Due process doesn't exist at Gitmo.

[Evolve Dammit]

21. In 1 week. Project 2025 in action, and they are ALL IN. It's civil war alright. Just with suits for insurrectionists

[MacKasey]

22. They should be called Nazi Concentration camps

[Karasu]

26. That place has always been a stone's throw from a concentration camp, ever since George W.

Leave it to Trump to finish the job.

[NotHardly]

27. Seriously, this is madness and it must STOP

[maxsolomon]

28. They're applauding. That is, if they're paying attention.

Most aren't. I know my 88-year-old Dad isn't.

Also, MFer and his EO are full of shit. There aren't 30K beds there; there aren't 30K "criminal illegal aliens".

It's all a show. It's a spectacle based on Pro Wrestling: theatrics for dumb people.

[Blue Full Moon]

29. They told everyone before

They have been saying concentration camps for years. Alex Jones their mouth piece use to go on about it. They accuse the democrats of a lie. Then they actually do it.

[Nigrum Cattus]

31. Here is a book about concentration camps

https://audiobookstore.com/audiobooks/one-long-night.aspx
American law doesn't apply @ Gitmo
What a giant waste of money
What good does it do the U.S. to keep people @ Gitmo ?

[Lokee11]

32. He truly is One Giant Pile of Orange 💩!

✊FDT!

[paleotn]

33. We've had a concentration camp since Dubya.

[MLWR]

34. In my opinion

the Japanese internment camps were a form of concentration camps.

[Hekate]

40. As my mother told me when I was under 10 -- yes they were. Just minus things like deliberate starvation & gassing...

They lost everything they’d built up over 2 generations — houses, farms, businesses. It was a stain on our history, and not the worst one. My mother did not hide that from me. Nonetheless — not purposely murdered.

I think Mango Mussolini has proven himself to be vicious and cruel, and has chosen people like Hegseth and Kennedy et al. who are also vicious and cruel. I don’t trust them as far as I can throw them to care for any living being, much less human beings. Any camp built by them or run by them would be in peril of being as cruel as they. Sieg Heil and all that shit.

[SoFlaBro]

35. There's no worse American citizen than a fucking shitbag MAGA voter. Piss on those fucking turds.

[Sailingfish]

36. The United States has one long continuous history of human rights abuses.

A bipartisan affair throughout its history. Trump and his latest administration seem to be going for an undistilled version of inhumanity. Still, one of the worst things with the hyper-partisan political divisions within the rank and file of this country is the selective outrage completely detached from all historical reality. America was never great, and its soul was always infected with the gangrene of human rights abuses. That's a fact, despite the revisionist history pumped into the masses by the educational and institutional citadels of its ruling class.

[TomSlick]

43. I've read the article and didn't find the answer to my question.

Who will staff the migrant concentration camp at Gitmo?

If it is to be staffed by military personnel, I believe this would be a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, which forbids using military personnel to enforce domestic law.

If I represented an undocumented immigrant held in a concentration camp at Gitmo and if military personnel are the jailers, I would file for a writ of habeas corpus.

[Dem4life1234]

46. I hate them with a passion

Fuck them fuck them fuck them all. Dumb fucking uneducated bigots.

[rasputin1952]

48. There is no "30,000 beds in Guantanamo..."

Nor can there be.

The facility was holding a capacity of just over 500 at various times.
Multiply that by 60. House, feed, clothe, and guard such an absurd number is virtually impossible. A Division would be required just for logistics. Add another 10,000 US military members. Now we're up to 40,000+ on an island that is not exactly enamored with our presence in the first place.

Does T**** wish to invade Cuba, a sovereign nation just to make himself look tough?

He's an idiot.

[LeftInTX]

58. In 1994, it held at least 30,000 Cubans. Don't know if the 21,000 Haitians were there at the same time.

Up to 21,000 Haitians were held in Guantanamo at one time during this wave of the Haitian refugee camp.[19] More than 30,000 Cubans were detained at once at the camp.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_refugee_crisis#:~:text=Haitians%20stopped%20being%20held%20at,low%20as%205%25%20in%201994.

Everyone lived in tents or hangars.

[rasputin1952]

62. Thanks...

I had forgotten about those days.

I still have to wonder about space though; things must have been built during the 30 intervening years.

The biggest problem is logistics. Feeding, housing, repairs, clothing, an increase in guards (all of which will have to paid for by the taxpayer, as opposed to the "Billionaire Class&quot , and unforeseen problems inevitably arise.

The overwhelming number of Hispanics will also increase communication problems and Cuba's primarily Spanish-speaking
population would fill any pot-holes in communication, which is inevitable.

Things like this require a lot of thought, something T**** is incapable of. He spouts out these things, and others do the "thinking", or rewrite the script.

Then again, he's a "very special genius" with the attention span of a fruit fly, what could possibly go wrong?

[Walleye]

49. Kept bitching about how we feed and house migrants. Now they want to do

Just that

[Mad_Machine76]

51. once they're there

Then what?!

[stillcool]

52. set up shop and have captive labor

[Mad_Machine76]

53. Or

Abu Gharib 2.0?

[stillcool]

54. there went dinner

[LeftInTX]

55. Gitmo has been used on immigrants to prevent the spread of AIDS

Currently there are about 100 migrants there who arrived to the US by sea in recent years.