I deleted a thread yesterday because I was catching flack. Gonna post again though.

[boston bean]

Is it possible that the helicopter pilot committed terrorism or suicide.

We know the helo pilot was off track and flying higher than ever allowed. Plus two new videos showing an acceleration directly into the plane.

I think these are fair questions. And I think Trump would want to cover up a purposeful act.

[snowybirdie]

1. You be you

Good luck

[boston bean]

2. I don't understand why people take such offense to the thought of it or the questions?

[Lemons UK]

4. It's a legitimate question & theory.

[Irish_Dem]

6. We have a right to think and ask questions.

I don't know why that is discouraged here.

[Think. Again.]

9. Some people have very defensive egos ...

...that can't allow opinions or thoughts they haven't considered themselves.

[brush]

57. The black boxes/voice recorders will tell us what happened.

Do you have any evidence that suicide of terrorism play a part? Why even go there?

We'll know in a couple of days, no need to get ahead of things like trump did...DEI, transgender etc. bs.

[LonePirate]

3. I'm curious how much time before the collision was the last verbal communication from the chopper.

[yellow dahlia]

17. Another good question. n/t

[LeftInTX]

59. I believe it was about a second.

[appmanga]

64. It was mere seconds

The pilot of the helo was confirming he had a visual on the airplane. I believe this video has the comms between the jet and helo:
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[Think. Again.]

5. Without any other indications to lead me in that direction..

..I wouldn't want to say yes or no, but of course it is an open possibility, although I think a lone actor would have gotten some resistance from the other 2 pilots in the helo.

[maxsolomon]

7. Trashing.

nt

[drray23]

8. Very unlikely.

This was not a solo pilot. It was a training flight with 3 crew members, two of them at least, pilots ( the trainee and the instructor).
That instructor would have intervened.

[Think. Again.]

10. I agree.

[yagotme]

11. Plane was approx. 150 ft higher than helo, slightly before impact.

Helo lifted to plane's altitude in last few seconds. Theory IS plausible. Black box on chopper, when recovered, should provide insight. I floated this theory to my wife yesterday, she couldn't believe I would question that. It IS a possibility, however slight. Bet the investigators are pursuing it.

[Think. Again.]

15. Yes, people have been known to crash vehicles on purpose.

It isn't a wrong idea to follow through on at all.

[boston bean]

18. There was that one pilot that flew a plane full of passengers into a mountain to commit suicide.

It happens.

[EX500rider]

27. That was Germanwings Flight 9525. But not the only incident

EgyptAir Flight 990 for one, but a lot more:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Airliner_accidents_and_incidents_involving_deliberate_crashes

[Meowmee]

30. I think it is more likely it was an accident because of the way it appeared to happen

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It would be harder to go out and find a plane in the right place to crash into etc. The pilots I have heard about who suicided, like the ones mentioned, did not I believe crash into other aircraft, they dove into the ocean or flew into a mountain etc. Maybe there have been others I've not heard of who did crash into other aircraft intentionally.

In addition, trying to suicide by flying into another moving ac could fail because the other ac could see you and move out of the way. It would be more likely to fly into something stationary.

I recommend watching this video analysis by a pilot of what probably happened .

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219968822

[Meowmee]

19. Someone here says there is no black box on those helicopters though

which is surprising to me since it can help figure out what happened in the event of accidents etc.

[yagotme]

22. The post I read was they stated when THEY were flying. Didn't give a time frame.

News reports are stating they are still searching for helo's black box. Would be silly to search for something in freezing water that doesn't exist, IMO.

[LauraInLA]

24. Given that the NTSB briefing talked about the heli's black box, I think that poster was incorrect.

[ForgedCrank]

49. The Blakhawks do

have them, they are flight data recorders. But the NTSB will not be reviewing them, the ISB will retrieve them, and data is handed off to SIB for internal investigation use. They will run independent from the NTSB, but will sometimes provide data... sometimes. The DOD is not obligated to hand over any of the data for outside use. In other words, they consider it need to know information, and they get to decide who needs to know and who doesn't.

[Native]

44. The helicopter does not have a black box.

[yagotme]

65. They found one, sooo... nt

[Maru Kitteh]

45. There is no FDR or CVR on the helicopter. Nt

[yagotme]

66. So, what is the black box they say they've recovered? nt

[Oopsie Daisy]

12. Is it possible that he was having sex with a blow-up doll at the time of impact? (Just asking questions.)

I suppose ANYTHING is possible, but is it likely? And is it responsible or helpful for anyone promote CT's or other fact-free speculation.

Is it possible that the helicopter pilot had a medical emergency? (Just asking questions.)

Is it possible that the helicopter pilot over-corrected from a mechanical or computer guidance failure? Maybe th autopilot started to deflate. (Another fair-question.)

[canetoad]

13. No criticism from me

It's a good question that won't be answered until the full investigation results are published. I hope this wasn't the case and it was a terrible accident.

[yellow dahlia]

14. I think your questions are fair to ask.

I don't know why you caught flack. You weren't making any claims - you were just asking questions.

There are a couple of things that are difficult to "square". I hope the answers will present themselves.

And one of the things that has seemed a little too convenient for me - the crash distracted from the chaos created by the grifter and his administration take over....and the scary prospect of some of his Cabinet nominees.

I think asking the questions is always important, but even more so now.

[0rganism]

16. Remotely possible, but there are far more likely explanations

You really have to go long to rule out sufficient human error from various sources and arrive at some flavor of intentional murder-suicide.

[Quiet Em]

20. Suicide by the helicopter pilot did cross my mind

My husband disagrees. It just looks like an intentional hit to me. But I am just a lay person. I have zero aviation experience.

[Meowmee]

21. I don't think it is likely but I have no problem asking those questions

and I am sure or hope the investigators are looking into any possibilities.

[Grammy23]

23. I'm not going to flame you because ..

One of my first thoughts when they released the early video was that it appeared that the helicopter accelerated just before impact with the jet. Even as grainy as the video was, you could still the outline of both the helicopter and the plane. They showed that clip over and over and it looked the same each time. My husband and I both commented at the time that it almost looked deliberate.

My next thought was don’t be silly. It was an accident. But we should have learned by now that things like suicide missions and deliberate sabotage can happen. It still deserves to be examined for that. We do not have access to all the data but we do have eyes to see and are entitled to express our opinion. The NTSB will sort it all out and I’m going to assert that sabotage and suicide will be considered, among ALL the other possibilities. They’d be remiss in their duties if they don’t.

[MineralMan]

25. Seems highly unlikely to me.

It seems more likely that the pilot misunderstood the ATC person and did the wrong thing to avoid the plane.

[allegorical oracle]

26. Am open to any topic unless it gets too MTGreen-ish. Your topic seems more like tossing around

ideas. To that end, a question: What would the motive have been? Suicide or murder?

[peacebuzzard]

28. My instinct is that critical information is missing.

The video does show a fast-moving helo but it is a grainy image from a distant angle.
I do not think that both aircraft pilots were aware of other a/c until it was too late...

[boston bean]

32. There are two more much clearer videos. Hard to watch.

[peacebuzzard]

58. It is horrifyingly dramatic especially because it shows true reality.

It is very sobering and all were instantly extinguished.

[H2O Man]

29. Fair questions.

Malcolm X said the only stupid question is the one that remains unasked.

I do not think that it is likely to have been the case. But that is just my opinion.

[madaboutharry]

31. People see your question as defamatory to the crew in the helicopter.

From my understanding, the Black Hawk pilot was in communication with the tower and verified having eyes on the plane. That to me indicates that something untoward happened or that the pilot and tower were talking about two different planes.

I don't think anyone is thinking anything other than this crash was caused by a most likely terrible mistake.

[boston bean]

33. I Don;t think his answering is determinative.

[madaboutharry]

34. I'm sorry, but I don't know what you mean by this.

I personally don't think there is anything wrong with your question, It was just my sense of what others might think.

[boston bean]

35. There could be other reasons he responded. I don't find his answering alone to be determinative.

[Renew Deal]

42. Nothing was ever proven about MH370 either

Pilots were known to be good people, etc. etc. We still don't know what happened there.

[Disaffected]

36. Yes it's possible.

No, it's not likely.

Yes, it is premature.

No, it's not helpful (IMO).

BTW, "acceleration" into the plane could have been caused by several factors such as mechanical/controls failure or a visual effect caused by the helo, or the aircraft, changing direction in relation to the camera, or movement of the camera itself (same sort of thing that confuses UAP sightings).

[allegorical oracle]

37. Katy Tur reporting we may have info from the black boxes/recordings within the next hour.

[crimycarny]

38. It is almost humanly impossible to time a crash like that

In talking to friends who are very knowledgeable about aviation, these types of helicopters, jet airplanes (many being pilots themselves--one an ex-military pilot who now flies for Southwest) they tell me it would be almost humanely impossible for the helicopter pilot to time things just right to hit a moving aircraft. When we hear of pilots purposely hitting objects intentionally, it is always a stationary object they hit (building, ocean, etc).

So extremely unlikely the helicopter pilot somehow knew the AA plane was going to be where it was, exactly where it was, and time the impact while both were moving at high speeds.

[boston bean]

40. It could have just presented itself as an opportunity not did not have to be planned out, no?

Why was it flying higher than allowed and why was it if planned track?

I am not trying to make up reasons. I don;t know. But these are doubts in my mind.

[crimycarny]

61. Why would a terrorism strike or suicide be "unplanned"

it's like saying "Hey, look a lightning bolt! Let me rush over so it will hit me".

It's just ludicrous. I feel for the families of all killed, and the parents/family of the helicopter pilot have their pain made worse by anonymous internet sleuths, who have zero clue, speculating about intentional acts on the part of the pilot.

[yardwork]

39. Everyone has questions. It's reasonable to ask in good faith.

For instance, there's helpful info in some of the responses here.

I think there's a big difference between a good faith question like yours, and some of the trolling "I heard one of the pilots was trans" posts we've seen here. Big difference.

Personally, since nobody asked and I have zero expertise or knowledge (but I watched Pushing Tin), I'm guessing that the understaffing in the control tower, caused by MFer, played a big role. That's incredibly busy air space that requires well-staffed control towers to guard against human error. Because human error is inevitable. That's why we have safety guardrails.

[Renew Deal]

41. It's a fair question considering the video

[Wifes husband]

43. ?

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What possible good can such speculation do at this time? The families are suffering right now and the Moron in Chief is playing political games with their deaths.

We will find out the cause of this accident soon enough

Let it go

[NoRethugFriends]

51. Thank you.

[ForgedCrank]

47. I don't

know why you would delete it. This is supposed to be a discussion forum. I've gotten to the point where since people denigrate Christians daily by mocking and calling foul names, making false caricature references etc, I've decided I don't give a single damn what they think. If I get banned, I get banned, so what.
And in my opinion, since we know little about this right now, your question is 100% valid and possible. Personally, I would think that the odds are rather low, but it is 100% a legitimate possibility. Hell, we had a guy blow up and entire federal building, and two towers full of thousands of innocent people destroyed by the same. Not sure why anyone would consider this outside the realm of possible

[Kid Berwyn]

48. Perhaps the helicopter was on Auto Pilot.

Unfortunately, the program made an error.

[NoRethugFriends]

53. It was not

[NoRethugFriends]

54. Of course.

[marble falls]

52. Curiously enough, my super MAGA MiL, made that same claim to me last night.

[tintinvotes]

55. Or

I read somewhere that Blackhawk helicopters have an auto pilot like what Tesla is trying to do with cars.

[SocialDemocrat61]

56. Anything is possible. Evidence?

Without evidence, questions are just conspiracy theories.

[RockRaven]

60. Well, that sort of thing has happened with aircraft before, but I don't find it useful

to speculate when we know there is more evidence and analysis to come, in relatively short order. Might as well wait for the more detailed picture which will soon be available.

[Mike 03]

62. Glad you re-posted this

I saw it moments before it was deleted and thought it was fair game for discussion.

I was very puzzled by the first two videos to come out--but the problem is that it's hard to understand the helicopter's trajectory in those 2D films. It looked to me like the helicopter pilot HAD TO HAVE SEEN the aircraft, which prompted in my mind all sorts of questions.

Then today, though, I saw two films that were also hard to interpret but didn't leave me with quite the same impression.

But with everything that is happening right now, and the pressures on everyone in government--including our military employees--I think it's not in poor taste to ask this question.

[LudwigPastorius]

63. There are a lot easier and surer ways to commit suicide.

I think it would actually be difficult to fly directly into the middle of a medium-small airliner traveling at 170 miles per hour. If you were behind it and matching its course, you could maybe overtake it.

But, hitting a fast-moving object dead center, with a fast-moving object, at an oblique angle, would take some serious skill if you weren't doing it in a movie.