Please! MORE secession talk!!

[Charging Triceratops]

We have been taken over by Musk and an entrenched minority dictatorship.
A lot less happened in 1860 to make the South try to break free.

Can't someone in Vermont or California or Maine lead the way out of this star-spangled Dumpster fire??

[stopdiggin]

1. No. -(nt)-

[Charging Triceratops]

4. So we continue to be slaves then?

OK.

[jmbar2]

6. Putin propaganda has been fueling secession talk since 2017.

The push for states such as California and Texas to secede from the U.S. has gained traction in recent years, fueled in part by Russian-backed efforts to destabilize American politics.

As the states with the largest gross domestic product, their secession would cause significant disruption to the U.S. economy. While a state seceding is both highly improbable and unconstitutional, the growing debate could fuel national divisions.

In an emailed response to Newsweek, Nehring said: "While the current 'leader' of CalExit may publicly disavow connections to Russia, the idea itself has been promoted, amplified and encouraged by Russian government-linked entities, which sought to use it as a destabilization tool. That has been extensively documented for over eight years by media outlets, intelligence agencies and cybersecurity firms like Graphika.

"Disavowals do not erase the extensive evidence of Russian involvement in advancing this issue for their own anti-American strategic benefit.

"In 2016, Russian-linked social media accounts, including bots and troll farms associated with the Internet Research Agency, amplified CalExit narratives across platforms like Twitter and Facebook, particularly after the U.S. presidential election."

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-fueling-independence-california-texas-2021257

[stopdiggin]

7. So - you would continue to argue (seriously? - wasn't quite sure previously .. ) that this would

represent a GOOD idea?

(don't know exactly where you studied your history, but ...) It was a really , really sh*tty idea back then ... Not much of a model ... And certainly not a prescription that I (or any of my reasonable sane friends) are anxious to follow. Today - tomorrow - the day after ....

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[LS0999]

11. Apparently so.

At the path that we are going America would either collapse and break apart on its own, it will be forced apart by Trump overreaching, or we accept living as subjects under a "National Conservative" dictatorship. Trump was not joking when he said you don't have to vote again. If the Democrats don't take Congress in 2026 any hope of restoring what was left of America is done.

[sarisataka]

12. I think you do not know what a slave is

I hope you never experience what it actually means

[MineralMan]

2. Secession Is the Fastest Path to Federal Takeover of a State.

Don't wish for what will destroy you. Secessionism has already been tried. It failed, and additional laws against it were created.

It's important to be realistic in times of crisis. False hope ends up just being false.

[Charging Triceratops]

3. It failed before because of military intervention

I don't think that would happen now.

[MineralMan]

5. Why don't you think it would happen now?

I can't think of any reason for it not happening now. Please enlighten me. First, answer the question: Who is in charge of US military forces?

[LS0999]

9. I think it's going to look more like the collapse of the USSR

If the USD is dumped as the reserve currency and becomes worthless the states will probably start ignoring the Federal government. Including issuing their own currencies. I see Texas leaving first before any Northeastern state does. fElon and his pet orangutan already are dismantling the federal bureaucracy as we knew it.

[MineralMan]

10. More unsupported speculation?

I don't think that's useful, really. So, I'm just going to ignore your post.

[tritsofme]

8. I'll take terrible ideas for $500, Alex.

lol, no thanks.

[sarisataka]

13. I am so old.I remember right wingers talking about succeeding when Obama became President

We laughed and called the idea ridiculous