Do you want DU to grow?

[The Wandering Harper]

Or at least not die?
Stop.
Insulting.
Young People.
Take all the time you need with that,
but it shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

[LearnedHand]

1. +1000

I'm not under any illusions that young people would flock to Get Off My Lawn Underground, but it's embarrassing and insulting not to recognize the next generation of progressives and show them some respect.

[poli-junkie]

2. Young people are our way out of this mess

because they are more nimble on social media. Time to ask them for our help.

[Kaleva]

27. They are not going to be able to stop climate change

[Think. Again.]

49. Because older people are stopping them.

[Nixie]

66. No, elections are stopping all of us. We were all younger when we

voted for Al Gore, but he didn’t win 25 years ago. Now those “young” people are in their 40’s or 50’s. “Older people are stopping them.” How laughably clueless.

[Think. Again.]

67. "Laughably clueless" ?

Perhaps you haven't read some of the vitriol towards young voters here on DU.

[Nixie]

69. Yes, I have. Especially around the TikTok shutdown a couple

weeks ago. One poster called TikTok users “fucking idiots,”. It was a very stupid thing to say about 145 million users of any social media, especially young people.

I guess I see the broad brushing of “old” people and find that just as short sighted. We all age as elections come and go. The 20-year-olds who voted for Clinton are now going into their 30’s, and I’m sure you would agree those “young” people would have been better off with Clinton than Trump.

Attacking Republicans rather than Democrats is what I see “old” people saying. The republicans have obviously played the long game. They vote for absolute idiot scum just to retain power. Surely Gore would have been better than Bush.

We all have to understand how the electorate is voting and learn our lessons going forward, young and old.

[Kaleva]

73. But nobody can stop them from preparing for it.

And it doesn't help when 46% of young voters voted for Trump.

[Think. Again.]

74. All I know is that the hate that gets spewed ...

...against young voters here on DU certainly isn't making them feel very welcome to the Democratic Party.

[yardwork]

93. They don't read DU.

[Think. Again.]

98. I've known at least 3 that were chased away in the last year.

[yardwork]

100. I don't believe that. Chased away? Lol.

[Think. Again.]

101. Yup, spoke with them individually over DU mail...

...tried to get them to hang on but youth doesn't put up with much garbage these days.

[yardwork]

103. That's not being chased away, though.

[Think. Again.]

105. Okay.

[mahina]

3. I definitely

want DU to grow and know the young people are necessary and brilliant.

Doesn't mean I throw the older people under the bus, if they have a track record of standing up for us and have the commitment. Bernie is old. We're lucky he is there.

Anyway I'm open to learning and support your encouragement for young folks! 'd add to that, insulting the people we are working to persuade to understand it's not young v old, right v. left, progressive v. whatever you can call former conservatives (burn it downers?) It's the people v the billionaires and the oligarchs.

my .02

aloha

[iemanja]

4. and stop being rude to new posters

[NoonTimeRag]

6. Is it ok to say

That the party is completely going down in flames now? Something has to change quickly or it's going to be gone.

There's a guy named asmongold on youtube and he has a huge young following. Gen-Z is getting lost.

[iemanja]

7. I think it's a reasonable POV

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but perhaps overstated.

You edited your post after I responded. I don't know who asmagold is, but I don't think views of random people on social media is the way to choose a president.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

76. asmongold seems to be some right-wing gaming troll

Called for Palestinians to be genocided, attacks women gamers. Really nice role model for the Democratic Party.

[LeftInTX]

12. What???? Is this the future????

He calls himself a professional neckbeard. Let me check with Gen Zer that I know......

And there is a coup in the Democratic party because of this guy????

Is not showering the future of America?

Link to tweet

[NoonTimeRag]

13. Watch the DNC one with 711k views already.

[LeftInTX]

14. I'm sorry. Someone who goes for weeks without showering is not the future of a America!

He would stink too much!

This video has 759 K viewers! So what??

&ab_channel=JusReign


This one has 92.5 million viewers..LOL

&ab_channel=RandomChannel

Maybe people just like to watch weird.

And what does it say about the WORLD when this is the most watched video in history of youtube. 15 billion views!

&ab_channel=BabyShark-PinkfongKids%E2%80%99Songs%26Stories

[intheflow]

62. This is one of the worst takes I've seen on DU.

Oh, those unwashed young people! Those damn dirty hippies! Hey, you kids! Get off my lawn!

Yeah, what goes around comes around.

And also: what does it say that Baby Shark is the most watched video? I dunno, that it’s a catchy tune that literally millions of children across the world love? If you want to see the cultural impact of Baby Shark, watch this video of protesters in Lebanon singing Baby Shark to a child who was scared of the protests. Maybe Baby Shark’s high views are a sign that people love our children so much we’ll play an annoying song over and over again just because it brings them joy.

[LeftInTX]

91. The guy is an incel, loner, gamer, manosphere guy.

Love the confirmation basis. You think he's good because he bashes Democrats and doesn't shower?? Is everyone who bashes Democrats good? Is that what DU is coming to?

[intheflow]

96. Oh, you posted something of substance instead of just calling him dirty.

Colored me surprised.

[The Wandering Harper]

19. I wouldn't say it's going down in flames yet

but definitely has some fires to put out

[JustAnotherGen]

124. I don't believe our Party is

I've been a registered Democratic since 1991.

Let me clear this up - That's Gen X. . . not a Boomer.

On that note - in my opinion - Boomers were and are the GOAT - The Greatest Generation. I stand on the shoulders of Black Americans and Women who came before me.

Back on topic - If it is going 'down in flames' I question the source (not you poster) of that comment. I've been alive long enough to remember the constant shrill harping of the media that "The Dems are in Disarray".

What I DO think needs to happen - is the purity tests need to stop now.

I don't believe in a Universal income for everyone.
Another person might believe Tariffs will stick it to the man (I'm on the opposite side of that).

Can we both agree that Voting Rights are Critical? If so - we aren't in disarray. We aren't going down in flames.

Right now - me? I'm so sick and tired of the media and everyone else continuing to call the MagaPublicans Republicans. The Republican party is dead.

But the MagaPublicans always come home to their 'daddy'.

Just my two cents. I'm starting to see the IRL activism pick up amongst Genz and Millenials where it SHOULD be. That doesn't look like anything is being burned up in flames to me.

[samplegirl]

54. Yeah D.U.

Has pushed so many people away with snark!
Not just young people.
Some people hat have to be mean!

[LudwigPastorius]

5. Do young people even post on message boards/forums any more?

(That's a question, not an insult.)

[The Wandering Harper]

9. I encountered a twenty-something member tonight

their experience is partly what inspired the OP

[Jack Valentino]

15. I'm sure they are the exceptions

We are dinosaurs here.... The original version of this software was created before 9-11,
back when I was still fresh to 'America Online'...

[The Wandering Harper]

21. so what?

should those who do show up here be unwelcome?
and tell their friends how awful it is here?

[JI7]

26. Most young people wouldn't want to come here

even if people told them how great it was and everyone was nice.

Becsuse there is so much more out there for young people.

[The Wandering Harper]

32. didn't you just say

"People here are always claiming to know what young people want."

[Celerity]

47. there are millions of us younger folk on Reddit

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As of November/December 2024, Reddit is the 6th or 9th most-visited website in the world (depending on which ranking site you use).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-visited_websites

[Tree Lady]

110. There are some good subreddits there

for people on the left.

I don't do politics there but see stuff while I am there.

[missingm]

8. Maybe a new Category for Change?

We could use discussion on change in the Party. Doesn't have to be unmanaged or destructive, bit recommending one Dem vs another (obviously not the Russian plant) should be ok.

[B.See]

10. That forum is called

The Way Forward

[iemanja]

11. There is one

The Way Forward. https://democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1324

[JI7]

16. Most young people don't come to a place like this

becsuse they are at a time in their life where they have so many other interests.

People here are always claiming to know what young people want.

[The Wandering Harper]

17. See reply #9, and

I'm 51. I have friends ranging from seven years old to eighty-three, but most my friends are younger than me. When a bunch of them were wondering about alternatives to the increasingly shitty modern social medium platforms, I was hesitant to direct any of them here because of the ageism toward young people I see so much

[JI7]

25. If people are that offended then political forums

are not for them.

[The Wandering Harper]

36. you sure seem offended by my OP

lol

[Celerity]

45. There are replies in OP threads broadbrushing Gen Zers as idiots, etc, and these are done with little to no delineation

nor specificity.

If I were to say the same things about Boomers, I would be flayed alive here. Instead, some of those Gen-Z kickabout replies have had double-digit recs.

The same broad-brush slating/youth-bashing has been going on here in regards to Millennials as well, since I joined DU (and I am sure before that).

[DeepWinter]

65. I would add

DU is very liberal/progressive and a pretty broad brush is also applied to fellow Democrats that are very moderate/establishment.

[electric_blue68]

115. It is true that I have seen Gen Z called "idiots" here, on occasion.

Now, I don't remember specifics.

In relationship to another post of (I think) yours, I think I responded sympathetically to Student Loans difficulties. Probably because my then college ('70-'74) had for a very long time a scholarship for each student. I didn't have the difficulties many do have bc of that. I think they changed it, but have the goal of returning to it.

[H2O Man]

18. (Recommended.)

Now just a gal-darned minute! When I was younger -- so much younger than today -- the youth were known for adopting each and every single value and delusion of their elders. And we were mighty glad to do so. When the young, brash heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali said, "I don't have to be who you want me to be," we knew he was wrong. Darn him. Or when that guy John Lennon and his group "The Bay City Rollers" sang, "All You Need is Love," we debated burning records, but burned weed instead, in non-violent protest. We copied our parents music, hair styles, and dress. We loved when President Nixon conducted the baptisms of Abbie Hoffman, Grace Slick, Jim Morrison, and Janis Joplin in Pat Boone's swimming pool. I note that more people watched that than the moon landing.

These fucking kids could learn a lot from our experiences.

[The Wandering Harper]

20. Brilliant

[malaise]

58. A fabulous post

Rec

[iemanja]

23. The OP is concerned about driving young people off this site

and thereby making it irrelevant. They are not speaking of themself.

[Kaleva]

28. Is it even an issue?

Has active membership or star membership declined over the years? Has it increased?

[iemanja]

30. It is an issue for young people, yes

I don't know about active or star memberships, but with an increasingly demographic, it's inevitable. I happen to think a diversity of ideas and experiences is a good thing.

[Kaleva]

31. How do we know it's an issue for young people here?

DU, as far as I can tell, is just as vibrant today as it was when I joined in 2008.

I'm just guessing but I also think the majority of active people here joined after I did.

Edit: I just looked at your profile to see when you joined and I see that you used to go be BainsBane!

[iemanja]

35. Because they have responded to posts saying so

in threads bashing the younger generation. I've also seen polls where people disclose their ages, and there are few DUers under 50. It's also a very white site.

Yes, I used to be BainsBane. I changed my name when Skinner/EarlG offered the option because I didn't want to be tethered to an old election. I now go by the Brazilian goddess of the sea. Feb 2 is the day they celebrate her, BTW.

[LeftInTX]

37. Younger people prefer social media.

It's more "vibrant" to them. I think it's a personal preference.

I'm old and I don't like Tik Tok videos because I really don't like watching things with loud background music. I don't like Facebook stories either. (Same issue) It's a personal preference for me.

[Kaleva]

70. Same with me

[Celerity]

48. It is a real problem here. I have posted on this subject (sometimes in depth) for years here.

[Kaleva]

71. How do you know it's an issue?

What percentage of younger DUers have left here because of the atmosphere?

Has DU membership declined in the past few years? If so, by how much?

[The Wandering Harper]

85. If it's an issue for anyone who comes here in good faith

it should be an issue for all of us.
That's solidarity, and we need a lot more of it to get through this

[Celerity]

94. As long as I have been here there have been very few actively posting DU's near my age. Look at the 'what age group

are you on polls' as well. Multiple ones had hundreds of responses, and myself and a random, gardly posting account or two were often the only ones under 25yo (now I am 28) and even up into the 35yo or even 40yo and unders there were usually a small handful at most.

As I have posted often before, I tried for years to get so many I know in my real life social set (a global one, including many Americans) and afe cohort (18 to 34) to join DU, and almost everyone (including many who actually did check it out) told me 'thanks but no thanks'.

Many of them mentioned the far too often seen open hostility by too many here when it came to subjects involving us younger folk (student loan threads were notorious for that).

This is definitely a far older (than the average US age in general) board in terms of it's demographics, and it is ageing, on balance, more each year.

I see few actually new (new as in not alt accounts of already existing DU posters) posters who come in and contribute on a regular basis and who stick around for at least a year and who do not eventually get tossed (directly or otherwise).

I have always been quite good at pattern recognition and other analytical endeavours, and despite not having hard data from the owners if the site, I absolutely do not believe this board has any truly significant level of active participation from the 35yo and under age cohort, and has not for ages (if ever).

All one needs to do to see easily observed manifestations of the above is to look at hhe staggering amount of 50s, 60s, and 70s cultural references that saturate the board on a daily basis. Compare that to a profound lack of younger Millennial and Gen Z cultural idioms (not to mention waves of self-admitted lack of knowledge about our cultural inputs, outputs, and social structures, etc).

I also (to a lesser degree of certainty, but still substantial in my confidence about it) do not see this board as being in much of a state of actual net-on-net growth, in terms of legitimately 'new' posters.

You can see this openly reflected in the amount of posts and replies at present compared to amounts for both from previous times. I often use DU Search and it is amazing how many '300, 400, or more replies' OP threads that were churned out here a decade (and/or longer) ago, compared to DU now.

[electric_blue68]

114. I have noticed certain posts get up to say 250, 300, even a bit more. Not that many compared to....

the previous swath of time you mention.

I've only been here since June ? '23.

[LeftInTX]

95. I think one reason: DU is hard to use on a phone. At least it is for me!

When I had my house remodeled, I rarely posted. I was kinda stuck in a room with a phone. I gravitated more to SM.

[NoonTimeRag]

33. When I look around

I see either people over 25k posts and 10 years on here and almost nobody new. Is that normal? All over this site it seems that way.

[LeftInTX]

38. That's because young people prefer social media. They were raised with it.

It's very hard to share images on DU. Certain images can't even be shared here. You need to screenshot and then upload them to an image sharing site. It's tedious. Also, if I'm working on a post, it "doesn't save". There is no draft for it or anything. The site itself is pretty much in the early 2000's.

Also, have you ever tried posting on DU with a smartphone??? It's a night mare. DU doesn't even have a spell checker on my phone. It's extremely tedious and no fun! Young people are on their phones all the time and they are going to gravitate to platforms which are smartphone friendly.

[electric_blue68]

113. I haven't had a working computer (vs a tablet, or smartphone) for about 3 yrs... So I've Only Posted on DU With my...

smartphone.

I've had very little problems. It’s true having to use a image hosting site; It's extra steps.However if you do it often enough it becomes semi-automatic, easier to go through it.

It's like learning to, say, go on line and search in the first place.

I remember the first year late 1995 (afer going to a pretty rare back then - Net Café in The East Village), or so using the Library's computers for on line activity vs searching their database for books. Over time I could set up faster, and faster which meant I had more time to actually do stuff.

It takes some patience to become fast using various tools. 👍

[Kaleva]

68. I see many who joined within the last few years

There is no way for me to know their ages but DU gets new members all the time.

Sometimes I go back to read old threads from 10 or more years ago and I see familiar names that are no longer here for whatever reason. Do there is turnover.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

109. The FReak site is much more that way, much higher proportion of elderly types. DU has more vigor. . . . . nt

[H2O Man]

24. Er, what makes

you think it is about the person's experience?

[Kaleva]

29. How do we know it's not growing?

[FDRFTW]

34. And don't ban people because they support progressives, like Bernie.

[Tree Lady]

111. Many of us boomers love him to

I volunteered on his campaign years ago.

[Skittles]

39. who is insulting young folk

certainly not me!!!

I keep saying the older Dem politicians need to pass the baton already, I think too many of them are very much OUT OF TOUCH.

[The Wandering Harper]

44. more names than I can remember /nt

[iemanja]

84. There is an active thread now

in which the whole thing is dedicated to insulting Gen Z. These appear regularly.

[Skittles]

116. OK that is just plain wrong

no generation takes kindly to being trashed as a group, and for good reason

[KS Toronado]

41. Dad always said "if you can't say aomething nice........"

[NoonTimeRag]

42. Bluesky

Is the same. It's impossible to use without being banned or mass blocked without explanation. It's terrible.

[Skittles]

50. uh huh

[Violet_Crumble]

55. Yeah, that happens to MAGA trolls.

Dumbfucks. Cry me a river of tears.

[Violet_Crumble]

60. So what? Aussies hate MAGA and Trump too n/t

[radical noodle]

79. As do people all over the world

And making more enemies every day.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

108. Unfortunately for some it has "blue" in the name. Probably why Muck ditched the Bluebird. . . . nt

[rubbersole]

43. You should start one.

[progree]

46. There was one, jackpineradicals.com, that some disgruntled (and many banned) DUers started in 2016

in the wake of the bitter 2016 primaries battles (Hillary v. Bernie).

But they had a similar problem -- maintaining and enforcing a part of the ideological spectrum.

When they were done lionizing Bernie, they started boosting Tulsi Gabbard

I see their domain name is up for sale for $4,911 . No idea why they would think it's worth that.

[Think. Again.]

51. Great OP.

Whenever I've tried to mention that the blanket-bashing of the younger vote won't help build our voter ranks (which I did before and during the campaign), I was swarmed by multiple "old-timers" (or just one using multiple names?) who tried baiting and stalking to shut me down.

I've seen more than one 'new, young' voice here be harrassed out the door, never to return.

So Thank You for posting this.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

52. It's ageism which is prejudice and bigotted. Age is an interesting clue, but is not determinative

You set this in the right frame: If DU is to grow, then respect for all ages is what is needed, but especially for younger folk.

New young members can stay for a long time. Those of us who joined twenty years ago were twenty years younger then but some forget. Old members tend to stop posting when they die. Younger members have less tendency to die and they do have great ability to learn and grow.

[IcyPeas]

53. Younger folks are all on social media, tiktok, YouTube, Reddit, etc.

We could be sharing info there. DU has more news stories here than you would ever see on tv news. It's such an informative site. The more the merrier (as long as they're not weirdos).

I don't know how many younger folk have signed up on BlueSky.

[The Wandering Harper]

107. most of the people I know are younger than me (51)

many of them have recently signed up on bluesky
I considered suggesting they check DU, but . . .

[Walleye]

56. Here's a thought, let's not insult anyone, individual or group.

Insults are the lowest form of conversation. Result of intellectual laziness and immaturity. No insults would be the best course. I think it’s getting so that’s all you read on social media anymore.

[malaise]

57. Agree

Rec

[SADAR]

61. Perhaps stop insulting everybody ?

Perhaps stop doing the Repubs job of "divide and conquer" for them?
Perhaps stop piling on when someone is perceived as "wrong"?
Perhaps stop deciding that if one is in the "wrong" state that they don't matter?

[elocs]

63. I don't care. I don't consider myself a DUer, I just read and post here. n/t

[marble falls]

64. Maybe if they stopped their 'boomer' crap?

[The Wandering Harper]

86. childish both-siderism. Wasn't "don't trust anyone over 30"

A phrase going around when boomers were young?
Shouldn't boomers be the mature ones?

[ProfessorGAC]

87. You're Kidding, Right

First, it's not both-siderism. Not sure you know what that term means.
Secondly, if you didn't want pushback, perhaps a condescending, lecturing OP wasn't the right approach.
Third, using the term "childish" is awfully close to a violation of TOS.
It doesn't appear you considered the ramifications of your post.

[The Wandering Harper]

106. maybe I'm not clear on the meaning of both-siderism, I'll give you that

and you're probably right about my use of childish,
I can get as reactive as anyone.
But I've posted enough here to expect pushback.

[marble falls]

134. Quit looking for split seams and hair out of place and start looking for common ground ...

... we old fucks have a lot in common with you young'uns, like war, poverty, why REITs have 11 millions of housing units held back to keep prices and rents artificially high, why crisis investors speculate on headlines to raise profits to the detriment of ALL OF US.

[marble falls]

133. It's not "bothsiderism" by a long shot ...

... "Don't trust anyonr over 30" was coined in 68 (two years before Gen X and three years before Elon Musk) by a leader of the Free Speech Movement in Berkley - Jack Weinberg in '68 when he was 28 years old. A shame, in two years he'd never be able to trust himself again. It was an effort to do two things: an effort to over 30s to start trusting we under 30s ( I was 17 in 68 and I was continually told to keep my place and shut up), and to just down the "Generational Gap", (and we all are more tribal regarding our generation than ever).

When reporters pointed out to either Jerry Ruben or Abbie Hoffman was told he was a year or two over 30, he replied, "Don't trust anyone over 40!"

Trump is no boomer. But we boomers trusted a lot of politicians and leaders over 30, some of us were co-opted - just like Xers, Millenials (Gen Y), and Gen Z. Like Gen Alpha and Gen Beta will, too.

This "boomer" crap is offensive and has no goal past libeling others. That's the difference a lot of these younger folk do not get. We were saving the world. And they are just interested in their own personal comfort.

See what I did there? I just gave the 'boomer treatment' to a lot of people that are as open and caring as a lot of boomers are.

We boomers have a lot of common drives, goals, values with the following gens, especially with Gen X and Y. I have great faith in them to fix the system and not rag anyone else on their side. I wish I could be here for time AOC's gen gets a chance at the wheel.

[demmiblue]

72. No kidding.

Not gonna lie, if I were part of that demographic, I probably wouldn't post here!

I would gladly trade my ignore list for some younger folks. We need their perspective, even if it means butting heads every now and then.

[betsuni]

75. I keep hearing how Democrats (Olds) are too nice, spineless, weak, don't fight, bring spoons to knife fights,

have no idea what's going on and so on. Why would Young People be driven off DU, weeping and insulted?

I don't believe that for a second, how condescending! The polarizing Age Wars are stupid. It won't work.

[Kilgore]

77. Perhaps an age poll is in order n/t

[The Wandering Harper]

82. I saw one a few months ago

a handful of members under 50 responded
but dozens over 50

[iemanja]

83. And many 70 and above

[Kilgore]

89. Not surprising

[LuvLoogie]

78. Earl's gotta get an engaging speaker

to do regular Tik Tok videos highlighting this Discussion Board. Most top social media creators are on multiple platforms.

D.U. needs to become a content creator itself, beyong aggregating information. It IS more than an aggregator, but it is very good at that--and at sharing little known stories.

DU has its own personality, and that can be promoted on various platforms. Start clicking on some TikTok videos, folks. It's worth sifting through the bad shit to get to the good, because the good is really good - - and DU could add to that and to a larger audience and still maintain and grow this board.

[SalviaBlue]

90. "DU has its own personality..."

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This is because of the wisdom and life experience of the posters and their ability to express this wisdom with the written word. This format isn’t for everyone and I am okay that it trends to attract an older demographic.

[LuvLoogie]

97. I agree with that

And in a video on TikTok, one could express that. Sample script:

"Hi. We're from The Democratic Underground, a community of old school forums in the written word. We have a community of great writers and posters in various styles with a wide variety of interests and experience. We would like to interact with some of our younger kindred. Check us out and lurk a bit,. Engage if you like...

etc.

Not only that but start commenting and engaging with other TikTok'rs' content as D.U.

D.U. needs to be present and engaged as an entity. Across platforms.

[questionseverything]

112. Trying to read on du w/o a membership is nearly impossible

The ads cover everything and as soon as you clear one , more pop up, so I don’t know how it could ever attract new members…. I wouldn’t pay for a membership to a place I couldn’t try for free

///////

[The Wandering Harper]

119. maybe I have a good ad blocker?

but I didn't have that issue when I was starless

[Elessar Zappa]

80. No kidding.

A bunch of “get off my lawn” and old man yelling at clouds vibes here.

[travelingthrulife]

81. Cool. I'll remember that next time my generation (boomer) is insulted.

Get over yourself. You guys are the ones who need to rise up and fight back. We did it during our generation too, and we received generational insults as well, but it is YOUR future being decimated here.

[Hitorque]

88. Anybody directly or indirectly supporting Trumpism is getting insulted by me, young or old...

[The Wandering Harper]

118. Insulting someone is a great way to change their mind

[Hitorque]

131. If they were capable of changing their minds

They wouldn't be useful idiots and Trumpers.

I've stopped trying to talk reason to irrational people -- No longer worth my time, energy or mental health... But you be my guest and keep trying to talk to them. 🤨

[yardwork]

92. Stop telling DUers what to do.

All the young people I know in RL are not interested in DU. They are not going to participate here. They think we're a bunch of geezers - and, basically, with a few exceptions, that's accurate.

DU was founded in January, 2001. I joined in 2004, when I was middle aged. Do the math and most of us are at or near retirement age.

Lots of us have millennial and Gen Z children and family, and most of what's posted here about them is fairly accurate.

If you don't like it, leave.

[The Wandering Harper]

102. I am a DUer

This is my 3rd incarnation here. I joined in 2001 when I was 28.
Don't tell me what to do

[betsuni]

99. I guess middle-aged DUers need to start whining about how the Olds are insulting them by ignoring them

and trying to murder DU dead. They're totally not getting any attention in the Age Wars.

[The Wandering Harper]

117. I fit the description but I'd rather whine about them insulting young people

what can I say, one of my three best friends turned seven on Sunday

[Kaleva]

120. We should be nice with people who put Tictoc above democracy?

I won't.

[The Wandering Harper]

121. that's quite a broad brush you're painting with there

believe it or not, there are some young people who know what's up

[Kaleva]

122. You paint with a broad brush youself

You made no distinction between young Magahat and young progressives

[The Wandering Harper]

123. how many joints did you have to dislocate to make that reach?

[Kaleva]

125. What about young people who didn't vote because of Gaza

I'll continue to tell those who did to get lost and fuck themselves.

[Kaleva]

128. You can't change the minds of hopeless piles of shit

You can't fix stupid.

[The Wandering Harper]

130. then I'll take your advice

and welcome you to my ignore collection

[Kaleva]

132. And I'll continue to tell them to go fuck themselves.

[LizBeth]

126. I love our young people, even our stupid ones if honest but.... so many smart informed awesome youth

out there.

[ismnotwasm]

129. Agree.

I cringe every time I see a young person bashing post.

Boomers and GenX both had a majority vote for Trump.