If he isn't stopped soon

[cilla4progress]

the US will no longer exist as a Democratic Republic, beacon of freedom to the world.

It may already be too late.

[Skittles]

1. that's the entire point of Project 2025

yup

[Initech]

4. The Heritage Foundation is a terrorist organization.

[Bluethroughu]

35. The FBI Association endorsed trump and some of his appointments??

An insurrectionist??
WTF is going on with law enforcement?

[Initech]

42. How did every fucking law enforcment agency in the country get roped in to supporting the fucking asshole? HOW?

I will never understand this. Fuck these assholes.

[Shipwack]

105. Because a good portion of law enforcement...

... (not all, but enough) admire the trappings of facism* and/or are bullies.

They don't like constraints on their power, and Trump has repeatedly assured them that he shares that value.

*I don't think they consciously consider themselves fascists (nobody thinks they are a villain), but if you ticked off all of its tenets, they would nod in agreement.

[Initech]

112. "Some of those who work forces, are the same that burn crosses"

[JanMichael]

118. RATM!

[Hogart]

53. The FBI

Agents Association did not endorse Trump. The Association does not endorse political candidates.

[Bluethroughu]

56. FBI agents Association congratulates Director and acting director supporting trump on Jan 21., 2025

Then they've began firing the agents now.

?si=kFNdIqQ1d3g45QiT

[mahina]

101. welcome to DU

[JustAnotherGen]

2. Unless

One good man or woman in the CIA or Military does something - its gone forever. The Maga GOP is complicit. There is no such thing as a Republican anymore in elected positions.

It has to come from within.

[Polybius]

32. Please explain what you're advocating for

I'm confused.

[JustAnotherGen]

69. I'm sorry - post 38 should have been a response to you

A commitment to uphold the Constitution.

For clarity - they took the same oath The Felon did. Someone takes their oath seriously.

See other posts on this thread.

My dad was one of the First Green Berets - I spent my formative years in West Germany - including 1977 when the enemy was funding terrorist attacks against Americans in West Germany.

We ALL come from different backgrounds and experiences at DU.

Mine included being taught/brainwashed to hate Communists with a direct target of the Russians.

Musk and the Felon are beholden to them. So I dehumanize both.

Is that clear?

They are enemies to every single member of Democratic Underground.

Everyone must choose a side. Choose carefully.

[Polybius]

77. I was just trying to see what your suggestions were

I haven't even seen as much as a protest so far, and I live in NYC.

[JustAnotherGen]

82. I'm in NJ

Nothing here either.

Its all come so quick - that one big inciting incident has been uncovered yet.

[Polybius]

86. I remember in 2016 when Trump first won

Huge protests in Manhattan right after. The silence these days is so odd.

[JustAnotherGen]

38. A commitment

To uphold the Constitution.

[TomJulie]

50. Constitution...

There's no doubt Trump is doing many things we don't like. I may be wrong but I don't think he's breaking the constitution. I do wish he would slow down the frantic pace he's been on since he took office. As soon as I digest something he did a a mere hour ago, he's already done something new. It's maddening. Almost impossible to keep up with everything he's doing. I'm going to do my best to not let any of this get to me and try to hang on till the mid terms and hopefully we can gain control of the House or Senate and slow him down.

[Think. Again.]

61. Just waiting until the fire truck gets to your burning home is not a good idea.

We must try everything we can, now.

[JustAnotherGen]

67. In the depths of my soul

I believe we have just one CIA agent who is willing to leak a memo.

One Captain or Major who has the memo to turn against the American people.

Something is afoot (I believe we agree on that) - but we need another person to leave 100 pages - but this time - on AP News or The Guardians desk.

There is no Ellsberg embedded. My dad was Green Beret (first class onwards) -

He loved a country that hated the color of his skin. Someone out there knows something and has receipts. Someone is willing to break the law. Someone has something to turn the Military and CIA against this Admin.

I'm going to piss off folks who have empathy for Russians - I don't care. I lived in West Germany in the 70's as a little girl. We knew who our *spooks* were as little kids.

I was brainwashed to Hate Them. This Felon Admin and Musk are pro Russkie - completely compromised and in their pocket.

I.
Want.
This.
Admin.
Destroyed.
And.
Gone.

[Evolve Dammit]

89. Agreed. Totally.

[JustAnotherGen]

68. The Executive Order Attacking The 14th Amendment

Tell me you don't descend from Enslaved Americans without telling me point blank you do.

The focus on the children of undocumented residents born in the USA is the shiny object and a distraction. Is it horrific? Absolutely.

However, the 14th is what assigned humanity to my ancestors on my father's side of the family.

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the song of angry men?
It is the music of the people
Who will not be slaves again!
When the beating of your heart
Echoes the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start
When tomorrow comes!

There is more at stake for me and the intergenerational wealth handed down from my great great grandfather buying his first 100 acres where our family had been enslaved on since 1832 in Alabama. His grandfather had been "sold down the river" from Virginia.

I will not be patted on the head, given a cookie, and told me it is anything other than that.

They are thieves and slavers.

[travelingthrulife]

72. Well, when he comes for your guns maybe you will believe he doesn't give a rat's

butt about the Constitution.

[JustAnotherGen]

76. Yep

That's next.

[TomJulie]

79. I Don't Think So...

He'd lose too many supporters if he did that.

[Nigrum Cattus]

93. He doesn't need any "supporters" any more

[TomJulie]

78. I Do Own A Few Guns...

And your thinking he will come after all our guns is the least of my worries.

[William Gustafson]

108. there is this...

https://time.com/5174138/trump-guns-restraining-orders/

[TomJulie]

115. Here's What's Said....

"The White House is considering the idea of using restraining orders to take firearms away from people considered dangerous"

I'm all for that and that has nothing to do with me since I'm not considered dangerous. And no...I' do not believe all gun owners will be labeled as "considered dangerous".

[William Gustafson]

116. what they were saying there is...

If you get arrested for any "violation" without carrying a gun (traffic stop, jay walking, selling cigarettes on the streets), and they think you are a danger, they can take your guns from your home and not give them back... whether you are a danger or not, the police can decide that you are, and you lose your guns. I own a few myself for hunting, but even the second amendment folks I know would not be for this... I agree with you that not all gun owners will be labeled "Dangerous" , but its who is deciding you are.... a Judge can, but the authority's shouldn't...
And Bundy and Trump want to take your guns away, no matter what.

[TomJulie]

117. Maybe You Know Something I Don't...

Trump has never shown a desire to take our guns. Pam Bondi??? To be honest, I don't know that much about her. Has she done anything that leads you to believe she's a gun grabber?
Whether Trump is anti gun or not is something I'm not going to worry about. There's way too many other things he's doing that has me worried.

[Think. Again.]

62. Inactive Dems are also complicit.

[elocs]

92. Complicit, complacent, and over confident.

Here in Wisconsin in '16, there were a lot of Democrats who were so convinced that Hillary would beat Trump that they felt that freed them up to vote for a third party candidate like Jill Stein of the Green Party (who thinks Republicans who didn't vote for Trump would be anxious to vote for the Green Party?). Stein received more votes than Trump's margin of victory here in Wisconsin. This was done by Democrats to Democrats and it's completely likely that is happened again in Stein's loss.
Where did those 6 million votes go that Biden got in '24 that Harris didn't get? Why did it appear to be a victory celebration at Howard University on election night like Harris had it in the bag?

[LisaM]

97. And in 2024 in Dearborn, Michigan

they partnered with that jackass Kshama Sawant to guarantee Michigan didn't go for Harris.

[dalton99a]

3. Both Trump and Musk

[Baron2024]

5. Our Main Hope

Our main hope to stop them is a rebellion in the military. Anti-Trump soldiers and officers that are loyal to the Constitution and their Oaths versus pro-Trump soldiers and officers loyal to the Dictator Trump. We need patriot soldiers like General Milley, Lloyd Austin, Malcolm Nance, and Adam Kinzinger to take some action to mobilize the Anti-Trump forces before it is too late.

[ancianita]

17. I'm sure Lloyd Austin and Joe Biden are on this, making key calls to key military leaders about what to do.

Neither one is golfing, that's for damn sure.

[Baron2024]

22. I Think That You Are Right

I would like it if they would go on TV and speak to the American people. We need Obama as well. These leaders have some residual authority and great influence. We need to hear from them in the media, and soon.

[ancianita]

25. Hope so. If I know that national security team (based on Woodward's transcript based book).

TV would be nice. But .

Things like this have to be more stealth because they are more complicated than we can see when they're in motion. And no one in this lawless administration should get any kind of signal. I think it's better that they work behind the scenes.
There are plenty of US military who would follow Biden/Austin/Brown into the abyss of a military coup rather than live in dishonor under Trump/Hegseth as they (in no particular order) give illegal orders, dismantle DOJ, FBI, and through those, the judicial system and US Constitution.

[Baron2024]

36. Very Good Points

Thanks for your comments.

[sprinkleeninow]

49. "stealth"...

[IzzaNuDay]

59. They probably have their own encrypted messaging

we won’t know until the shit hits the fan.

[Blue_Roses]

66. Going on TV would

not work to our favor, especially this early into Trump's tyrannical takeover..The people who voted for him have not "had enough" of his shit yet. There are some who will never turn against, but I believe there are still some "normal" people who really have no idea what they really voted for.

[JustAnotherGen]

41. Exactly

It has to come from within.

There are people who took that oath seriously.

[dem4decades]

6. Who can stop him? He has the presidency, the Supreme Court and Congress are all behind this takeover.

[Skittles]

7. and a media that continues to whitewash his daily bullshit

yes indeed

[dem4decades]

10. They won't mention a thing.

[JustAnotherGen]

43. I spend a lot of time on threads

I understand the old school networks did not report on the coming hack.of the Social Security payments system.

Most Seniors have no idea its coming and the implications.

[Dem4life1234]

75. They definitely do this

I have noticed a CNN article where it discusses tariffs, sounded so wish washy and then at the end, of course, one of his rich goon supporters has the last word. I really despise the mainstream media so much.

This article:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/31/business/what-how-trump-tariffs-meaning


This quote:

"Lutnick echoed those remarks Wednesday.

“If Canada is going to rely on America for its economic growth, how about you treat our farmers, our ranchers and our fishermen with respect?” he said. “And so I think the president and our Trump administration is focused on improving the lives of our producers.”

In the end, Lutnick argued tariffs mean “the economy of the United States will be much, much better.”

Doesn't even make sense.

[Skittles]

94. excellent example

I do see where the WSJ editorial board is calling out the "trade war" bullshit so that's a start I guess.

[Dem4life1234]

109. That is a good start more so do the same

It's illogical to antagonize our allies in this way.

[Skittles]

110. WSJ has whitewashed Trump in the past

they too bear responsibility on allowing Trump to be president

[Orrex]

33. When the people are denied any legal, non-violent means of effecting change

then the people will find other means of effecting change.

It has happened before; it will happen again.

[birdographer]

96. My thoughts and words exactly

Let him just keep pissing people here and abroad off… it will not end well for him. He has an overinflated impression of his invulnerability. Just a fat old human.

[Orrex]

99. All it will take is someone with a moment's access & nothing to lose

He's given plenty of motive to all the world, except for about 77 million ignorant racist fuckheads.

[Frasier Balzov]

8. Is there a dietetic corollary to this governmental overhaul?

I'm thinking of how starvation triggers autophagy and weight loss.

Such therapeutic starvation is initiated in ways ranging from placid to radical, including surgery.

[Pinback]

19. One person's "therapy " is another person's abuse. (nt)

[0rganism]

9. I figure direct action has to occur in the next 3 weeks, or the country-as-we-knew-it is gone in 6 months

It will only take Trump's mafia about 6 months to fully implement "Project 2025" -- ALL of it. By the end of February, enough damage will already have occurred to make resistance extremely difficult. As time goes on, the ability of any successful action to address any given problem diminishes proportionally. So we're on the clock... tick tock.

Honestly, I don't think we succeed in salvaging anything important before it's too late. This country is going full Gilead by August.

[DENVERPOPS]

51. It would appear,

that THIS time, they are going for a coup de gras........................and are proceeding all out towards that end............

[0rganism]

57. Agree, they're all in for this effort

As they should be, really -- if they fail, the damage to their various causes would be considerable, with some going to prison and plenty of lawsuits for everyone involved. Rudy 2.0, and they don't want that.

But they have the political power, supportive federal courts, the financial backing, and a stranglehold on media. This is the perfect time to shoot the moon. If they win, it's for all the marbles. If they lose, the Republican party effectively dissolves, along with some large oligarchic fiefdoms. Big-ass stakes.

Right now they have a huge advantage, as a big chunk of the country didn't think they were serious early on and let them get away with all kinds of crap. As it dawns on them that the assholes meant every word, and shit continues to hit all kinds of fans from various angles, they'll have some regrets. That's the time when Democrats must have a strong coherent counter-narrative ready to go, maybe even a shadow-cabinet that produces regular critique of everything Trump's mafia does, enumerating the crimes and explaining how the shakedowns hurt people.

Thing is, the groundwork has to be complete before the end of February (I haven't seen signs of it happening yet), plus people need to see how they're impacted negatively by the policies (this does seem to be happening) and eager to hear an alternative (perhaps?) So it's pretty iffy overall.

We're playing "iffy" against "huge advantage". I don't like our chances.

[cilla4progress]

11. Do you think there are high level talks going on between Dem leaders - former Presidents and administration officials?

[yorkster]

23. Gawd I hope so.

[Arazi]

39. Jfc, no

I mean come on, what would possibly inspire you to believe there’s some kind of secret resistance forming?

It’s on us and new leaders now. Who those folks are isn’t yet determined. AOC? Pritzker? Walz?

[LT Barclay]

106. There is a conference building for a national workers movement based on distrust of both parties and their loyalty to

the wealthy. All I can remember is that I found the article on Bob Scheer’s blog and Chris Hedges is supposed to be there. The author is the only openly Socialist member of Seattle’s city council. If I wasn’t a poor indentured servant I’d love to go.
Kshama Sawant, currently on page two titled Fight the Rich

[NotHardly]

12. The "Social Contract"... for all those who are forgetful

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Social_Contract

and...

social contract, in political philosophy, an actual or hypothetical compact, or agreement, between the ruled or between the ruled and their rulers, defining the rights and duties of each. In primeval times, according to the theory, individuals were born into an anarchic state of nature, which was happy or unhappy according to the particular version of the theory. They then, by exercising natural reason, formed a society (and a government) by means of a social contract.

Although similar ideas can be traced to the Greek Sophists, social-contract theories had their greatest currency in the 17th and 18th centuries and are associated with the English philosophers Thomas Hobbes and John Locke and the French philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau. What distinguished these theories of political obligation from other doctrines of the period was their attempt to justify and delimit political authority on the grounds of individual self-interest and rational consent. By comparing the advantages of organized government with the disadvantages of the state of nature, they showed why and under what conditions government is useful and ought therefore to be accepted by all reasonable people as a voluntary obligation. These conclusions were then reduced to the form of a social contract, from which it was supposed that all the essential rights and duties of citizens could be logically deduced.

Theories of the social contract differed according to their purpose: some were designed to justify the power of the sovereign, while others were intended to safeguard the individual from oppression by a sovereign who was all too powerful.

[Bluethroughu]

40. Do not consent! General strike Feb 14 for love of country!

NO WORK. NO BUY, NO PAY BILLS

NOTHING BUT COMMUNITY ORGANIZE!

UNTIL TRUMP/VANCE AND ADMINISTRATION RESIGN!

[Buddyzbuddy]

13. November 6th was too late.

[Meowmee]

14. Who os or eloon or both?

[cilla4progress]

15. Pondering what fascism will look like

here

[Aaeia]

16. A lotta clean up ... aisle 5

[JustAnotherGen]

18. Aisle 47

[BarbD]

20. We are all in this together.

It is time to continue contacting our congressmen and senators.......and, communicating to our families and friends what we are doing .......and encouraging them to overcome our fears.

This 87 year old great grandmother is really pissed at what is happening and I absolutely refuse to give in.

[ancianita]

28. Yep. We'll either fight together or hang separately.

In case you don't have these...

https://clerk.house.gov/member_info/TTD-119.pdf

https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm

[Joinfortmill]

21. It's a fast moving coup. His day one dictator promise

We're in a very dangerous moment.

[Playingmantis]

24. Americans knew him for what he was.

America has chosen fascism ..they just call it something else..
Americans dont care..

The only hope is that there is a serious economic downturn..that they care about.. their talk about liberty and freedom is bullshit..Everyone on earth knows that

[whathehell]

54. No, Americans who really "knew him for what he was"

did NOT vote for him..Please stop broadbrushing "Americans" with a brush reserved for the less than HALF (47%) who voted for him.

[tetedur]

26. I think it is too late.

I'm old enough to remember Nixon and the Saturday Night Massacre.

Back then the Republican party stood up to Nixon and wouldn't allow him to run roughshod over the justice system. Tonight there is no one that is going to stop Trusk. Trusk has taken complete control of the country.

No one is screaming bloody murder on TV. Someone should be. Someone should be moving with emergency motions in the courts to stop this.

Back in 1973 news people broke into the broadcast and were very serious about the abuse that was happening. This is much worse.

We are in a dictatorship. We are a nation of cowards.

[RockRaven]

27. He's not going to be stopped soon, so...

[ancianita]

29. No one really knows this. No one. Just because folks don't see anything happening does not mean nothing's happening.

[RockRaven]

30. If you think some out of office, constitutionally/legally powerless white knight(s)

is(are) going to swoop in and save everyone, please detail how exactly that is going to work.

[ancianita]

31. Ever been in this situation in US history? No. Tell you what. If you think some lawless officers are going to win,

you go first in detailing how exactly that is going to work.

[videohead5]

34. He will be taken to court

When Trump puts those tariffs in place. Taking Trump to court is all that can be done. The Democrats can't do anything other than take him to court.

[tableturner]

44. BS! They can raise holy hell 24 hours a day to get the public whipped up.

[videohead5]

46. I see them on TV social media

Every day talking about how Trump is screwing things up. Maybe more need to come forward, but they are not being quiet.

[Think. Again.]

63. Yes, they ALL need to come forward.

[ancianita]

47. So how would Democrats have standing? When it comes to tariffs,

companies affected would have to take him to court. But the DOJ wouldn't be inclined -- or probably too dismantled to even be capable -- to represent the government. Courts might take on the tariff cases, and SCOTUS will take its sweet time to rule.

[Steve C]

37. The Plan

Cause mass protest and then call for martial law. Take over the country.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

48. I dare them!

[Think. Again.]

64. A mass protest can be done as a large economic boycott...

...once the large corporations begin feeling the pinch, they will begin to reel him in.

[Sneederbunk]

45. TSF ticking off the military not a good idea.

Sad if we have to rely on military to protect our rights.

[FullySupportDems]

52. Nationwide Strikes are all I think can of to stop them

And of course, that won't work if red America doesn't participate. They won't come along until things get pretty bad. So we're going to take some damage, no matter what. But it's not over and done, not while we're still alive.

[Think. Again.]

65. It only takes about 3% of the population to spark change.

We don't need red America at all.

[FullySupportDems]

71. That sounds better

But I was thinking for a strike to be effective, you need all or most of the workers participating, so some would have to be red. Especially in the south.

It's a good reminder though. I'm thinking again And thank you!

[Think. Again.]

74. You might find this hopeful...

BBC:
The '3.5% rule': How a small minority can change the world

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world

[FullySupportDems]

80. I'll read that, Thank you :)

[FullySupportDems]

95. Non-violent protests were found to be twice as effective as violence

That was a good read. I was happy to learn that the study found non-violence twice as effective as violence. I think that's going to be the way to go, if we want positive change.

[halobeam]

111. Regarding it taking 3+% is all it takes....

A general strike is when working people refuse their labor until demands are met • Research shows We need 3.5% of the population, OR 11 million Americans, to be successFul • The STRIKE CARD below tracks our progress so we all know When it’s time to strike -


https://generalstrikeus.com/

[LonePirate]

55. It was too late on November 5th. We're simply at the watch it burn stage now.

[iemanja]

58. I agree that we can't withstand this

Only I fear it can't be stopped. The Republicans would need to stand up to him, but they are cowards.

[Hitorque]

60. Hey, I was telling everybody that before November 5th

Now we've got a despotic autocrat and his cultists running amok...

[spanone]

70. K&R

[malaise]

73. He will be stopped

Rec

[JMCKUSICK]

81. Why isn't someone in court

challenging every one of these actions? It feels like no-one was prepared for this.
Elon Musk employees taking over OPM?
Is this really legal?

[Doodley]

102. 100% agree!

[ForgedCrank]

83. How so?

Besides being stupid and a jackass, what has he done that leads you to this doom level prediction?

[cilla4progress]

84. Seriously?

...

[ForgedCrank]

85. No, jokingly.

I think if someone is going to spread this sort of doom prediction, they should have solid reasons to back that up, something real, not just things you or we don't like.
Crap like this has some people actually scared. So what makes you think our nation and government are going to collapse?

[cilla4progress]

87. How about for starters

Letting all the J6ers out to hunt and menace us?

Firing all FBI agents involved in his prosecutions / investigations.

Disbanding health infrastructure - NIH, etc.

25% tariffs on our allies and neighbors.

Installing loyalist shitbags at every level?

Good god man. Do you follow the news??

[ForgedCrank]

88. And none of

those things spell the end of our republic, they are just things we don't like. Do you have Jan 6'rs on your lawn menacing you? Are a handful of FBI lawyers the core our our governmental operations? And the NIH isn't "disbanded" either. All of this is just more hyperbole. Are these things bad? Maybe, maybe not, let's see what actually happens. None of his "loyalist shitbags" can turn the lights off.
Moral of the story is, I suggest we stop with the ridiculous doom predictions. There is a reason no one takes us seriously anymore, and this kind of thing is exactly why.
And yes, I do read news. But I don't silo myself from multiple sources either. I want news to tell me the truth, not just tell me what I might like to hear. And this will ruffle feathers, but the left leaning media sources are often just as dishonest as Fox news.
Real truth can be a giant asshole, but that doesn't change what it is.

[cilla4progress]

90. Bye now

Thanks for playing

[ForgedCrank]

91. Shall I

assume you don't want to actually discuss this and backup what you are saying with something of actual substance? If your goal is really to just spread this scourge of fear mongering, then yes, I suppose we have nothing really to discuss anyway. My goals have nothing to do with "playing"... but you go ahead and do your thing.

[Doodley]

103. You are defending a fascist agenda. You said are these things bad? Maybe, maybe not.

[ForgedCrank]

107. You are

defending [insert thing that may insult someone here].
See? I can say stuff too.

[Doodley]

113. Bye

[ForgedCrank]

114. toodles

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

100. "just as dishonest as Fox News"

I don’t recall any progressive outlets settling lawsuits for almost $800 million because they got caught spreading lies and disinformation about voting machines.

[Karasu]

98. We can't survive 4 years (or more, if they get their way) of this.

If essentially the entire government can be frozen/fired in a month (not that they can legally do all that, but the law is mere pretense at this point), we're going to be a banana republic in a year. You know they'll get around to targeting future elections once they're done defunding the country and ensuring the deaths of as many people as possible. It's what all fascists do.

Hell, Hitler dismantled the existing state in 53 days. Didn't even take him 2 months. It's abundantly clear whose playbook they're following.

[LT Barclay]

104. Scratch the surface and you'll find we've been off course for a while. What is different is that the ugliness has

festered to the surface and the worst of the worst are in control.
The magats worship the words of the founding fathers so much that maybe it is time to push for legal recognition of the Declaration of Independence. By the time the cases start hitting the courts they won’t realize what happened.