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Nevilledog

(55,078 posts)
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 07:40 PM Feb 2025

"I'm a Federal Worker. People Don't Understand the Level of Heist Elon Musk Is Perpetrating."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/02/elon-musk-us-aid-social-security-data-heist-trump.html

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https://archive.li/qPJ43

On Friday night, reports emerged that Elon Musk’s aides had tussled with Office of Personnel Management and Treasury staffers while demanding access to troves of information about federal employees. And on Sunday, it was reported that Musk had ousted top officials at the U.S. Agency for International Development for refusing him access to classified security and personnel information.

Those of us within the ranks of the federal workforce looked on in horror at all of this. Those outside the federal government might not understand the gravity of this situation. Think of OPM and the Treasury’s Bureau of the Fiscal Service as the valet sheds of the federal government. They’re not flashy or big, but they hold all the keys. OPM maintains the private information of federal civil servants—bank codes, addresses, insurance information, retirement accounts, employment records. The Treasury’s system processes every payment to everyone from grandmothers waiting for their Social Security check to cancer researchers working to crack the cure. Now there’s a ham-fisted goon in an ill-fitting valet attendant’s coat rummaging in broad daylight through all of the keys—all of that private information, previously given in trust, handled with care, and regulated by law.

Now is the moment to act. We should not be waiting until the perps are driving off with every Bimmer in the lot. This information demands careful management, and transparency around its collection and use. Its inadvertent disclosure could irreparably harm millions of American families. And it’s being taken by people that still can’t figure out how to send an email from within the government without having it flagged as a likely phishing attempt. Someone needs to do something.

But while a few civil servants have bravely stepped into the fray, for the most part federal workers can only watch. We have been effectively silenced. The administration issued gag orders to many agencies, curbing their official communications with the general public, regulated communities, or even sometimes one another. Career staffers are struggling to keep up with lists of who they’re allowed to talk to and who they’re not. And the administration has made it chillingly clear it is willing to fire people without any legal justification whatsoever. It cannot be up solely to the cubicle workers of the federal government to stare down certain retribution in order to delay lawless power grabs. Many of us in the platoons of the federal workforce cannot afford to be dismissed, however illegal the dismissal might be. Litigating our termination is also not a privilege for which we have the resources or time.

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"I'm a Federal Worker. People Don't Understand the Level of Heist Elon Musk Is Perpetrating." (Original Post) Nevilledog Feb 2025 OP
K&R! Contact the media to complain of their lack of coverage of these folks speaking out about eloon's rape of our count SheltieLover Feb 2025 #1
Very helpful. Thank you! ancianita Feb 2025 #8
Yw! SheltieLover Feb 2025 #27
An evil terrorist is holding the United States hostage for his amusement dalton99a Feb 2025 #2
I work in the financial sector, anyone accessing data like that would get 20+ years in prison. TheBlackAdder Feb 2025 #37
I think most people understand the level of heist Musk Is perpetrating. Autumn Feb 2025 #3
I don't think they do, even here. gab13by13 Feb 2025 #5
Most Americans don't follow the news. erronis Feb 2025 #10
Half the country doesn't even know. Can't be bothered. Don't vote either. Evolve Dammit Feb 2025 #33
You're wrong, half of the country does not sit out and not vote. Autumn Feb 2025 #34
Google the percentage of population that actually votes. It's about half. Some states are way less. Evolve Dammit Feb 2025 #35
He still got almost half of the vote, enough to beat Kamala. Autumn Feb 2025 #39
Did he? Some would argue that Muskovite swung this one. Hillary beat him by 4 million and he still won, thanks to EC. Evolve Dammit Feb 2025 #40
Some would say there was no proof that Muskovite swung this one, that some Autumn Feb 2025 #42
only hit 60% once (2020) Evolve Dammit Feb 2025 #36
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2025 #4
Many, if not most, myself included... Trueblue Texan Feb 2025 #9
It's evolving and growing. Please follow a couple of non-MSM media. erronis Feb 2025 #11
See my post later this thread Beck23 Feb 2025 #13
Musk now has all your information and the ability to use that information or sell that information Solly Mack Feb 2025 #18
Yes. Beck23 Feb 2025 #22
Everything except my SS # is public record. NT Trueblue Texan Feb 2025 #46
Right! SheltieLover Feb 2025 #28
Retired Federal worker Nictuku Feb 2025 #31
I don't know. I can see many of things that can go terribly wrong with someone like Musk Solly Mack Feb 2025 #32
Musk has all your personal data. Watch to see if your deposit/check arrives. Joinfortmill Feb 2025 #44
And to think 52 years ago a 3rd rate burglary peaked their interest Norbert Feb 2025 #6
And shameful.. BattleRow Feb 2025 #7
I am a recent government contractor Beck23 Feb 2025 #12
I'm assuming these external drives are not encrypted... HipChick Feb 2025 #14
China would love these. Beck23 Feb 2025 #16
Also what meds you take.... slightlv Feb 2025 #19
Let's ve clear. Beck23 Feb 2025 #15
I'm a retired Federal LE Special Agent... Wuddles440 Feb 2025 #17
FBI Resistance Baron2024 Feb 2025 #26
It's somewhat heartening to hear,... Wuddles440 Feb 2025 #30
A Plan For Lawful Resistance Baron2024 Feb 2025 #20
Federal retiree here Betty Boom Feb 2025 #21
Once he is locked up Beck23 Feb 2025 #23
Who is going to do that? Orange Julius runs the show and gave Felon Elon permission to "have fun." Evolve Dammit Feb 2025 #38
Sounds to me like most everyone gets fired in the end, no matter what. bucolic_frolic Feb 2025 #24
The Vandals are sacking Rome. The barbarians are through the gates. meadowlander Feb 2025 #25
Knr UTUSN Feb 2025 #29
Trump supporter response is Musk is he wealthiest man in the world JI7 Feb 2025 #41
The Coup is in full swing. Make a decision and then make a plan... Joinfortmill Feb 2025 #43
He wants to be a trillionaire and he can't achieve that without pulling off the largest heist in the world. Initech Feb 2025 #45
musk is targeting agencies and groups who are investigating him and his companies LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2025 #47

SheltieLover

(80,442 posts)
1. K&R! Contact the media to complain of their lack of coverage of these folks speaking out about eloon's rape of our count
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 07:42 PM
Feb 2025

Americans are ABSOLUTELY clueless.

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TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
37. I work in the financial sector, anyone accessing data like that would get 20+ years in prison.
Tue Feb 4, 2025, 04:50 PM
Feb 2025

Autumn

(48,961 posts)
3. I think most people understand the level of heist Musk Is perpetrating.
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 07:49 PM
Feb 2025

Republican don't fucking care.

erronis

(23,869 posts)
10. Most Americans don't follow the news.
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 09:24 PM
Feb 2025

They'll find out when their heating bills rise by 100%. Or a trip to the lumber yard will end without being able to get any 2x4s.

Most of them are dazed and have plenty to worry themselves about - housing, car expenses, kids, food, etc. They can probably be easily told that all of the problems in 2025 going forward are because of Old Man Biden and that black dude.

I also know plenty of liberal people who aren't actively monitoring what's going on - for their own mental health or lack of interest.

Apathy Abounds.

Autumn

(48,961 posts)
34. You're wrong, half of the country does not sit out and not vote.
Tue Feb 4, 2025, 04:11 PM
Feb 2025

Almost half the country showed up to vote for him. Take it to the bank those who vote for him know what is going on and what he is doing.

Evolve Dammit

(21,774 posts)
35. Google the percentage of population that actually votes. It's about half. Some states are way less.
Tue Feb 4, 2025, 04:42 PM
Feb 2025

Evolve Dammit

(21,774 posts)
40. Did he? Some would argue that Muskovite swung this one. Hillary beat him by 4 million and he still won, thanks to EC.
Tue Feb 4, 2025, 05:02 PM
Feb 2025

Autumn

(48,961 posts)
42. Some would say there was no proof that Muskovite swung this one, that some
Tue Feb 4, 2025, 05:06 PM
Feb 2025

saying that being the leadership of the Democratic party. Hillary got more votes but we don't elected a president by the popular vote. She didn't get the only votes that counted.Trump got them.

Trueblue Texan

(4,461 posts)
9. Many, if not most, myself included...
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 09:16 PM
Feb 2025

…do not really understand the full danger of the threat. I need someone to paint the picture more clearly for me. Yes, I am a Social Security recipient .

erronis

(23,869 posts)
11. It's evolving and growing. Please follow a couple of non-MSM media.
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 09:27 PM
Feb 2025

Everyone has their favorites but mine are EmptyWheel.Net, The Guardian, Heather Cox Richardson.

Solly Mack

(96,940 posts)
18. Musk now has all your information and the ability to use that information or sell that information
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 10:03 PM
Feb 2025

or anything else he wants to do. He may decide to target individuals or groups of people.

If he has a person's medical information, then he can use it to blackmail that person.

If he has access to your direct deposit, then he can stop deposits.

Think of everything that is stored on government computers - he controls a lot of it now.

He's working to control more.

Information really is power, and Musk is being given the motherlode.



Beck23

(411 posts)
22. Yes.
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 10:20 PM
Feb 2025

He has your SS number and home address. Your contributions to political parties, although not at the Treasury, is public information. With that, and their home addresses he could send the Proud Boys after all Democrats.

Nictuku

(4,656 posts)
31. Retired Federal worker
Tue Feb 4, 2025, 10:55 AM
Feb 2025

Last Friday I made a big decision to remove my life savings from the TSP (government version of 401k). Now I'm waiting with baited breath to see the $ transferred to my bank account. Maybe I am over reacting, but I can just see Musk&Co drooling over the 963 Billion that is in that retirement fund. This morning, I got an email saying my request is being processed now and I should see the money tomorrow (*whew* so far, according to the normal flow of things)

My monthly income is my measly government annuity (pension) AND my SS (which I paid into for 40 years). If those are screwed with, I'll be in trouble because my TSP would only last a couple of years if it was my only source of money.

I'm still worried about the last 2, but feel pretty certain that my TSP money will come through.

Do you think I over-reacted?


Solly Mack

(96,940 posts)
32. I don't know. I can see many of things that can go terribly wrong with someone like Musk
Tue Feb 4, 2025, 11:09 AM
Feb 2025

having that much control, that much access, but I can't say for certain what he will do.

I don't trust him or his minions.

The claim is that they are cutting government waste, which no one should believe.

He wouldn't need access to all that information if it was about government waste.

So, what's he really up to?

That's what bothers me.

Beck23

(411 posts)
12. I am a recent government contractor
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 09:51 PM
Feb 2025

I am very familiar with national data privacy laws. Musk's breach of these systems are the biggest cyber security breach in the history of the USA. In addition, they copied the data to external drives, which they took. This data will allow anyone to access our financial and medical records wherever they are stored, such as our doctor's records, and our financial records. If you have direct deposits to your checking account for Social Security checks or tax refunds, your checking account information is also in these systems. Now we have no idea who has this data.

HipChick

(25,612 posts)
14. I'm assuming these external drives are not encrypted...
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 09:58 PM
Feb 2025

Who knows where that data could end up? Dark Web?

slightlv

(7,789 posts)
19. Also what meds you take....
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 10:15 PM
Feb 2025

which, with the level of control they're getting ready to exert over our lives, means they can check for any med that could be an abortifacient... even if it's not. They may declare that "D" is a made-up disease and deny all medications for it as fake.

Besides wondering when Elon is going to steal my SS check, tho... I'm concerned about how many more scams are going to be going on out there. Hubby has already been rooked by one that cleaned out our bank account. Information downloaded onto external, unsecured drives, is basically information out there in the wild. Elon will be offered so much money for this info, or caches of it, and you KNOW he won't turn it down. Watch by how much his $$$ goes up over the next few months. And then wonder who has your data.

Wuddles440

(2,094 posts)
17. I'm a retired Federal LE Special Agent...
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 09:59 PM
Feb 2025

with 30 years of both conducting and supervising criminal investigations and, believe me, I do understand the extent of the absolute lawlessness and wanton destruction that we are witnessing in realtime! In the past, what took most authoritarians years to accomplish, this administration may be able to achieve all their critical goals within the first 100 days. Hell, at the rate they're going it may be in 30 days.

 

Baron2024

(1,492 posts)
26. FBI Resistance
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 10:56 PM
Feb 2025

There is word that a number of FBI Agents are resisting. This is some good news. As a retired federal agent I was wondering what your take is on this? Here is a link to the thread about it--

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19985497

Wuddles440

(2,094 posts)
30. It's somewhat heartening to hear,...
Tue Feb 4, 2025, 10:35 AM
Feb 2025

but once Patel takes charge it'll be comply or be fired. They only want personnel who are 100% loyal to their leader and cause. Any oath that was taken to defend the Constitution is no longer applicable as they now owe their fealty to one man.

 

Baron2024

(1,492 posts)
20. A Plan For Lawful Resistance
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 10:16 PM
Feb 2025

A partial Plan for Lawful Resistance. You may agree or disagree. Constructive comments always appreciated--

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219985541

Betty Boom

(447 posts)
21. Federal retiree here
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 10:18 PM
Feb 2025

When I heard this story, I literally got a chill down my spine because I understood the implications. Bless those security people who bravely physically blocked access but in the end, were unsuccessful.

I was talking earlier to a friend and saying how many of the bed rocks of Federal rules and regulations now seem laughable. The hatch act. Security clearances Records management. Ethics training

It’s a very sad day in America and more than half of the country doesn’t even realize it

Beck23

(411 posts)
23. Once he is locked up
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 10:24 PM
Feb 2025

He does need to be locked up. Once that is done, the government needs to issue new SS numbers right away.

Evolve Dammit

(21,774 posts)
38. Who is going to do that? Orange Julius runs the show and gave Felon Elon permission to "have fun."
Tue Feb 4, 2025, 04:52 PM
Feb 2025

bucolic_frolic

(55,129 posts)
24. Sounds to me like most everyone gets fired in the end, no matter what.
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 10:26 PM
Feb 2025

The economic fallout from pausing or ending all this spending, payrolls, jobs, benefits, will be massively massive.

By June, it will be like 2008 all over again.

meadowlander

(5,133 posts)
25. The Vandals are sacking Rome. The barbarians are through the gates.
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 10:27 PM
Feb 2025

The best we can try to do is board up and disguise the temples and wait for them to finish gorging themselves.

Thanks 2024 electorate!

The cost in taxpayer dollars and the body count from this are both going to be staggering if anyone is left to count and tell the story,

JI7

(93,615 posts)
41. Trump supporter response is Musk is he wealthiest man in the world
Tue Feb 4, 2025, 05:03 PM
Feb 2025

so who are we to question him.

They think he is going to make them wealthy.

Joinfortmill

(21,157 posts)
43. The Coup is in full swing. Make a decision and then make a plan...
Tue Feb 4, 2025, 06:15 PM
Feb 2025

1. I'm going to stand up to these f*ckers. I'm old. My life is almost done, so f*ck 'em.
2. If there are protests near you, join them, but stay as safe as you can.
3. I told my grown children to get passports (they did) and make a plan - they haven't.
4. If you can, keep some cash on hand or at the least keep some extra canned goods.
5. Keep gas in your car.
6. I'm hoping the worst that happens is that my social security check is not deposited, not that money is siphoned out of my account (I doubt this will happen - yet).
7. Try not to be afraid. Speak out against these traitors, but do it wisely.
8. Hug your family.

That's all I can think of. Take care and stay safe.

Initech

(108,772 posts)
45. He wants to be a trillionaire and he can't achieve that without pulling off the largest heist in the world.
Tue Feb 4, 2025, 06:25 PM
Feb 2025

And he attached himself to Trump because Trump is the kind of worthless asshole who will let him get away with it. Fuck Elon and his money.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,822 posts)
47. musk is targeting agencies and groups who are investigating him and his companies
Sun Feb 9, 2025, 03:33 PM
Feb 2025

Musk is targeting agencies/groups/inspector generals who have targeted Musk.



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