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Mexico just folded
Just heard on the top of the hour radio news that Mexico is sending 10,000 troops to secure the border.
That gained a month delay on the tarrifs.
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Irish_Dem
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Initech
(108,783 posts)
Irish_Dem
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Dave Bowman
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obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)Just liek Colombia didn't fold. Why are you buying this spin?
Walleye
(44,805 posts)Waving his wang to the world
GreenWave
(12,641 posts)
NJCher
(43,165 posts)feel sorry for them and hope they get help.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Posting OPs and then refusing to engage in discussion is disruptive. Maybe I'm alone in not liking that kind of behaviour. Maybe not.
Between this OP and the next they made a single post elsewhere.
7 hours later after this OP, started another disruptive thread with still no reply as of this writing: https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19984700
Three posts in the afternoon, none of them a reply to any discussion in the two OPs.
Wingus Dingus
(9,173 posts)Theater on both sides.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)That's a problem Mexico has had that is caused by the US.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)
Chuuku Davis
(607 posts)To me that would mean fentanil is Mexico's problem.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)that wouldn't know logic if it was shoved down his fucking throat.
It is a fact that weapons go across the border to cartels in Mexico from the US and it has been a problem for some time.
subterranean
(3,762 posts)
usonian
(25,318 posts)Inquiring minds want to know.
Tickle
(4,131 posts)Mexico is supposed to send 10k troops to the border. We shall see
Ocelot II
(130,533 posts)Mexico agreed to move some troops to the border; it will cost them basically nothing just to relocate some soldiers. But it delayed the tariffs while giving Trump time to save face. Smart negotiating by Sheinbaum.
Self Esteem
(2,248 posts)And that's what he'll do. He'll say he leveraged a deal to protect our border.
This isn't going to play out that Trump folded. He's still dangling the tariffs. He got concessions from Mexico, even if they are trivial, and that's how it's going to be presented.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)It's exhausting.
Self Esteem
(2,248 posts)It's about the perception of the narrative. Anyone who has paid attention to Trump for the last eight-plus years knows how he operates. He creates a crisis so he can solve it. That's what he did here. He threw up the threats of tariffs to extract demands, even if superficial, so he can say he "won".
It's not about actual policy with Trump but getting the wins, even if they're only optical wins.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Trump succeeds with his sleight of hand when Democrats help him spread his lies and misdirection.
Self Esteem
(2,248 posts)Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. But it certainly won't be played as Trump folding. That should be a bigger concern than trying to convince a bunch of people here on DU that Trump somehow folded.
Trump got exactly what he wanted. He created a crisis so he could get minor concessions and play it up as a huge win.
delisen
(7,366 posts)Why would you accept any pathetic framing from Trump or anything the old press comes up with.
Self Esteem
(2,248 posts)What you and I accept is also irrelevant. It's what the rest of the country accepts and most people aren't going to look at this as Trump folding. It's not going to be played up as Trump folding in the media. The average voter is going to hear that Mexico agreed to do this or that and that's how he plays the win.
And that's exactly what we're seeing in the media right now. Literally the top headline on CBS News right now:
There's nothing in that headline that implies Trump folded.
It doesn't matter how you or I perceive this. To average people? It's not going to be played up as Trump folding.
delisen
(7,366 posts)The task of the Free World is to manage and isolate Trump. They are working on thiss.
We failed to maintain control of our government and lost our democracy. That lesson is being learned by citizens of other countries.
Are you committed to the struggle to regain our democracy or are you going to play the role of some negative Greek Chorus in those ancient dramas ?
Self Esteem
(2,248 posts)We're in this mess because people honestly believe Trump uses abrasive rhetoric to get deals done. This feeds into that narrative: Trump isn't serious but he managed to get concessions from Mexico and Canada! The media will present it as such, the voter will accept it as such and he'll be more emboldened because of it.
Cosmocat
(15,424 posts)They said they would not resign onto some trade agreement or something with China no one has ever heard about and MAGA world is exalting him WINNING!
Self Esteem
(2,248 posts)He creates a stupid crisis and then gets small concessions and sells it as a big win.
Wiz Imp
(9,996 posts)Trump's spin is irrelevant to the facts. People who understand the truth should be screaming at the top of their lungs that Trump is a lying sack of shit and explain the truth. People scream about the Democrats not fighting back, and then some of these same people then just roll over and accept that Trump has won a dispute because he spins it that way. This needs to stop. Never accept Trump's explanation or spin on anything. Fight back on everything.
haele
(15,399 posts)Mexico can say they sent 10k troops, but who knows if it's 100 at a time, rotating through every three days, or 10k assigned with 1k on duty patrolling at any one time, or whatever?
This isn't like the US, which can and supposedly is using ground sensors and drones as a significant force multiplayer if a nation really wants to secure the border.
In fact, ground sensors and drones are more effective than walls to locate smuggler routes and apprehend undocumented or criminal border crossers with a minimum of fuss to Border Patrol.
Walls just slow them down by 1/2 hour at most. And Walls will become more and more difficult to be maintained properly, especially since this Administration appears to prefer the Russian and Chinese model of contracting and procurement.
Hugin
(37,848 posts)Yeah, right.
The Mexicans are playing the High Maintenance Mussolini like a bass chello.
snowybirdie
(6,687 posts)and its people. But having been stopped by the Federal troops several times for their drug interaction program. (Along major,roadways, at random) I can report they are not the best of trained troops. Sometimes wearing half a uniform or having a weapon with no bullets, seems to be the norm. They will take a cold drink if offered and can be distracted with a joke and a smile. Once they offered to trade for our dog for a pass of no car search. Not impressed with this offer, we made a joke and all was well. Good luck with border help Donnie dumbfuck!
madaboutharry
(42,033 posts)Mexico didn’t fold.
President Sheinbaum is smarter than him. She knows exactly who she is dealing with.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)She played the 5D chess and won, not him, and she still wants Google to change what America is called on maps.
True Dough
(26,667 posts)holding the tariff threat over the heads of Mexican and Canadian leadership, pushing more and more ridiculous demands on them all the while.
Other world leaders should be working in the background to form their own free-trade agreements and leave Trump and the U.S. out of them. Teach that orange fucker a lesson.
dweller
(28,409 posts)Times 2
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EndlessWire
(8,103 posts)Who's that guy who recently said that an invasion was not off the table? Or that bombing was not off the table? It may well be that she folded, but it seems more like prudence to me. She's doing her job of protecting Mexico.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)
LeftInTX
(34,294 posts)interests first.
Yes, Trump is a MF but he's mostly our MF. He's mostly "our" problem. He's not "their" problem as much as we perceive it.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Trump is blustering and threatening and Mexico and Canada are blustering back.
It's a bunch of theater to keep Trump's rubes distracted. Don't fall for it.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Of course tRump will propagandize it as a fold.
Don't buy into that. He's playing his suckers.
Emile
(42,289 posts)dweller
(28,409 posts)It depends on which way the soldiers are facing
In towards their own country ?
Or out facing the US ?
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Turbineguy
(40,074 posts)By then there will be a bunch more trump-made crisis to deal with.
delisen
(7,366 posts)Mexico now has cover for amassing its troops on the border to ward off the military invasion Hegseth was threatening.
Mexico has been building up its Army since the threats from Trump started.
Trump has come up not just empty handed but a loser because Scheinbaum has also placed the issue of US border violations on the table for the world to see.
MAGA now gets to ponder the higher food price scenarios and the potential for their children and grandchildren to die along a militarized border.
cachukis
(3,936 posts)per Vought and Project 2025. When he says he never read that project he was probably accurate. He doesn't care. It is a means for his power.
He responds to whomever has his ear to present political advantage.
His supporters/base do not understand what he is doing, but listen to sound bites.
trump got Mexico to respond. Whoopee.
What is happening at such a rapid pace has no General in guidance of a response..
We need a war footing to defend the Constitution.
Who is in the command headquarters working to outflank this attack?
trump will continue to fuck up, but serious damage is being done as he does.
This is not save your seat time for Democrats.
We must flood the media with rational, forceful responses to stop these incursions.
Most Americans do not want to lose their abilities to pursue happiness.
He says some pain. Really. When has he ever given a shit?
Polybius
(21,900 posts)A lot of food that I buy is from Mexico, and tariffs would likely raise the prices on them. Plus we get a stronger border on their side. Everybody wins, no?
TubbersUK
(1,517 posts)
mr715
(3,564 posts)They did politics. Exercised power and diplomacy. Got what they wanted by doing very little.
MR
AStern
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LexVegas
(6,959 posts)
andym
(6,066 posts)But the delay in tariffs is for one month. Then they will need something else to placate him.
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)Which shows that they can control him.
malaise
(296,101 posts)😀
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)"But Mexico never did give nothing to the Orange Man
That he didn't, didn't already have..."
Ping Tung
(4,370 posts)
WhiteTara
(31,260 posts)She played him big time and got some sort of promise (probably another lie) that he will slow the flood of guns to Mexico.
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GP6971
(38,013 posts)Emile
(42,289 posts)GP6971
(38,013 posts)their DU Pizza Awards Card handy so they could get more points.
Emile
(42,289 posts)sarisataka
(22,695 posts)A nice pizza is better than bologna
dutch777
(5,068 posts)If the goal is really to control folks other than Mexicans, which is as much in Mexico's interest as Trump's, then stopping the walk-ins from Central and South America is a major part of the equation. Last thing Mexico needs is a bunch of folks coming north and then being trapped in their country with no good way to get to the US and no easy way to get home. Trump and his ilk do not note that 40% of the folks that become illegal immigrants were in fact legal visitors when they crossed the border--be they tourists, student, temporary worker or whatever, and then just overstayed their visas. He makes a big show of his round-ups but assuming the 40% figure stays the same, his deportations are doing little to decrease the net 11 million supposed illegal immigrants in the US.
WillowTree
(5,350 posts).......to Mexico's southern border.
Nevilledog
(55,080 posts)WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration has struck an agreement with Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala to temporarily surge security forces to their borders in an effort to reduce the tide of migration to the U.S. border.
The agreement comes as the U.S. saw a record number of unaccompanied children attempting to cross the border in March, and the largest number of Border Patrol encounters overall with migrants on the southern border — just under 170,000 — since March 2001.
According to White House press secretary Jen Psaki, Mexico will maintain a deployment of about 10,000 troops, while Guatemala has surged 1,500 police and military personnel to its southern border and Honduras deployed 7,000 police and military to its border “to disperse a large contingent of migrants” there. Guatemala will also set up 12 checkpoints along the migratory route through the country.
A White House official said Guatemala and Honduras were deploying troops temporarily in response to a large caravan of migrants that was being organized at the end of March.
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demmiblue
(39,719 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(106,210 posts)What a coincidence, eh?