Any predictions what will happen if Musk stops Social Security payments?

[orangecrush]

Read he is trying to get access to the payment system.

I gather this is completely within the realm of possibility now.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143385041

An even better question - has anyone in the Democratic leadership come up with any ideas or proposals to get this filthy punks hands off of our government?

I'm listening.

[RJ-MacReady]

1. its time for blue states to jail him

[TheBlackAdder]

85. No amount of public or private security would have his ass from his own MAGA base.

[Meowmee]

2. I am waiting for answers to that also

I don't see anyone doing anything about elunatic yet. Maybe I have missed it.

[orangecrush]

8. Same.

[montanacowboy]

3. Crickets.......

don't count on it

[Walleye]

4. Then my landlord wouldn't get paid. It would be an economic disaster to a new.

[orangecrush]

6. Which is what they want

[Walleye]

22. I have no doubt that you are right

[Glorfindel]

5. Widespread deaths among the elderly and disabled populations.

MAGAts will be so proud!

[LakeArenal]

40. Which I don't get.

Do MAGATS want their two widowed MILs to move in with them?

[Irish_Dem]

43. MAGAs think they will be spared, only the people they hate get punished.

[birdographer]

92. It seems to me that MAGAts

tend to often be retired white men (and women) who are under-educated and therefore not receiving pensions from high-paying professional jobs… are they aware that they will also lose their SS? They will be homeless when they can’t make their mortgage or rent payments, they will not be able to afford the expensive food (such as there will be with the trump taxes on imports) in the grocery stores… OR are they, as usual, utterly and completely in the dark about this whole thing since FOX and other RW sources are never going to tell them? I guess it will be the ultimate Finding Out if that is the case.

[Irish_Dem]

94. They believe they are immune. Trump will take care of the cult members.

They think he loves them and will look out for them.

They are delusional.

[Meadowoak]

156. They never think that far ahead.

[OMGWTF]

58. Old and sick people are overhead and all these fkers care about is profit.

[Bengus81]

73. If Social security dies so does Medicare. Some may not know it but people on SS

have money taken out their social security check each month for Medicare. In 2025 it of course goes up again..now $185.00 per month. Doing the math that's approx $12.4 BILLION per month that would stop flowing into the program from people over 65. Some will be on SS at 62 but if I remember right the Medicare deduction isn't taken out until turning 65.

[Meadowoak]

158. I'm 62, and they take out the $185 for Medicare, and I'm disabled.

[liberalgunwilltravel]

120. It doesn't have to be widespread death.

The right two would do just fine, and that would avert further crises.

[durablend]

7. They want uprisings so they can impose martial law

If tariffs don't do it, they're going to take away SS and Medicare. If that doesn't work, they're going to wipe everyone's bank accounts out.

[orangecrush]

9. After it starts

Every Republican in the country will be swept from office.

And you know what will happen then.

I wonder if they thought of that.

[yellow dahlia]

61. Right. So many are working under the assumption there will be another "real" election.

[mitch96]

134. Yup, when the "fix" is in, you always win...nt

[Blue Full Moon]

89. Exactly

[Irish_Dem]

45. You are assuming there will still be elections.

[yellow dahlia]

62. There we go again, I_D, with the same thought. n/t

[Irish_Dem]

63. Vulcan mind meld.

Or great minds think alike.

Maybe we could just take turns posting, we take alternate days.

[The Madcap]

78. Sharp blades?

[Baron2024]

103. Correct

The main Resistance would be in Blue States controlled by Democrats- States like New York, California, Illinois, Michigan and others.

[Baron2024]

107. Maybe

But if he orders the military to go into Blue States to suppress the Resistance that would be an illegal order and there might be a rebellion in the military. Pro-Trump soldiers and officers versus anti-Trump soldiers and officers. One group loyal to Trump, the other group loyal to the Constitution and their oaths. Possible Civil War.

[Baron2024]

129. You Are Probably Right

Democrats scorted out of Congress is a milder possibility. Summary execution for "treason" by a Trump controlled military is also a possibility. This is how Nazis and Fascists act. My main hope is that if Trump takes such an extreme action that there would be a rebellion in the military. Pro-Trump soldiers and officers versus anti-Trump soldiers and officers. Soldiers loyal to Trump versus soldiers loyal to the Constitution and their Oaths.

[TommyT139]

153. Anti-Trump soldiers will be neutralized...

...one way or another.

Recall that Trump was ready to have protesters shot, and has mused about firing squads for officers. (Ditto Hegseth, iirc, but I'd have to look.)

There may come a time when you will need to consider protection a lot closer to home.

[NickB79]

101. In a country with 400 million guns?

Good fucking luck.

[travelingthrulife]

159. They are imposing the dictatorship as we speak. I don't see any brave gunners coming for them.

[NickB79]

160. *cough cough......Let's Go Luigi.......

There's a reason he became a folk hero in short order.

[kairos12]

157. I see that as the endgame as well.

Economic collapse, followed by martial law.

[Gore1FL]

10. The third Battle of Bull Run. nt

[bucolic_frolic]

11. Grand Larceny, theft in progress

Maybe someone will call it in.

[underpants]

30. I have no doubt he's looking to steal a lot of the money

and that could be by buying crypto as has been talked about by them.

[Irish_Dem]

47. I am sure the justice dept will get right on it.

[bucolic_frolic]

51. I was thinking it's a local crime

so more like the constabulary force HQ.

[Irish_Dem]

54. Ha, Trump will send the US military to fight the local cops.

[Hekate]

74. I believe we are. The events are very Soviet.

[Hekate]

86. Same here -- same age

[Hekate]

166. I have decided I would really like to live to see the end of this phase of our history....

But at the age you and I are now, it’s a real crapshoot whether that will happen soon enough.

[sakabatou]

14. If Muskrat stops payments, people will die

[Irish_Dem]

48. This seems to be the goal.

[hadEnuf]

111. And that may very well be the straw that will break the camel's back.

[ForgedCrank]

15. I'll take

bets.
Trump isn't going to stop SS or SSI payments.
Just fear mongering, nothing more

[Baron2024]

133. Hope For The Best

Hope for the best, expect the worst. And plan for the worst. I hope that you are right but I am skeptical. We are dealing with a Fascist Regime here.

[EndlessWire]

16. Millions of old people

are not going to eat, and will be living under bridges.

He's going after control of all the money. Then Bitcoin, or Doge, or whatever, comes in and he'll be a trillionaire.

[orangecrush]

19. Lot of lamposts

In D.C.

[IzzaNuDay]

52. and that is the scary part: linking to crypto

I could very well see Dotard Jr (-Elon) going for all assets, linking them to crypto, and likely wipe out the entire US economic system. Of course this is my wild ass guess, but I see nothing but nefarious from Dotard Jr.

[ForgedCrank]

80. What is

even more scary is that the US dollar isn't much different. It's backed by nothing except a promise, and nefarious people with motives that don't align with American citizens are deciding what it should be worth.

[sheshe2]

17. He has no authority or power to do so.

[durablend]

20. I'm sure that notion will stop him

[sheshe2]

23. Please explain to me how Elon can stop SS payments.

Explain the procedure he will go through to eliminate SS. I will wait.

[JCMach1]

25. They just gave him the keys to the payment systems..

NOT hyperbole.

Senior U.S. official to exit after rift with Musk allies over payment system - The Washington Post https://search.app/oyW2uJdrAHWyVGt56

[sheshe2]

27. Explain to me the authority he has to do this.

[orangecrush]

36. You tell me

And we'll both know.

But he did it

[Qutzupalotl]

50. At this point, it's a question of who can stop him.

Same for Trump. Many of his actions are illegal, He is doing them anyway.

[Baron2024]

106. He Doesn't Have The Authority

He doesn't have the authority. He does have the power. Shutting down the payments would be illegal. If they can do it, they will. They are an illegal Fascist Regime. They are in defiance of the law and the Constitution.

[kacekwl]

155. Congress if we had an honest one

should be preparing ASAP to remove trump and Vance from office. They have the power. Do they think they and theirs will be spared ? This has gone too far already.

[JCMach1]

132. DOGE is apparently outside the law...

[Joinfortmill]

165. Google may help you.

[Dan]

119. Well, as an old developer friend of mine accidentally discovered:

Open FileName Output.

[Rebl2]

33. When

has that stopped them. I think if the folks on social security lose it, many will die, maybe even kill themselves. It will include many that voted for Trump. Forgot to say this. Trump will not care if millions that voted for him die because he NEVER cared about them.

[Irish_Dem]

49. Trump will do whatever he wants to do and no one will stop him.

[Cha]

110. Good Luck 🍀 to Us

With that, she.

I just heard from a neighbor that they backed off ditching Medicaid.. is that true?

TY🙁🕯️🕊️💙🇺🇸

[sheshe2]

117. I don't know, Cha.

[Cha]

127. Well I did call Beltone today

For an appointment next week Not knowing what to expect


And she didn’t say anything about not being able to take Medicaid.. so I shall see next week.

TY 🍀💙

[Diraven]

18. I'm guessing he'll use it to punish blue states

Republicans in Congress will be ok with that.

[orangecrush]

21. FAFO

There won't be any repubs in office after he does it.

I would guess they'll either be voted out or drug out.

[paleotn]

31. How would that work exactly?

[orangecrush]

35. By elections and if elections are cancelled

Then a different way.

[paleotn]

145. They're not cancelling elections.

That's not going to happen. Wild speculation based on fear. You're doing exactly what they want you to do.

[sheshe2]

135. Blue states are wealthier and better managed than red states.

This will hit them a lot harder than blue states.

Also, many people rely on SS as their sole retirement income, some use it as a supplement to enhance their retirements. Taking that away from either of these groups is going to play havoc in some states on the economy, retirees spend money on food, clothing and essentials. Those that use it as a supplement have more money for restaurants, entertainment and travel.

They would be shooting themselves in the foot implementing this as they watch the economy tank.

[Arazi]

24. Jeffries says it's gawd's will so suck it up?

Maybe he’ll issue a sternly worded letter?

Or he’ll do a video?

Maybe Schumer will give a senate floor speech! That’ll show ‘em!

[tritsofme]

70. Right! Why don't they just waive a magic wand and fix everything? Jerks!

[LastDemocratInSC]

26. It will be forever known as The Grey Panther Uprising.

Broken windows and overturned cars.

[LeftInTX]

39. Really!!

[Ms. Toad]

28. He has zero authority to do that.

Litigation and injunction would be immediate, just as it was when Trump tried to override the constitution, and when the OMB ordered a cessation of federal funding.

[anciano]

34. Exactly.

Thank you.
All these "what if" hand wringing scenarios have become hilarious.

[Wiz Imp]

66. Hard to believe so many here just immediately jump on the bandwagon and assume ridiculous speculation

like this is true. This can not happen and will not happen.

[Arazi]

42. Many grants and research stipends are still frozen

Bluesky is littered with reports of entire science and research areas shutting down today

[Irish_Dem]

53. Yes the grants and stipends are still gone.

[Ms. Toad]

60. If the freeze was due to the OMB memo, they are covered by the injunction.

There is lots of sky is falling stuff. Some of it is true - a lot not.

If the grants and research stipends were frozen by the OMB memo, whoever is impacted should contact an attorney and have them communicate to the court or courts that issued the injunction . Posting on Bluesky is not an effective way of enforcing the law. Injunctions are not self-enforcing. If they are violated, the court needs to know through proper channels.

[Arazi]

126. Virtually all of the NSF grants are still frozen

As far as can be ascertained by a very disparate group of researchers and research teams nationwide. There’s no organizing collective that’s tracking this - it’s just a lot of people reporting and putting the pieces together.

And it’s very VERY strange no institutions have filed suit yet about it. Many of their PhD and post-docs live paycheck to paycheck. They can’t wait for a delay in the legal process

[DBoon]

87. I would be happier with immediate arrest and no bail

Musk walking in and taking over these systems must be illegal, though that hasn't mattered in the past

[sheshe2]

140. Thank you!

[C_U_L8R]

29. If my social security is stolen from me by these jackasses

I can't say what I'd do but there will be rails to run them out on.
Or keelhauling if we can get a boat.

[paleotn]

32. SS recipients, who vote overwhelmingly Republican, would go absolutely ape shit.

And that's why it won't happen. Same with Medicare.

Stop being trolled.

[durablend]

44. Ape shit and do what?

Bitch that Biden and/or Obama caused it? Because sure as SHIT Fox News will tell them that and you damn well believe they'll swallow it.

[Wiz Imp]

59. Not True. In the 2024 election, Age 65+ voted: 50% for Trump/49% for Harris. An almost even split.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls

[paleotn]

146. And that 50% is going to sit ideally by while their SS and Medicare is taken away.

Really? Secondly, do those %'s play out evenly in ALL states? No, they do not. Don't take council of your fears. That's what they want you to do. Take council from the rational and the possible. This is not Weimar Germany.

I see this on both the left and the right. This need to go to extremes and work yourselves all into a tiz. It's not necessary, certainly not healthy and counter productive.

[Wiz Imp]

147. I was simply correcting the mis-perception that SS recipients vote overwhelmingly Republican.

That is verifiably untrue. SS Recipients votes are likely pretty evenly split between the 2 parties.

I made no comment otherwise, so I'm not sure why you're directing the rest of your comment at me

[paleotn]

148. The usual retreat to "I only said X"

I'm not fooled.

[Wiz Imp]

154. Huh? You seem to mistake me as someone who believes the ridiculous premise of the OP

See my post #66. https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19970155

Why are you harassing me? I don't believe what you apparently think I do.

[elleng]

37. Off with his head.

Of course, he can't do such, NO one can, it's called a CONTRACT.

[Raven123]

38. Trump will sign an EO to rid SS of its DEI recipients

He blames everything on DEI.

[LeftInTX]

41. Really bad PR for Trump! There goes over 1/2 of his voters.

[birdographer]

96. What does he care now?

He thinks he’s in for good.

[LeftInTX]

99. Not if 60 million seniors come charging at the WH!

[Justice matters.]

121. The convicted felon, rapist, traitor, and fraudster doesn't NEED them.

Dictator on day 1 will do what dicktators do, without regards to what anyone outside his bubble says or does.

Orange jeebus loves kim jung un, pootin and Xeee, and wants to be like them.

[dalton99a]

46. Millions of Americans will want him dead.

[SheltieLover]

56. Millions already do.

[yellow dahlia]

55. .

[Grasswire2]

57. my Feb SS payment will be about $500 short with no explanation why.

I just learned this by checking the expected deposit into my account. expected in two days.
Devastating.

What's going on??????

[proud patriot]

67. kick

that's awful . I hope it gets resolved

[Bengus81]

71. Two days? You get your SS deposited on a Sunday? I thought all SS checks were on a Wed

Mine is always on the 2nd Wed,my wife's is on the 3rd Wed.

[SWBTATTReg]

83. Based on the date of your birthday, is when SS payments are made during the month...

[stopdiggin]

114. Yeah. That seems to be a little 'off' - on a number of levels. -(nt)-

I am not aware of any type of 'deductions' other than those for Medicare and related (gap plans, Advantage, etc.)
And ... It's been my experience that all of that is explained in a 'benefits' letter. Also never heard of it bouncing around from one month to the next.

[SammyWinstonJack]

149. Mine is the second Wednesday but is in my bank on Monday. I have USAA.

[Norbert]

68. War

I will bring the tar if someone brings feathers.

[Arazi]

69. Millions of seniors ready to tear these guys limb from limb

😈

[Norbert]

72. I can retire today

But my SS vs retirement funds is something like 65% - 35%. I can't retire unless I know they won't f*ck with SS. I trust Elon and the dipshit president as far as I can throw my SUV.

[bucolic_frolic]

77. Senior Stampede to local Congressional District Home Offices.

Seniors will be pissed.

[Hope22]

79. Around 2008 the Idaho State Legislature decided they didn't want to be part of the Medicaid program.

My sister was in a nursing home and she was private pay. When the Medicaid payments stopped the payments to the facility stopped for a huge percentage Of the residents. , the extra aides and nurses stopped coming and supplies to patients stopped arriving. It was immediate. The staff was completely dejected as people were laid off. The facility manager was physically ill from the worry about how far and long these cuts would stand. The effects were immediate and devastating. If they attempt a national shutdown of these benefits it will get ugly in a matter of days but emergencies will happen on day one. The community gets back 100% of the Social Security payments of a large percentage of the residents. Every business will feel it, utility companies will feel it, groceries, pharmacies and home health services will come to a screeching halt. The people who still have jobs and income coming in will be affected as well as local business collapses around them. 100% ugly for everyone but the people raiding the fund.

[Baron2024]

118. You Are Exactly Right

Killing Social Security would kill the economy and cause an immediate national emergency in health care and human services just as you describe. I would hope that there would be national outrage and a national uprising. When elderly people are starving in empty nursing homes across the country, that should be the lead story on national news. I would hope that there would be an immediate and outraged response across the entire country. These MAGA Fascists are threatening everyone's family, many grandparents. I can't imagine that there would not be a very strong national reaction, and a non-partisan one as well. There are plenty of Republicans whose parents and grandparents depend on Social Security.

[Hope22]

125. It is definitely a house of cards! Nt

[Baron2024]

81. Blue State Emergency

Blue run states could take some emergency action. For example, a Governor could declare a statewide moratorium on evictions to protect the elderly and the disabled from being kicked out of their residences. A state government could implement a state wide emergency food program to help feed the same people. This would be hard to fund and difficult to implement but a competent Governor and state government could probably do it.

[Jack Valentino]

82. MAGAs on Social Security would have his head on a fence-post in short order.

[Cirsium]

84. Look to history

One doesn't see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even talk, alone; you don't want to 'go out of your way to make trouble.' Why not? Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice — 'Resist the beginnings' and 'Consider the end.' But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men? Things might have changed here before they went as far as they did; they didn't, but they might have. And everyone counts on that might.

And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying 'Jew swine,' collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in — your nation, your people — is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.

They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45
Milton Mayer

[Oopsie Daisy]

88. Predictions: Death. Evictions.

[JanMichael]

91. That would be war.

[LPBBEAR]

95. Any predictions what will happen if Musk stops Social Security payments?

Civil War.

[stopdiggin]

97. Yes. 1) a very quick exit from any governmental position

and 2) an equally abrupt summons to appear in court ...

[kerry-is-my-prez]

98. Also to Medicare. They forced the administrator to quit.

So they apparently now have control over it.

[twodogsbarking]

100. Collapse of the US monetary system?

[Scrivener7]

102. Can't imagine Frank Bisignano is going to take that without a fight.

[Norrrm]

105. MAGAs will cheer... as long as it hurts the libs.

President Musk said we will suffer a little bit.

[Arazi]

130. Musk promised there's going to be "considerable financial pain"

Definitely far more than “suffer a little bit”

I believe him

[Dan]

143. They will not cheer.

Civil war starts with fire-bombing of the known MAGA homes in the blue states. And the reverse in the Red States.

Syria - years ago I said, we might end up like Syria.

No one will cheer and everyone will be afraid.

The the Oligarchs will steal the treasury.

[FraDon]

108. Long past time for another slave uprising!

Paging Spartacus

[RockRaven]

109. MAGAts and the media will blame Democrats for not stopping him.

[calimary]

112. I hope the public WAKES UP and gets EXTREMELY loud and angry!!!

WAKE UP, DAMMIT!!!

EVERYBODY!!! That means YOU AND ME!!!

[SnoopDog]

113. It would start a revolution...

Every single penny of Social Security is OUR money.

It is NOT a Federal expenditure.

If they cut just one penny, that would/should start a massive protest.

[0rganism]

115. Meesa people ganna die?

[A_Steel_Magnolia]

122. So Trump signs an executive order

blaming Biden and Obama for the crash because of DEI. Unfortunately for Trump, he took Obama's diversity program to new heights. It was called Diversity In Flight. Now that is how you pass the buck by signing a piece of paper.

[doc03]

123. Many old geesers my age that watch Fox 24/7 will think Biden took

all the money or whatever they are told.

[Bread and Circuses]

124. As the saying goes -- We're Toast

I have concluded that we’ve already lost the country, What we know about the OPM, OMB and GSA servers indicates that Musk has control of the government. OK, maybe not 100% but getting there fast.

You know they are scrubbing the servers as they copy/delete/edit at will. No need to steal national security secrets and store them in your bathroom now! Musk has everything and can easily be transmitted to our adversaries for 💰

[Emile]

128. It's what people voted for.

[Ritabert]

136. Actually there's lots of evidence that the election was stolen

Trump people got access to Dominion machines back during the lawsuits of 2021. Various billionaires got together to steal the election by manipulating the vote count. I saw a post detailing what they did. If I find it I'll post it.

[Emile]

142. +1 Are you saying that a person who orchestrated

an insurrection 4 years ago to overthrow our government, is capable of stealing another election?

[Ritabert]

162. He had help. Why do you think he allows Musk to hang around?

[Historic NY]

131. He'll be the next CEO

to shine bright

[alarimer]

137. Defenestration

Might be the only thing to stop him.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

141. The wealthy don't need social security. It's a drop in the bucket.

Medicare - they would get pissed. My Rep. mother used to be mystified at the SS checks she would get. “This is ridiculous - I don’t need it.” She sure needed it once she stopped making $400,000 a year….

[Norbert]

144. If they take away my SS andMedicare, I will fight to the death

what do I have to lose anymore?

[Bengus81]

150. Yep..killing SS will throw millions of Seniors out of their home,doesn't matter if its paid off or not

Around here trying to keep up with ridiculous property tax hikes will toss most people out--including me. Ah well you can just sell your home...right??

Sure,right up till the housing market collapses into a race to the bottom because of millions getting out. Those home flippers that offer 50-60 cents on the dollar on homes will be out like vultures driving prices down further.

[Trueblue Texan]

151. If they disrupt the payments we count on...

...who will feed the wealthy?

[marble falls]

152. The streets.

[the_liberal_grandpa]

161. If I owned a Tesla

I'd watch out for roving gangs off pissed of senior citizens.

[HereForTheParty]

163. Democrats will write a sternly worded letter

Nm

[Joinfortmill]

164. If that happens, I suspect people will revolt & Trump will lose half his base.

[Bonx]

168. Tom Cruise will wingsuit into Musk's lair and re-start the SSI machines.