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dalton99a

(94,125 posts)
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 10:47 AM Feb 2025

Schumer: "We're not going to go after every single issue"

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/02/us/politics/democrats-trump.html

https://archive.ph/HAdqb

‘We Have No Coherent Message’: Democrats Struggle to Oppose Trump
More than 50 interviews with Democratic leaders revealed a party struggling to decide what it believes in, what issues to prioritize and how to confront an aggressive right-wing administration.
By Lisa Lerer and Reid J. Epstein
Feb. 2, 2025, 5:00 a.m. ET

...

Their concerns are spilling out into public, as the country’s most powerful and prominent Democratic politicians air sharp disagreements over how aggressively they should oppose Mr. Trump.

“We’re not going to go after every single issue,” Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the minority leader, said in an interview. “We are picking the most important fights and lying down on the train tracks on those fights.”

Plenty of Democrats think that picking battles is the wrong approach when dealing with a president who is willing to disregard constitutional norms and legal guidelines.

On a private call with Mr. Schumer last week, a half-dozen Democratic governors pressed him to be more aggressive in opposing the entire Trump agenda — not just those issues on which the party thinks it can score strategic victories.

“He is not somebody that you can appease,” Gov. JB Pritzker, an Illinois Democrat, said in an interview. “We’ve got to stand up and fight. And by the way, at the state level, I think many of us are. But I think that we’ve got to make sure that in the Senate and the House, that the people who have a platform are standing up.”

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Gotta keep your powder dry and wait for the perfect opportunity to come along

Meanwhile don’t say anything. Talking takes too much energy


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Schumer: "We're not going to go after every single issue" (Original Post) dalton99a Feb 2025 OP
Personally, lying down on the train tracks is not my idea of fighting... Dan Feb 2025 #1
Yes, it usually gets you cut in half. hadEnuf Feb 2025 #39
Guerilla warfare. Asymmetric attacks. Bluetus Feb 2025 #44
Snidely Whiplash didn't even have to tie him up William Seger Feb 2025 #75
They had a 'gentlemen's agreement' that he would Bettie Feb 2025 #98
Sounds like "business as usual". Think. Again. Feb 2025 #2
Pritzker's right, Schumer's wrong, and even disastrously wrong Prairie Gates Feb 2025 #3
Agreed. Schumer is an ineffectual. yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #60
Schumer is living in a different America than the rest of us. The same one that Biden didn't fight against BComplex Feb 2025 #83
Well said. yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #94
When your country is being attacked by a hostile force, it is not the time to look for common ground. Midnight Writer Feb 2025 #4
Bi-partisanship be damned. Prairie_Seagull Feb 2025 #70
Schumer's appeasement makes people want to give up LearnedHand Feb 2025 #5
Schumer badgolfer Feb 2025 #8
10 recs so far for pointing out Schumer's spinelessness. hedda_foil Feb 2025 #29
Agreed, agreed, agreed!!!! At least they need to bring the young members into the fight. AOC, Crockett and other...... usaf-vet Feb 2025 #51
YES, YOU YOUNG FOLKS, STEP UP TO THE PLATE! raging moderate Feb 2025 #107
I don't think Trump is going to brake for the bodies on the track. Solly Mack Feb 2025 #6
Put roses and flowers on the train tracks just before the bodies lying,.. magicarpet Feb 2025 #62
My momma used to say if you are going to put your foot down, don't put it down in shit. Solly Mack Feb 2025 #79
Yeah, cilla4progress Feb 2025 #84
The train ALWAYS wins. Catbird Feb 2025 #7
Chuck Schumer is a 20th Century man. madaboutharry Feb 2025 #9
Everything Trump touches dies. Right now, it looks like this country is the next victim. hedda_foil Feb 2025 #31
Great. Passages Feb 2025 #10
Can Schumer be overthrown as minority whip? choie Feb 2025 #11
Move on...schumer. AltairIV Feb 2025 #12
Completely agree. choie Feb 2025 #14
But no matter what, Schumer and his... ASSociates 3825-87867 Feb 2025 #13
I wonder where the "weak" narrative comes from RJ-MacReady Feb 2025 #15
In total agreement with you! IMO, it is the young people who will inherit this unholy cornball 24 Feb 2025 #27
I stand with these governors!! CrispyQ Feb 2025 #16
NO Shumer...You should be opposing him on EVERYTHING! Liberal In Texas Feb 2025 #17
Absofuckingloutely! SheltieLover Feb 2025 #18
This is how the ReThugs operate True Dough Feb 2025 #106
Lead or get out of the way. Times have changed, tactics have to change to meet the challenges Deuxcents Feb 2025 #19
The new Chair JustAnotherGen Feb 2025 #20
Post removed Post removed Feb 2025 #21
If its illegal you sure as hell better go after them! OLDMDDEM Feb 2025 #22
issue voteragain Feb 2025 #23
Oh, i dunno... mymomwasright Feb 2025 #24
What The Actual Fuck! speak easy Feb 2025 #25
Patty Murray neds to be Minority Leader now obamanut2012 Feb 2025 #26
Or Elizabeth Warren Trailrider1951 Feb 2025 #45
Warren would be a disaster hueymahl Feb 2025 #49
Patty did a great job as Pro Tem obamanut2012 Feb 2025 #67
Rope-a-dope, maybe? mac56 Feb 2025 #28
Where is Kamala Harris? Doodley Feb 2025 #30
She has no position in government. Dan Feb 2025 #65
She has a voice. What's she going to do? Be silent for three-and-a-half years? Then run for Doodley Feb 2025 #105
Just my opinion, not based on anything but my personal feelings.... Dan Feb 2025 #109
Schumer: "... and lying down on the train tracks on those fights." area51 Feb 2025 #32
I'm so pissed off about this. He should be ranting and raving and jumping up and down on the Vinca Feb 2025 #36
This is shocking and I'm not even shocked. MontanaMama Feb 2025 #33
How about a coherent message of "Abide by the Constitution"? Seinan Sensei Feb 2025 #34
Out with the OLD in with the YOUNG. NoMoreRepugs Feb 2025 #35
It's not so much years as attitude Retrograde Feb 2025 #99
Of course you won't. This is bullshit. Lie down and roll over. Autumn Feb 2025 #37
We need new leadership. Emile Feb 2025 #38
Anf certain;y do not True Blue American Feb 2025 #69
They need to fight at every turn nuxvomica Feb 2025 #40
I seriously thought I was reading The Onion. tavernier Feb 2025 #41
Which Dems in Congress have expressed what I'm calling a Just Say No stance? OneGrassRoot Feb 2025 #42
You know what the coherent message should be: choie Feb 2025 #43
Honestly, at this point, Weakness is Treason in my book DSandra Feb 2025 #46
our leaders wont save us moonshinegnomie Feb 2025 #47
Rules Mz Pip Feb 2025 #48
Let's talk about the price of eggs SARose Feb 2025 #50
I remember a member of congress complaining about Schumer having this attitude towards in2herbs Feb 2025 #52
Then get the hell, out of the way. ... aggiesal Feb 2025 #53
Has it occurred to you that over the years... ananda Feb 2025 #54
When Democrats started running as "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" the game was up. nt hay rick Feb 2025 #111
This is the current version of "divided Democrats." hay rick Feb 2025 #55
It's actually what we need to be talking about Mysterian Feb 2025 #64
So Democrats can take time out for infighting and bring in the Lone Ranger. hay rick Feb 2025 #73
Or continue with ineffective leadership that helped bring us here Mysterian Feb 2025 #104
When things are going badly it's easy to call for change. hay rick Feb 2025 #110
For extra credit from who? You? Mysterian Feb 2025 #116
A swing and a miss. Swede Feb 2025 #56
Schumer is a big problem and has been for quite some time. He isn't going to leave voluntarily. Intractable Feb 2025 #57
Maybe if they bow obsequiously enough they'll get to kiss Trump's asshole like the GOP Orrex Feb 2025 #58
What's the process? What's the prospect for replacing Schumer? Mysterian Feb 2025 #59
Really don't want to see another clip of Schumer reading boring statements in the well of a deserted Senate Chamber. Silent Type Feb 2025 #61
The neo fascists have been doing that since Clinton. JanMichael Feb 2025 #63
What a disappointment LW1977 Feb 2025 #66
I wish our thinkingagain Feb 2025 #68
He probably thinks we need to work together Emile Feb 2025 #71
Time for a new leader, someone young Historic NY Feb 2025 #72
Intentionally walk ? No. Minor leaguers Tetrachloride Feb 2025 #74
Thank you sir, enigmania Feb 2025 #76
Schumer needs to step down as minority leader. yardwork Feb 2025 #77
Why not? claudette Feb 2025 #78
That's rich coming from a well-heeled caucasian cisgender male politician... EarthFirst Feb 2025 #80
I bet he read it from a paper. gab13by13 Feb 2025 #81
" I am so fucking sick of this weak shit.". -- former DNC leader re Sen Klobucher, Adam Parkhomenko IrishBubbaLiberal Feb 2025 #82
Gee, Chuck, are you going to go after *any* issues? Orrex Feb 2025 #85
+1. This is what Republicans do every time a Democrat is accused of jaywalking: dalton99a Feb 2025 #118
Tell me again why Schumer still has a job? JCMach1 Feb 2025 #86
Trump creates several issues daily, so pick your fight! GreenWave Feb 2025 #87
"Democratic leaders revealed a party struggling to decide what it believes in", Hotler Feb 2025 #88
Yep. Powder dry. Again!! I left the Greens for this?! GPV Feb 2025 #89
That's the Daschle model, by the way Orrex Feb 2025 #119
I'd like to see someone who focuses us on meat and potatoes only and is tough as nails. gulliver Feb 2025 #90
Schumer is right struggle4progress Feb 2025 #91
Poor choice of words Lulu KC Feb 2025 #92
Schumer's wrong. And he's really being mocked by Canadians, for good reason. highplainsdem Feb 2025 #93
Schumer is intensely irritating BannonsLiver Feb 2025 #95
Have any D said a word about Eloon being given access to things he should not be Meowmee Feb 2025 #96
I know what Schumer is trying to say ITAL Feb 2025 #97
It makes a lot of sense! He and Jefferies both have said that hammering on every issue confuses, paralyzes PortTack Feb 2025 #108
Nobody wants to hear this... Hitorque Feb 2025 #100
.... Skittles Feb 2025 #115
I'm with you... Hitorque Feb 2025 #117
The old guard are playing games by the old rules. Bluethroughu Feb 2025 #101
DAMN! elleng Feb 2025 #102
He's not equipped to deal with this moment newdeal2 Feb 2025 #103
Lying down on the train tracks is apt. Kid Berwyn Feb 2025 #112
When is Schumer's term up? BluenFLA Feb 2025 #113
TIME FOR SCHUMER TO GO Skittles Feb 2025 #114
45 Democrats in the Senate, plus 2 independents muriel_volestrangler Feb 2025 #120
Sounds like Schumer's not up for the fight. GoodRaisin Feb 2025 #121

Bluetus

(2,797 posts)
44. Guerilla warfare. Asymmetric attacks.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:24 PM
Feb 2025

We are 100% out of power now, thanks to these Dems who have been "picking their battles" (i.e. choosing to never fight ANY battles) for 50 years.

The first step is to admit we have a problem, and obviously Schumer isn't there yet.

If he understood the scope of the danger and lie limits of our traditional power, he would then have to conclude that this moment requires a completely different kind of attack. We need to find ways to get the media to do their job, and that comes from relentless attacks from all angles. Surprise attacks. Pop up protests. Dem-only inquisitions. Enlisting the support of foreign leaders. Encouraging a GLOBAL response to this fascism, corruption, and war-mongering.

There are many things we could do. And maybe "picking the battles" could be part of the plan, but today, there is no plan at all. Hell, the first step is to not cast a single Dem vote for any of the unqualified appointees. How hard is that?

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
98. They had a 'gentlemen's agreement' that he would
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 03:14 PM
Feb 2025

behave as if he had been tied up, after all, must be cooperative.

Prairie Gates

(8,157 posts)
3. Pritzker's right, Schumer's wrong, and even disastrously wrong
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 10:52 AM
Feb 2025

Schumer has no idea what he's doing, and it will cost the country dearly.

yellow dahlia

(5,877 posts)
60. Agreed. Schumer is an ineffectual.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:00 PM
Feb 2025

And that has become a real problem in these times.

I have gotten criticized for saying so on this forum. He continues to prove me right.

The Democratic Party needs a more tactical approach.

I saw something Jamie Raskin wrote that said there are legal actions afoot. Chris Murphy stands up and expresses a message that is based on critical thinking. Others are speaking loudly and sensibly, but I would like to see more action.

Talk about now - not about planning for the next election. Schumer thinks he is preparing for the next election cycle. He is "playing nice", thinking he will be able to work across the aisle.

Democrats need to unite around the need to stop the madness, NOW!

BComplex

(9,914 posts)
83. Schumer is living in a different America than the rest of us. The same one that Biden didn't fight against
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:47 PM
Feb 2025

hard enough around the election, to make sure the republicans weren't Silicon-Valleying the election in 2024. Playing nice has gotten the democrats, AND THE COUNTRY, AND evidently the entire world, into this mess as much as the republicans have. We've been played by the republicans by falling for their push to "reach across the aisle". The republicans lied, and it's way past time for us to join the fight. Schumer is living in the past. So is Dick Durbin. As Democratic whip, he just "whipped" the Democrats in the senate into voting for several trump appointees. WTF???

yellow dahlia

(5,877 posts)
94. Well said.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 02:25 PM
Feb 2025

I'm sending more emails to my Senators and Congressional Rep.

After the FBI take over the Senators need to push back regarding the vote on Patel.

And with what Musk is doing at the Treasury and other agencies, I want to know what legal actions and oversight measures can be taken.

I am doing whatever I can to be a voice.

I am going to watch the live event from Indivisible this evening. I never thought that at my age I would need to be joining a Resistance.

We need a resistance "classic smilie".

Midnight Writer

(25,410 posts)
4. When your country is being attacked by a hostile force, it is not the time to look for common ground.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 10:56 AM
Feb 2025

Our choice is between a corporate oligarchy seeking a fascist, medieval type society, or a democratic republic where even the peasants have rights.

That should be a "no-brainer" for anyone who cares about the American experiment.

LearnedHand

(5,500 posts)
5. Schumer's appeasement makes people want to give up
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 10:57 AM
Feb 2025

This is not a gentleman's disagreement and you don't choose your fucking battles in the face of Nazis. You fight every single one of them. Fight to rally other dems, not because you can win every battle.

badgolfer

(299 posts)
8. Schumer
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 11:00 AM
Feb 2025

Schumer has never had a spine. He didn't fight Mitch McConnell much either.

I never understood why Democrats elected him their leader.

hedda_foil

(16,985 posts)
29. 10 recs so far for pointing out Schumer's spinelessness.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:15 PM
Feb 2025

Mine is one of them. I feel the same way about his #2, Durbin, who's my Senator and whom I always felt very warmly towards. He's a great guy but totally ill equipped for this battle.

usaf-vet

(7,811 posts)
51. Agreed, agreed, agreed!!!! At least they need to bring the young members into the fight. AOC, Crockett and other......
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:40 PM
Feb 2025

..... let them help map strategy forward.

What angers me is that the old guards are comfortable and have enough money to live comfortably. Their behavior tells me that they don't really give a s**t about those of us who want the same comfort of keeping what we have earned and living in our comfort.

They are selfish, greedy, egotistical bastards individuals who think they are the only ones who can stand up to this assault on our way of life.

Think about it: they are not that different from the enemy in this battle. It's MY WAY or the highway. They just work spend their days in a different building.

raging moderate

(4,624 posts)
107. YES, YOU YOUNG FOLKS, STEP UP TO THE PLATE!
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 03:46 PM
Feb 2025

Folks, I will turn 77 in about two weeks. I exercise most days, 20 of everything including situps. But let me tell you, when you reach this age, your body and mind and spirit just begin to tire and weaken, and falter without warning. Some of these old people act so superior, but I am the same age and I saw them when they were the age you are now, and you are at least as smart and strong as we were. And, as somebody just said, the world is just so different now. I have been waiting for the Democrats in their 50s to start running for President. I have to say, I really think you younger folks can solve these problems, eventually. And wait until you see how the kids in their 40s and 30s can turn out, if you guys turn things around. I have been watching you younger people for a long time, and you have great potential! With the new technology around us, even just shopping in grocery stores, the way you younger folks handle the huge stock assortment and computerized equipment is impressive! Sometimes, to me, it feels like living in a Star Trek episode! From failing hands, we should turn the controls over to you! COME ON! YOU CAN DO IT!

Solly Mack

(96,943 posts)
6. I don't think Trump is going to brake for the bodies on the track.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 10:59 AM
Feb 2025

Perhaps lying down on the tracks isn't the best way to express a willingness to stand up against Trump.

magicarpet

(18,512 posts)
62. Put roses and flowers on the train tracks just before the bodies lying,..
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:00 PM
Feb 2025

... on the tracks. That will make the ReThug train conductor stop the train and clear the tracks of any Libs so they don't get injured, crushed or in any way hurt.

[Someone is fucking day dreaming.]

Solly Mack

(96,943 posts)
79. My momma used to say if you are going to put your foot down, don't put it down in shit.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:43 PM
Feb 2025

You end up looking foolish instead of serious.

Catbird

(735 posts)
7. The train ALWAYS wins.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 10:59 AM
Feb 2025

Lying down on the train tracks is never a viable strategy. The train ALWAYS wins.

madaboutharry

(42,033 posts)
9. Chuck Schumer is a 20th Century man.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 11:04 AM
Feb 2025

He lives in a past when republicans still had their minds.

He either needs to understand the new landscape or let someone else take the lead. The Republican Party has turned into a wrecking ball that is swinging out of control. Democrats better get smart real fast or else the wreckage Trump is doing will make this country unrecognizable.

choie

(6,906 posts)
11. Can Schumer be overthrown as minority whip?
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 11:07 AM
Feb 2025

He is a complete disaster and needs to go. Unfortunately, he's not up for reelection until 2028. By then the United States as we know it will be dead.

As a New Yorker, I'm furious that our senator is such a coward.

AltairIV

(1,043 posts)
12. Move on...schumer.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 11:12 AM
Feb 2025

I'm from New York and I'm telling you that from my perspective Schumer has always been problematic, especially on any issues dealing with banks. He's part of an old guard who believes negotiating with those on the other side of the aisle is still a legitimate and effective manner to deal with these lunatics. He is not the man for the job to lead any sort of effective resistance. Too many of these cabinet positions have been allowed to slip through. All these nominees are kiss ass cowards, who look out for themselves, at best, or are so completely unqualified and/or outright traitors, none of them should have received a yes vote from any Democrat.

3825-87867

(1,939 posts)
13. But no matter what, Schumer and his... ASSociates
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 11:12 AM
Feb 2025

will not suffer one bit in the coming Heritage times.
They will have the funds to ride just about anything out, while telling us to hang in there.
Once it affects those not in power but affluent, you'll see and hear bitching like never before.

In the meanwhile, we can "eat cake" - even though that wasn't a real quote.

 

RJ-MacReady

(603 posts)
15. I wonder where the "weak" narrative comes from
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 11:15 AM
Feb 2025

This is why we are seen as weak as a party! Its time for the old guard to go, retire. They are too stuck in the past and too invested in a status quo that no longer exists.

cornball 24

(1,581 posts)
27. In total agreement with you! IMO, it is the young people who will inherit this unholy
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:12 PM
Feb 2025

mess and they need to be in the positions where they can fix it.

CrispyQ

(40,969 posts)
16. I stand with these governors!!
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 11:18 AM
Feb 2025

You don't work with fascists. It's their way or the highway. So sick of old guard attitudes. They aren't serving us well.

Liberal In Texas

(16,270 posts)
17. NO Shumer...You should be opposing him on EVERYTHING!
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 11:19 AM
Feb 2025

That's what they do to us. Don't play like this is the 1970s. They aren't going to compromise. They need push-back all the time to try and keep the most egregious moves in check.

True Dough

(26,667 posts)
106. This is how the ReThugs operate
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 03:45 PM
Feb 2025

Minimal cooperation. Obstruct, obstruct, obstruct. And that's for a progressive agenda.

We're trying to stop fascism! Seems a little more urgent.

Deuxcents

(26,917 posts)
19. Lead or get out of the way. Times have changed, tactics have to change to meet the challenges
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 11:46 AM
Feb 2025

JustAnotherGen

(38,054 posts)
20. The new Chair
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 11:54 AM
Feb 2025

Might have a few points of disagreement with him.

Also - we can't allow the media to portray this so-called disarray the reason this is happening.

Its all happening because MagAmerica elected MagaPublicans.

They have all the power. Its solely on them.

Response to dalton99a (Original post)

voteragain

(52 posts)
23. issue
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:08 PM
Feb 2025

when you have health care paid, retirement pension paid, security paid by taxpayers, it seems hard to find an issue.

to me the tracks have been going in the wrong direction....

mymomwasright

(444 posts)
24. Oh, i dunno...
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:10 PM
Feb 2025

OUTSIDERS TAKING OVER OUR FINANCIAL SECTOR IS CRIMINAL! Start with that Chuck! Maybe get angry for a change!

hueymahl

(2,904 posts)
49. Warren would be a disaster
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:34 PM
Feb 2025

I used to love her - was my favorite leader. Something has happened in the past 4 years and she has lost all effectiveness.

Doodley

(11,913 posts)
105. She has a voice. What's she going to do? Be silent for three-and-a-half years? Then run for
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 03:38 PM
Feb 2025

the nomination in 2028, and sudden;y find her voice?

Dan

(5,179 posts)
109. Just my opinion, not based on anything but my personal feelings....
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 05:03 PM
Feb 2025

One - she will not run again for POTUS in 2028.

Two - kind of like Hillary after she lost - it takes time to find ones-self after losing a run for the presidency.

Three - I don't think that the Democratic party is going for run a female for president for awhile. America has shown that it has not reached the level of maturity to handle grown-up things.

Four - again, she's need space.

Vinca

(53,994 posts)
36. I'm so pissed off about this. He should be ranting and raving and jumping up and down on the
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:19 PM
Feb 2025

Senate floor. What we've seen is absolute madness. I hope to hell he deigns to say something about Musk and his tech bros having all our financial data including Social Security ID numbers and bank account numbers.

MontanaMama

(24,722 posts)
33. This is shocking and I'm not even shocked.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:17 PM
Feb 2025

We are seriously on the cusp of losing our country….Schumer actually comes back with this? Unbelievable. We need our best fighters on the front lines. I’m afraid Sen Schumer has lost whatever edge he had.

Seinan Sensei

(1,546 posts)
34. How about a coherent message of "Abide by the Constitution"?
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:17 PM
Feb 2025

Or, “Fight privatization at every turn”?
Or, “Do away with Citizens United”?.
Or, “Codify Woman’s Right to Choose”?

Retrograde

(11,419 posts)
99. It's not so much years as attitude
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 03:28 PM
Feb 2025

compare Schumer with Bernie Sanders - the latter still has fight left in him. Schumer's at the point in his life when he should be able to act according to his conscience: sure, he may lose an election, but he's earned his pension and life-time medical care and can look forward to writing his memoirs. He's secured his place in history and that's not going to change. He may have been a fire-brand once, but now he's set in his ways, and is still trying to be a "fair" minority leader in a Senate that no longer abides by the gentlemanly ways of the past (and I use the gendered term deliberately).
.
I don't know who should be the Senate minority leader. I'd like to see someone more scrappy, willing to fight

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
37. Of course you won't. This is bullshit. Lie down and roll over.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:19 PM
Feb 2025

How about Dems go after every other one or skip two and go after one? Or do one and we get three for free?

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
69. Anf certain;y do not
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:20 PM
Feb 2025

Need one who says, “ We won’t go after every one!” Why not?
Pretty bad when Micheal Steele has to tell Scarborough the. Facts!.

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nuxvomica

(14,092 posts)
40. They need to fight at every turn
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:21 PM
Feb 2025

I still can't believe they made no effort to contest the certification when they had a solid legal reason to do so. Yes, they probably would not have prevailed but they need to assure people they have some fight in them. Since prehistoric times, people have identified with the aggressor and will reject the aggressor who is abusive and cruel to them but that only happens if other leaders arise who fight back. Otherwise, the people will become resigned to their fate. They should constantly bring up the fact that Trump's presidency is in violation of the Constitution. It's a straightforward argument that people can readily digest if they read the plain language of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. It's an argument that also reminds people of J6.

tavernier

(14,443 posts)
41. I seriously thought I was reading The Onion.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:21 PM
Feb 2025

Someone needs to tell Schumer to STFU! If he wants to lie down on rump’s train tracks then the rest of the dem senate members should find a sturdy rope and tie him there. And then look for someone to replace him.

OneGrassRoot

(23,953 posts)
42. Which Dems in Congress have expressed what I'm calling a Just Say No stance?
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:22 PM
Feb 2025

I'm looking for anyone not using typical political speak. I think most people across the ideological spectrum are looking for leaders speaking authentically and forcefully.

Trump gathered his cult because of his forceful, yet very much inauthentic, lying way of speaking.

I've been trying to see what the latest messaging is coming from those I have always liked. Even Elizabeth Warren's messaging isn't remotely strong enough and she even still expresses a desire to work together on some issues. Jamie Raskin's latest was a bit better but he reinforced the "strategic" approach.

That seems to be what they've settled on rather than a blanket opposition which is what we desperately need.

This is so disappointing and upsetting.

choie

(6,906 posts)
43. You know what the coherent message should be:
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:23 PM
Feb 2025

Our Democracy is in peril due to trump, musk and their republican minions.

DSandra

(1,719 posts)
46. Honestly, at this point, Weakness is Treason in my book
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:27 PM
Feb 2025

You're supposed to be defending the Constitution from enemies, goddamnit! We have the biggest enemies to the constitution ever right now! Not to mention all of the constituents who have relied on the party to protect them!

moonshinegnomie

(4,022 posts)
47. our leaders wont save us
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:28 PM
Feb 2025

its going to be up to us to fight. its no longer about politics,its about fundamental freedoms and rights.

Mz Pip

(28,455 posts)
48. Rules
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:30 PM
Feb 2025

We’re not supposed to criticize Democrats here , so I’ll just shut up. It’s getting harder though.

SARose

(1,831 posts)
50. Let's talk about the price of eggs
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:40 PM
Feb 2025

and automobiles, and gasoline and whiskey, and avocados and beer.

Let’s talk about what a war with Panama really means.

Let’s talk about who is going to pick our fruits and vegetables.

Let’s talk about who will cut up the nuggets our children love.

This is how we win in 2026, in my opinion.

in2herbs

(4,390 posts)
52. I remember a member of congress complaining about Schumer having this attitude towards
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:41 PM
Feb 2025

legislation. Refused to bring anything up for a vote unless he was sure of victory so that he could puff his chest and tell us that Congress is working.

He should have been replaced years ago.

aggiesal

(10,804 posts)
53. Then get the hell, out of the way. ...
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:42 PM
Feb 2025

What good are you, if you're not going to stand up for Democratic principles? (Democracy not party)

ananda

(35,145 posts)
54. Has it occurred to you that over the years...
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:45 PM
Feb 2025

Democrats have themselves moved so far to
the right as to actually share some Republican
and Fascist values?

It started with Reagan. Under Bush 1, Biden
actually voted to confirm Clarence Thomas,
and had moved to the right in some ways.

I really didn't like Biden for a long time, and
I could see the Democrats as way too moderate
or right-leaning.

Lieberman was also a case in point.

We need our young progressives to take charge
these days, but... you know... not rightwing enough.

hay rick

(9,605 posts)
111. When Democrats started running as "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" the game was up. nt
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 08:02 PM
Feb 2025

hay rick

(9,605 posts)
55. This is the current version of "divided Democrats."
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:46 PM
Feb 2025

It's what the media wants us to talk about.

Mysterian

(6,486 posts)
64. It's actually what we need to be talking about
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:14 PM
Feb 2025

We need stronger leadership in the Senate than Schumer is providing in this time of crisis.

hay rick

(9,605 posts)
73. So Democrats can take time out for infighting and bring in the Lone Ranger.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:26 PM
Feb 2025

That will help.

hay rick

(9,605 posts)
110. When things are going badly it's easy to call for change.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 07:56 PM
Feb 2025

Change from _____ is easy. Change to _____ is hard. If you don't like Schumer, meaningful discussion should include who you think should replace him or it's just an exercise in venting. For extra credit you could offer an optimum unifying message.

Intractable

(2,103 posts)
57. Schumer is a big problem and has been for quite some time. He isn't going to leave voluntarily.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:47 PM
Feb 2025

Schumer played a big part in ousting Al Franken from the Senate.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/al-franken-senate-democrats-call-to-resign-gillibrand-mccaskill/

He needs to go, and take Durbin with him.

Mysterian

(6,486 posts)
59. What's the process? What's the prospect for replacing Schumer?
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:52 PM
Feb 2025

Is it time for Democrats in the Senate to demand a stronger leader?

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
61. Really don't want to see another clip of Schumer reading boring statements in the well of a deserted Senate Chamber.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:00 PM
Feb 2025

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
63. The neo fascists have been doing that since Clinton.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:14 PM
Feb 2025

They attack everything all of the time. That's what it takes in a 24/7 news cycle.

They must eat a better breakfast than Chuck does. I doubt that but it must be something.

thinkingagain

(1,350 posts)
68. I wish our
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:16 PM
Feb 2025

Leaders Dems and the few repubs that have a soul
Would be more like Zelenskyy
And Ukraine
Fight to save what is ours not give it away and say we have common ground
Please tell me what is the common ground?


Emile

(42,289 posts)
71. He probably thinks we need to work together
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:25 PM
Feb 2025

when they can and find common ground. Like Amy Klobuchar

Historic NY

(40,037 posts)
72. Time for a new leader, someone young
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:25 PM
Feb 2025

If Republicans have to deal with someone new it will upset their game.

EarthFirst

(4,153 posts)
80. That's rich coming from a well-heeled caucasian cisgender male politician...
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:43 PM
Feb 2025

For the rest of us; [Schumer] picking and choosing our battles determines how many times we lose; not if we lose…

gab13by13

(32,323 posts)
81. I bet he read it from a paper.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:46 PM
Feb 2025

Can't remember the last time I saw Chuck give a speech without reading it.

 

IrishBubbaLiberal

(2,561 posts)
82. " I am so fucking sick of this weak shit.". -- former DNC leader re Sen Klobucher, Adam Parkhomenko
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:46 PM
Feb 2025

I am so fucking sick of this weak shit.

Adam Parkhomenko (@adamparkhomenko.bsky.social) 2025-02-01T15:34:11.446Z



I am so fucking sick of this weak shit.


‪New York Times Opinion‬ ‪@nytopinion.nytimes.com‬
1d
"It is very clear that, if there is a middle of all of this hot mess of division, Americans want us to work together when we can and find common ground," Sen. Amy Klobuchar tells the Opinion writer Michelle Cottle.

====
Former National Field Director, Democratic National Committee
Known for Founder of Ready for Hillary

Orrex

(67,111 posts)
85. Gee, Chuck, are you going to go after *any* issues?
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:52 PM
Feb 2025

What's the tipping point? When an unelected oligarch has seized control of the entire US monetary system, do you think maybe the time for action has come?

If not, then when?

Hotler

(13,747 posts)
88. "Democratic leaders revealed a party struggling to decide what it believes in",
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 02:03 PM
Feb 2025

Kind of sad shouts of freedom and democracy didn't burst forth without hesitation.

Orrex

(67,111 posts)
119. That's the Daschle model, by the way
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 12:21 AM
Feb 2025

In any crisis, his first, second, third, fourth, and fifth instinct was to keep his powder dry.

gulliver

(13,985 posts)
90. I'd like to see someone who focuses us on meat and potatoes only and is tough as nails.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 02:06 PM
Feb 2025

When Schumer goes into "attack mode" on some issue, I don't believe his war face. He's just way too congenial and urbane. I personally would like to see people like Fetterman and Klobuchar (Jeffries, Suozzi, Crockett in the House) rise up. And I'd like to see Murkowski in the mix.

We'll get back our mojo with men pretty fast if we do that, imo. The gender gap is unsustainable.

Lulu KC

(8,893 posts)
92. Poor choice of words
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 02:13 PM
Feb 2025

1. Don't say what they're NOT going to do, keep the message on doing strong things.
2. Railroad tracks--ummmmm---no

But I do grasp what he's saying and it seems like common sense to me. With DT et al doing 50 crazy things a day, there has to be some triage to prioritize actions.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
96. Have any D said a word about Eloon being given access to things he should not be
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 02:37 PM
Feb 2025

Given access to, and trying to take over the gov assets etc.?

ITAL

(1,323 posts)
97. I know what Schumer is trying to say
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 02:44 PM
Feb 2025

Biden, and then Harris, largely based their campaigns on Trump's unique threat to the Republic. However, most of the exit polls said the American people chose Trump because costs were too high and they either didn't believe (or didn't care) about this...they were just concerned with inflations, etc.

So Schumer's idea is just to hammer on costs when they are sure to go up and the economy craters. He's not planning to raise as much fuss about a lot of the other stuff which didn't seem to animate voters.

I see where he's coming from and it makes some sense in theory. I had a conversation with a buddy who voted for Harris who even thought Democrats were being hysterical about all this stuff. I still don't agree with it given how scared shitless I am about Trump and company turning the FBI into a Gestapo like organization though.


PortTack

(35,820 posts)
108. It makes a lot of sense! He and Jefferies both have said that hammering on every issue confuses, paralyzes
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 04:45 PM
Feb 2025

And causes even more chaos. The worst thing that could happen is for constituents to throw up their hands in despair. Never forget, this is what they want.

 

Hitorque

(254 posts)
100. Nobody wants to hear this...
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 03:28 PM
Feb 2025

But attacking Donnie nonstop for 4 straight years, keeping his failures and crimes centered in the spotlight and making him the lightning rod for everything wrong with the GOP (even while 100% true) not only galvanized his supporters, it backfired on us at the polls. The public had scandal fatigue and Donnie was able to recast himself as a sympathetic martyr.

Worst of all, Dem voters couldn't be bothered to get off their asses to elect Harris, so why do y'all have the gall to be shocked that Dems are picking and choosing their moments to attack when their own voters didn't reward them in 2024?

I'm personally sick and tired of all this lazy blame-the-victim shit from pundits. It's no wonder the party has battered wife syndrome.

Skittles

(171,716 posts)
115. ....
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 09:09 PM
Feb 2025

Last edited Sun Feb 2, 2025, 11:48 PM - Edit history (1)

TRUMP IS A FUCKING CRIMINAL WHO TRIED TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT

we were supposed to just let that be SOP???

I do agree the Stormy Daniels thing was ridiculous.

 

Hitorque

(254 posts)
117. I'm with you...
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 11:46 PM
Feb 2025

I blame our voters for not rewarding the Dems who have in some cases sacrificed their seats and careers to stand up against Trumpism

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
101. The old guard are playing games by the old rules.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 03:35 PM
Feb 2025

The playing field has changed, the rules have changed, and the world is changing...time for a change in the guard!

newdeal2

(5,414 posts)
103. He's not equipped to deal with this moment
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 03:38 PM
Feb 2025

In normal times, he might be an OK leader, but I don't think he's capable of changing his tactics. Funny because these were the folks who were criticizing Biden for the same thing all summer long.

BluenFLA

(229 posts)
113. When is Schumer's term up?
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 09:04 PM
Feb 2025

Someone else has to run for his seat, or at least pick a Senate Minority leader who will actually fight.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,212 posts)
120. 45 Democrats in the Senate, plus 2 independents
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 05:06 AM
Feb 2025

Are they incapable of dividing up the work? They're already on committees with specialist focus - why can't they all do the jobs?

GoodRaisin

(10,922 posts)
121. Sounds like Schumer's not up for the fight.
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 01:29 PM
Feb 2025

Too tired, needs to step aside for a new more energetic leader if that’s how he’s thinking.

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