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(94,261 posts)
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:16 AM Feb 2025

Canada is not known to be a major source of fentanyl, so why is Trump punishing our close ally?

...yes, we have a trade deficit, but it's because we buy more oil from Canada than we export to them.

They're literally our largest supplier of oil and oil products, next to Mexico.

NYT:

Congress in 2020 established a commission to look into ways to reduce the flow of the drugs into the country. The commission found that “Canada is not known to be a major source of fentanyl, other synthetic opioids or precursor chemicals to the United States, a conclusion primarily drawn from seizure data,” according to its February 2022 report.

Last year, U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents intercepted about 19 kilograms of fentanyl at the northern border, compared with almost 9,600 kilograms at the border with Mexico, where cartels mass-produce the drug.


Illegal crossings at the US-Canada border increased in 2024, but still lag far behind the southern border. But what the hell are sanctions on food and goods going to do to solve that?

besides:

Canada announced their new border plan in Dec. 2024.

Actions and Outcomes:

89% reduction in illegal southbound movement from peak 2024 levels
77% reduction in irregular asylum claims in Canada (2024 v. same period in 2023)
Reduced visa fraud through tightened processing measures and 600% increase in visa investigations
Security screening of 100% of asylum seekers and high-risk visitors
Increased removals of failed asylum claimants (targeting 25% increase next year)

Target: Eliminate illegal border crossings through real-time surveillance of border areas

Actions and Outcomes:

Investments in border surveillance equipment and capacity (drones, towers, Black Hawk helicopters, K-9 teams), including military support for intelligence analysis and logistics
Increased federal border personnel complemented by an additional 350+ personnel and support from provinces and territories
Freed up Canadian and U.S. border officers to focus on high-risk activity by closing immigration processing loophole (flagpoling) – up to 8000 labour days saved

Target: Detect and disrupt the fentanyl trade with more technology, tools, intelligence and cross-border collaboration

Actions and Outcomes:

Establishing Canada-U.S. enforcement Strike Force, with plans to develop joint intelligence mapping with U.S. by February 2025, establish shared targets, and collaborate on specific operations
Executive Direction to Canadian intelligence agencies to immediately redirect resources to focus on transnational criminal organizations
Investments in detection capacity: X-ray devices, radiation portal monitors, chemical analyzers, postal detector dog teams
More support for law enforcement investigations through increase in lab analysis capacity, increased collaboration with U.S. DEA in areas such as training and information sharing, and new drug enforcement hubs modelled after the U.S.
Hitting back at illegal fentanyl production by increasing control and oversight of precursor chemicals, and more rapid response to identify and schedule emerging precursor chemicals
More tools to follow the money through enhanced anti-money laundering authorities and financial investigations, new border financial crimes centre, and new North American operational alert on money laundering indicators
Lab busts: Between 2018 and 2024 Canadian law enforcement disrupted and dismantled 44 lab sites tied to illicit fentanyl; multijurisdictional approach to upcoming disruption and prosecution

Target: Strengthen border security through cross-border information and intelligence sharing
Actions and Outcomes:

Joint enforcement activities underway with U.S. through Integrated Border Enforcement Teams, joint management tables, U.S. Border Enforcement Security Task Force, and joint threat assessments / operations
Investments in joint intelligence capacity to disrupt transnational organized crime and illegal drug and firearms trafficking
Enhanced information sharing (e.g., information on high-risk child sex offenders, information on bulk trading, etc.) and joint training

Target: Keep people safe through joint emergency readiness and perimeter security cooperation, especially during fire season
Actions and Outcomes:

Establishing a FEMA/PS Joint Emergency Management Council for "NORAD-like" partnership in emergency management
Providing mutual assistance when needed most (e.g., fighting Los Angeles fires)
Conducting joint emergency response exercises (EX Vital Archer, EX Cobalt Magnet)


...you'd be led to believe that there was some sort of serious infraction or breakdown in understanding about the concerns Canada has been addressing on their own regarding the 'fentynal and immigration' that Trump cited as reason for this extraordinary punishment of a key ally and neighbor.

As Canada has clearly demonstrated, they are making changes which are making a difference with their border, but as Trump said today, he's really not interested in negotiation and said that there's nothing Canada can do to avoid the tariffs he imposed.

He's essentially created a problem where none existed, and has blundered into sucker punching a very good friend of America to prove something or the other. But this is not about fentynal, immigration, or even trade.

This is about the demented ego of a megalomaniac who believes that beating up people closely allied with America behind his invented allegations proves he's a tough guy. But Trump underswung and missed, falling back onto his own nation like a punch-drunk palooka.
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Canada is not known to be a major source of fentanyl, so why is Trump punishing our close ally? (Original Post) bigtree Feb 2025 OP
Fentanyl and immigration are the invented pretext he needs to activate the power to levy random tariffs without congress unblock Feb 2025 #1
He's obeying his master...Putler. roamer65 Feb 2025 #2
It's the only explanation that makes sense Arazi Feb 2025 #16
Yes. Putin wants the democratic countries alliance to be gone. Irish_Dem Feb 2025 #31
ONE MORE TIME... Hitorque Feb 2025 #3
He hasn't a clue what a trade deficit is Walleye Feb 2025 #28
Trump is a fascist. Mike Niendorff Feb 2025 #4
T Rump is fairly easy to predict. Trust_Reality Feb 2025 #5
Trudeau Wifes husband Feb 2025 #6
Yes, plus he is insane. nt Disaffected Feb 2025 #8
Bingo! Lefta Dissenter Feb 2025 #10
Melania gave Trudeau the "fuck me" look in a viral photo. rubbersole Feb 2025 #13
Times Two: Ivanka never looked at her father like that: no_hypocrisy Feb 2025 #26
Recall one of the "G-something" meetings during djt's first term, and Ivanka was allegorical oracle Feb 2025 #37
Yep, that's all there is to it that and his complete misunderstanding of economics and geopolitics Walleye Feb 2025 #29
You Are Right On Target Baron2024 Feb 2025 #18
The orange asshole is drunk on power. StarryNite Feb 2025 #7
Is fenatanyl that much of an issue? Meowmee Feb 2025 #9
Very good, you can't stop drug use by closing the borders Walleye Feb 2025 #30
Cuz they know the family's money came from running whores in whitehorse? struggle4progress Feb 2025 #11
Because Canada laughed at his suggestion they become the 51st state. n/t Ms. Toad Feb 2025 #12
....think larger Alberta Bound Feb 2025 #14
I Think That You Are Right Baron2024 Feb 2025 #19
Some Ideas Baron2024 Feb 2025 #22
Economic policies of autarky always lead to aggressive war and acquisition Prairie Gates Feb 2025 #38
fair bigtree Feb 2025 #40
10% tariffs on China krkaufman Feb 2025 #15
I would guess Figarosmom Feb 2025 #17
Maybe this? Mr. Evil Feb 2025 #20
the fentanyl excuse is RIDICULOUS so what is his REAL MOTIVE Skittles Feb 2025 #21
Because he's an asshole. arthritisR_US Feb 2025 #23
Because Paulie, I mean the Felon is trying to pressure Buddyzbuddy Feb 2025 #24
Also largely ignored is that 80% of the fentanyl trafficked into the United States is by US citizens... EarthFirst Feb 2025 #25
A bit of history Morbius Feb 2025 #27
Canada has rights to a vast number of oil and natural gas reserves Niagara Feb 2025 #32
Probably snowybirdie Feb 2025 #33
Why? Ivanka, Melania, googly eyes. Vinca Feb 2025 #34
He is a schoolyard bully, and Canada is the smart kid who makes him look stupid. Midnight Writer Feb 2025 #35
This link has some interesting charts revealing how little fentanyl comes from Canada (fyi) allegorical oracle Feb 2025 #36
Because Malaria keeps screaming out "Justin!" in her sleep. tavernier Feb 2025 #39

unblock

(56,198 posts)
1. Fentanyl and immigration are the invented pretext he needs to activate the power to levy random tariffs without congress
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:22 AM
Feb 2025

He only has this power under current law if there's an "emergency," so "blah blah fentanyl, blah blah immigration, there's your emergency, hah! now I get to screw everything up with tariffs."

If a democrat did this, they'd be impeached already.

 

Hitorque

(254 posts)
3. ONE MORE TIME...
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:23 AM
Feb 2025

1. He's a coward

2. He's a bully

3. He loves punching down

4. He doesn't know how fucking tariffs work

5. He doesn't know how fucking anything works

6. He lives in his own fact-free reality

7. He loves chaos

8. He thinks he can conduct his office like a low-rent mob boss

9. He's convinced that we're getting shortchanged by Canada, since we "subsidize" their economy (See points 4, 5, and 6.)

Mike Niendorff

(3,650 posts)
4. Trump is a fascist.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:23 AM
Feb 2025

He is attempting to create an economic crisis, so he can exploit it to further seize and consolidate power.

You need to understand this through the lens of an aspiring dictator, not through the lens of a good-faith policy-maker.

I'm dead serious in saying this, I don't know how to scream it any louder.


MDN

Trust_Reality

(2,291 posts)
5. T Rump is fairly easy to predict.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:45 AM
Feb 2025

Just mix equal parts of crazy and evil to imagine what his motives may be.

Wifes husband

(720 posts)
6. Trudeau
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:49 AM
Feb 2025

Remember the photograph of the TSF's wife looking at Trudeau? Remember the jokes at the Orange doofuss's expense?

He does.

I honestly believe that is what the Canadian tariffs are about

rubbersole

(11,222 posts)
13. Melania gave Trudeau the "fuck me" look in a viral photo.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 03:13 AM
Feb 2025

Canadian moose won't even give tsf an "eat shit" look.

allegorical oracle

(6,479 posts)
37. Recall one of the "G-something" meetings during djt's first term, and Ivanka was
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 10:28 AM
Feb 2025

with a group of leaders. They appeared to be laughing at her. Trudeau was among that group. There's something really strange about djt's brain in the way that he can recall slights from years earlier -- and avenge them. His thin skin is remarkable.

Walleye

(44,797 posts)
29. Yep, that's all there is to it that and his complete misunderstanding of economics and geopolitics
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 06:31 AM
Feb 2025

And his disgusting loyalty to Putin

 

Baron2024

(1,492 posts)
18. You Are Right On Target
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 03:40 AM
Feb 2025

Trump and Musk are Fascists. The question is- how do we stop them? I have some ideas in the link below. It is worth a quick read, I think. I would like your opinions and ideas-- Resistance and Rebellion--

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219975841

StarryNite

(12,115 posts)
7. The orange asshole is drunk on power.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:51 AM
Feb 2025

He will eventually have his ass handed to him but until that happens we all suffer.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
9. Is fenatanyl that much of an issue?
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:57 AM
Feb 2025

I feel like the whole thing is overblown anyway. Imo all meds/ drugs should be legalized to hopefully help put a dent in the illegal drug trade. Going the prohibition route just enabled a bunch of crooks. It never stopped anyone from being addicted to alcohol or getting it/ producing it etc.

Walleye

(44,797 posts)
30. Very good, you can't stop drug use by closing the borders
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 06:33 AM
Feb 2025

This is the Republican the party of personal responsibility. Isn’t the way to deal with the fentanyl crisis is people just stop taking black market drugs? fentanyl doesn’t affect me at all because I don’t take black market pills. It’s that simple. Why do I have to suffer policy changes for something that is an individual problem?

Alberta Bound

(15 posts)
14. ....think larger
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 03:14 AM
Feb 2025

The Plan:
a) to weaken and break,
b) to acquire others' sovereign territory (Canada51, Greenland52),
c) to ensure reliable supply chain of essential/critical materials,
including petrochemical and water resources,
d) and expand military presence/installations east of Alaska.
e) to claim rights to and control Northwest Passage (re military &
commercial navigation enhanced via melted icepack).

The Objective:
a) $ for the 1%

 

Baron2024

(1,492 posts)
19. I Think That You Are Right
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 03:44 AM
Feb 2025

I think that you are right but Trump is clearly not smart enough to have developed this plan himself. It obviously comes from the Project 2025 operatives around him. Trump is the mouthpiece. The question is how do we mount a counter operation against the Trump Musk Regime?

 

Baron2024

(1,492 posts)
22. Some Ideas
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 03:50 AM
Feb 2025

A link to some ideas on Resistance and Rebellion. It is worth a quick read, I think. I would like your opinions and ideas--

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219975841

Prairie Gates

(8,151 posts)
38. Economic policies of autarky always lead to aggressive war and acquisition
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 10:34 AM
Feb 2025

Item c) is most relevant.

It's made easier with a friendly (i.e., conservative) government that invites in the invader for one reason or other (see also, Anschluss).

krkaufman

(13,961 posts)
15. 10% tariffs on China
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 03:27 AM
Feb 2025

My assumption has been that the extreme tariffs on Mexico and Canada were intended to provide cover for the lower than promised, 10% tariffs on China.

Figarosmom

(11,979 posts)
17. I would guess
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 03:36 AM
Feb 2025

It's mostly AMERICANS going to Mexico, purchasing and smuggling it into the country. Mostly by plane. But they are AMERICANS.

Buddyzbuddy

(2,617 posts)
24. Because Paulie, I mean the Felon is trying to pressure
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 04:24 AM
Feb 2025

Trudeau to sign over the restaurant, I mean Canada to the U.S. to put it under his protection, I mean to make it the 51st State in order to drain it's credit, I mean resources.
That felonius moron really thinks he's a mob boss. You think he remembers what happened to Paul Castellano?

EarthFirst

(4,153 posts)
25. Also largely ignored is that 80% of the fentanyl trafficked into the United States is by US citizens...
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 04:32 AM
Feb 2025

…rather not by large gangs of foreign citizenship.

Additionally; the state with one of the largest rates of use and lethal overdoses of opioid trafficking is West Virginia.

Fentanyl as the impetus to fuel the immigration debate by the GOP is largely based on untruths and false conjecture.

Morbius

(997 posts)
27. A bit of history
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 04:46 AM
Feb 2025

From Wikipedia:

The Gleiwitz incident was a false flag attack on the radio station Sender Gleiwitz in Gleiwitz (then Germany and now Gliwice, Poland) staged by Nazi Germany on the night of 31 August 1939. Along with some two dozen similar incidents, the attack was manufactured by Germany as a casus belli to justify the invasion of Poland. Prior to the invasion, Adolf Hitler gave a radio address condemning the acts and announcing German plans to attack Poland, which began the next morning. Despite the German government using the attack as a justification to go to war with Poland, the Gleiwitz assailants were not Polish but were German SS officers wearing Polish uniforms.

The Germans made something up in order to invade Poland. I think this fentanyl argument is made of the same cloth. It is an excuse, not a reason. I think it is a mistake to consider it a reason; the objective is what we should concern ourselves with. What is Trump's objective? I frankly can't think of anything that doesn't send chills up my spine.

Niagara

(11,849 posts)
32. Canada has rights to a vast number of oil and natural gas reserves
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 07:44 AM
Feb 2025
https://www.thedailyupside.com/industries/energy/canadas-vast-resources-have-made-it-the-worlds-russia-alternative/



Canada has imposed sanctions on Russian oil, gas and chemical industries since Ukraine's invasion.

https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2022/06/canada-imposes-sanctions-on-russian-oil-gas-and-chemical-industries.html


Both Trump and Musk have had private phone calls with Putin during Trumps last 4 years as a private citizen. At least 7 phone calls between Putin and Trump.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-had-as-many-as-7-private-calls-with-putin-since-leaving-office-bob-woodward-writes-in-new-book




https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-to-know-about-elon-musks-reported-phone-calls-with-putin-and-why-it-matters


Putin is now the commander, next is Musk and then Trump. There is a chain of command and both Musk and Trump are following Putin's orders.


All roads lead to Putin. This also includes Putin's plans for Greenland.



Greenland has a NATO military base called Pituffik Space Base, previously Thule Air Base.


Some of the operations that happen at this base are early warning of ballistic missile launches. They also provide telemetry, tracking and command-and-control of U.S. and allied government satellites.


Greenland also has untapped minerals and it's right along a shipping route.


However, I'm banking that Putin is more interested in our defense systems and how to dismantle them than he is in minerals. I'm also banking that he would love to dismantle NATO as well.


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