A Call To Arrest Musk

[Baron2024]

Dems in the Congress should call for the arrest of Musk and his DOGE Agents. They are guilty of Obstruction of Government Operations, which is a felony. They are also in violation of the Constitution. Only the Congress may fund or defund a government program or agency. Musk is clearly a domestic enemy of the Constitution.

All those who have taken an Oath to defend the Constitution must take action and seize Musk, even if there is resistance from Trump loyalists. This includes any remaining FBI Agents that are still loyal to the Constitution. This is war and Federal Agents must act to defend the Republic before it is lost. Not only the Dems in Congress should be calling for Musk's arrest, there should be a national petition calling for his arrest as well. This should be all over the Media. Arrest Musk Now!

[chicoescuela]

1. 0% chance this will happen

[Baron2024]

3. That Is A Weak Response

We are in the midst of an actual coup taking over the Federal government. This is insurrection. We need to execute a counter coup immediately. Saying that it is impossible is weak and cowardly in my opinion.

[Irish_Dem]

6. Stating facts and reality is certainly not a weak response, it is a strong response.

If you wish to win a war, the plan must be based on facts, data, reality.

Not pie in the sky magical thinking.

If you truly are in it to win it, time to get real.

It is low probability that Musk will be arrested at the current time.
Trump has immunity and his goons are being pardoned.
This is reality.

[chicoescuela]

9. thank you. I believe you are correct.

[Baron2024]

10. How Do You Propose?

How do you propose we stop Musk? I would really like to hear some actual suggestions.

[Irish_Dem]

13. The first step is facing reality, and stop magical fantasy thinking.

I give you credit for the old college try.
But you have everything backwards.

You keep making plans but have not done a risk assessment.
You have no idea how bad the damage is or will be.

No idea who is actually behind all of this.
Who are the real players, the funders and the planners.

There has been no factual assessment of our enemy.
We don't even know who they are at this point.

You can go after the low hanging fruit or the front man but that solves nothing.
And go in a million directions.
That is a waste of ammunition, personnel and resources.

So the first thing to do is do your homework.
Get the intel, the needed information, do some thinking and consulting with others.

Only then can you make a good plan.

There are some very smart, talented, experienced people on this forum
who keep trying to do this needed work and they get shot down and reported
for reasons that mystify me.

[Baron2024]

15. We Need Action

I appreciate your comments but I don't see anything it what you are saying that is a concrete and specific plan for action. Time is of the essence. The horse is out of the barn and we need to take action.

[Baron2024]

18. Also

You wrote this-

"No idea who is actually behind all of this.
Who are the real players, the funders and the planners.

There has been no factual assessment of our enemy.
We don't even know who they are at this point'"

That is just absurd. We know who is behind this. It is Trump, Musk, DOGE and Trump's MAGA gang. They are destroying the government and violating the Constitution. There is no one else "behind all of this". It is them. We need to take action or we will soon be living in a Fascist Police State. That is reality.

[jmowreader]

31. You'll need to go deeper than that

Musk probably never heard of USAID before he tried shutting it down.

While Trump, Musk, DOGE and MAGA Goons are the public face of this coup, the real powers behind the throne are hard-right think tanks like the Heritage Foundation, Americans for Tax Reform, the Family Resource Council and Focus on the Family.

[pazzyanne]

88. BINGO! nt

[Texin]

98. "...the real powers behind the throne are hard-right think tanks ..."

You've got the organizations that had their genesis in the '80s right, but the origins of this idea began really as far back as 1933 when FDR's New Deal initiatives began being implemented. In actuality, the robber barons of the industrial revolution who made their fortunes began to be ever more rapacious in their greed. Their corporate (and essentially kleptocratic) exploitation of individuals who were necessary to run their engines of industry was virtually unchecked, and that is exactly what the modern day kleptocrats like Musk, Thiel, Bezos, etc. are wanting now. They don't care whether earth burns up or not because they don't plan to be here, especially after they have raped all the valuable resources off the globe and killed their workforce.

[Bengus81]

34. Yeah...that was the only laugh I've had all day. "we don't who's behind this"

[AdamGG]

44. Behind them is most likely

Putin

[33taw]

87. Trump's DOJ is not an option. I believe the courts are our best hope.

The Supreme Court may be conservative, but they to like power and do not want a king. We won’t win every battle, but we will win some. We also need to keep contacting our representatives, State AGs, Governors, and Senators. Stay peacefuand keep you shit together when speaking.

[Jilly_in_VA]

102. My proposal

would get me permanently thrown out of DU, so I won't. You figure it out.....

[paulkienitz]

105. let's start with getting the obvious illegality before a judge who can write orders or warrants

[TomSlick]

58. Actually, it is a perfectly sound response.

The Trump DoJ is not going to arrest Musk.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

76. 100%

[D23MIURG23]

96. I'd love to see Musk arrested, but who is going to press charges?

If he's acting at the behest of the president, then the president is the person who should be targeted. Arresting Musk on it's own would just be a publicity stunt if he could be pardoned by Trump or have his charges dropped. We don't need to put energy into actions that are pointless and unhelpful.

[Cirsium]

19. So?

Advocate for what should happen, not what you think is possible. It may not happen even if you do advocate for it, but one thing is certain. Nothing will ever happen if you don't advocate for it. People were advocating for Abolition, for Women's Suffrage, for workers' rights, and for Civil Rights long before they were "possible."

[Pris]

65. This is the response from a powerless people..

..and it is exactly why we are where we are.

If people during the civil rights movement said that we wouldn't have had a civil rights movement. Get a grip.

[flamingdem]

2. Problem is that if he's not arrested he won't stop

And no authority will stop him.

Who is left to place the handcuffs?

[Baron2024]

5. A Plan For Lawful Resistance

Here is a plan for how it might be done.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219988610

[Frasier Balzov]

12. Musk is surrounded by his own private security.

Any arresting team would certainly encounter heavy resistance.

Unless they could overwhelm his guys with astonishing surprise and force.

It might take a renegade element of the military to do it.

Who's ready for a military junta?

With the potential to turn the nation into a free fire zone among its own people?

[Baron2024]

14. You Make Good Points

You make good points but I think federal law enforcement and maybe military action might be the only way to save the Republic. I don't think that feds and military that are loyal to the Constitution would rule as a military junta at all. I think that they would restore Constitutional authority and new elections. It is the Trump Musk Regime that is the real junta. A hostile takeover has already occurred. Thank you for your comment.

[Hanzzy72]

30. This is the way

It's risky, it's a slippery slope, but I don't see any other way. If people are banking on democracy staying intact for the mid terms and the presidential election in four years I have a bridge to sell them. I don't mean to sound insulting or hyperbolic but in all my years of paying attention to politics I have never seen so many people around me scared and uncertain about the future of the Republic.

[LiberalLoner]

32. 100% 👏👏👏

[mr715]

63. We need to win the House

Without Article 2 powers, and with the immunity ruling, impeachment is probably the best course of action. But it is a futile move unless the GOP Senate acts against nature.

It is very sad, but there isn't enough "electricity" in the air seems to me. We may get there, we need to.


MR

[Pris]

66. Exactly

I am always shocked by Americans who abdicate their authority so easily...

[JBTaurus83]

4. Agreed

This should be the demand, regardless of whether it happens.

[Baron2024]

7. Right On

That is a good response. It is time to get up off the mat and fight back.

[dickthegrouch]

8. Where is the Secret Service????

[The Secret Service has] "an integrated mission of protection and investigations to ensure the safety and security of our protectees, key locations, and events of national significance. We also protect the integrity of our currency and investigate crimes against the U.S. financial system committed by criminals around the world and in cyberspace.
"

https://www.secretservice.gov/about/overview

[Baron2024]

11. Very Good Question

They are absent so far. Will they be faithful to their Oaths to defend the Constitution or will they submit to a dictatorship?

[Diraven]

49. They take orders from Trump now

Like all federal law enforcement.

[Rhiagel]

16. Wouldn't the Orange Buffoon just pardon him? n/t

[tritsofme]

17. As has been said many times, the FBI can't prosecute anyone without the DOJ.

[totodeinhere]

108. Yes, and a Trump sycophant is in charge there now. n/t

[Hope22]

20. Grand scale identity theft.

How are they still walking free?

[ancianita]

21. Who do the Democrats of congress call to make the arrests?

[GreenWave]

22. He is terrorizing America from within, States should ban him.

[Karasu]

23. You can't JUST arrest Musk. All of DOGE needs to be disbanded and arrested.

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Otherwise, they'll just replace him with someone else. Likely MTG, now that Ramaswamy is out.

[Baron2024]

56. Agreed

I am not just talking about arresting Musk alone. His DOGE Agents are guilty as well. At least of Obstruction of Government Operations. I am not a lawyer but they are probably guilty of a raft of computer crimes. and they are in violation of the Constitution. The Executive Branch does not have the power to freeze funds that were authorized by the Congress. This is one of the Congress's explicit constitutional powers. These people are domestic enemies of the Constitution. All federal workers, officers, and soldiers take an Oath to defend the Constitution and all enemies foreign and domestic. Musk and his DOGE gang are domestic enemies of the Constitution and they must be seized and arrested.

[Baron2024]

57. Also

MTG would not know how to operate a computer if her life depended upon it.

[ancianita]

37. No, it's not. It's vigilante justice you can't exact. Cruel & unusual punishment is outlawed by the 8th Amendment.

[dickthegrouch]

45. Removal of all our funds would be cruel and unusual punishment, too /nt

[ancianita]

46. You don't get it. That's not how "punishment" is legally defined.

[dickthegrouch]

59. Then it's defined incorrectly!!!

[ancianita]

60. You still don't get it. It's not up to you or any of us.

[dickthegrouch]

61. Ah, now I get it

Guilty

[Cobalt Violet]

25. they were just chanting "lock him up" at the treasury protest.

[global1]

27. If Musk Is Arrested - Tr**p Will Just Pardon Him.......nt

[RainCaster]

29. He can't be pardoned until he's been found guilty of a crime

Send him and his little boyz to Gitmo.

[MLWR]

33. Biden preemptively pardoned all sorts of people

like Liz Cheney etc. who hadn't even been arrested yet.

[Native]

36. That's why Trump & Vance need to be impeached before anyone is arrested.

They should be calling for impeachment, but it won't happen until there are enough pissed off republicans to join with the dems. So.... it's going to have to get a lot worse before anything really happens. IMO.

[ancianita]

38. Republicans are all in on this. So there won't be any "pissed off Republicans" to join Dems.

[DET]

50. They Sure Are

The ones I saw on the news are positively giddy. It’s going to take a whole lot of MAGA outrage to move them - and we don’t have time for that.

[Attilatheblond]

48. The Republicans, with damned few exceptions, are terrified of Musk/Trump and not willing to defend the Constitution

They like their well paid, cushy jobs. All they have to do is say what Trump wants said and vote how Trump tells them. If they manage to stay in office without Trump having them primaried, they are set for life. I don't expect them to help here. They wouldn't do what would have assured he could never run again in TWO past impeachments.

I favor cutting the power to Musk's little fortress and sending in riot police and US Marshals to haul the lot of his geek gang for violating law re private citizens accessing confidential databases. Then we can get serious.

[ancianita]

51. Where is

"Musk's little fortress"? And who would send in "riot police and US Marshals"? You think the police & marshals just do whatever somebody in government demands?

The need to vent doesn't excuse folks here from acting like they don't know how things work in government and law enforcement.

[Meowmee]

91. It will never get to that point imo, they had two times to get rid of the psycho, and didn't !!!

and YES we do know who is behind this 😹😹😹, just stop M and his gang first before they do even more damage.

[Cobalt Violet]

42. He needs to be charged on the state level .

[Evolve Dammit]

28. These are premeditated crimes against the US

[aggiesal]

35. This is going to be Mierda47's cover ...

Musk never took an oath to the Constitution, Mierda47 did.
When the time comes to impeach Mierda47, he's just going to say, "I didn't know what he was doing, so I didn't break my oath."

[Blue Owl]

39. RIGHT. FUCKING. NOW.

[speak easy]

43. Within one hour of Arrest

Trump Pardons Elon.

[SoFlaBro]

92. Not for fucking state level crimes. Orange Bastard can't pardon a fuck thing for state level prosecutions.

[speak easy]

93. Federal Agencies, Federal Properties, Federal Employees,

what sort of of State level law do you think is applicable?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

77. Right on, but NOT.SOON.ENOUGH!!

[valleyrogue]

40. Scott Bessent gave him the keys.

He needs to be impeached and removed.

[dchill]

41. This:

All those who have taken an Oath to defend the Constitution...

Either we is or we isn't s Constitutional democracy.

[Timeflyer]

47. Not to put DUers on the spot, but--is everyone here calling and emailing their US senators and reps every day?

Yeah, they might be bought and paid-for MAGAt appeasers and spineless turds (speaking as a FL resident), but at least it's us doing something.

[electric_blue68]

68. Ive been calling & emailing Schumer my Senator since early last week. Now Gillibrabd, too.

[paulkienitz]

52. what I've been saying is WHERE ARE THE ARREST WARRANTS?

[LymphocyteLover]

100. from WHO??? DOJ is controlled bY MAGA

[AverageOldGuy]

53. I'm hoping

Some pissed off fired FBI agent, who is armed, does what needs to be done.

[Mr. Evil]

79. The dystopian hellscape is here and rolling right along.

I'm afraid your solution just may be what's in order. I'm sure there are some that have the requisite tools and knowledge necessary. Not to mention, they still have a sense of dignity along with ethics, integrity and most importantly, honor. The oath they all take was designed for times just like this (... against all enemies, foreign and domestic...).

[valleyrogue]

82. Somebody on the inside, should it happen. n/t

[oldmanlynn]

54. This will continue until they burn it all down

I am sure congress could stop them but they wont. Republicans are using raw power to get what they want and not sure anything can stop them except people voting them out. You can slow it down with courts but thats about it.

[ihaveaquestion]

55. 50501 Protest tomorrow

50 States, 50 Capitols 1 Day...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219989728

[Jill Hanson]

62. Trump's Justice department

Who the hell is gonna arrest them? Clearly not Trump’s justice department. Laws will not apply to any of “his” people or anyone that can buy him off. The republicans have abdicated their responsibility and will be a major contributor to the fall of our democracy.

[Aussie105]

64. Standards!

The many branches of law enforcement and national security have standards of protecting the country and public to uphold.

Are the FBI, CIA, NSA, police forces (etc) going to dump those standards because Trump says so?

Toss a coin fellas, the Constitution or Trump. You can't serve both.

[dchill]

67. There is no excuse not to arrest Musk.

[dflprincess]

69. Could state Attorneys General have him arrested for violating privacy rights

of their citizens?

Throwing it out there and admit I'm grasping at straws.

[Baron2024]

70. That Is A Good Idea

I had not thought of that. We should maybe contact our State Reps about it, as well as our State AGs. Thanks!

[Justice matters.]

90. Are state's National Guards under the command of their Governor?

If so, Dem Governors could "do" something (just a question).

[JDAcme]

71. Maybe

Merrick Fife still has a bullet in his pocket.

[johnnyfins]

72. I have a few questions

What org, or agency will arrest any of these criminals? They have, for all practical purposes, taken over law enforcement.

Why are we discussing what they can be arrested for if there is NO ONE to arrest them. That ship has sailed.

They are ignoring court orders handed down by District Court Judges. How and by whom will those orders be enforced?

[Baron2024]

74. Good Questions

One possible answer- A Plan For Lawful Resistance--

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219988610

[valleyrogue]

83. They can't implement them. n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

73. Have you called

Your congressperson yet?

[Mikey1cat]

75. Hack Musk

Are there hackers that can hack musk" Shut down his operations? May be unhack what his baby goons have done?

[JBTaurus83]

78. He needs to be arrested

Maybe our gov won’t do it, maybe people don’t want to talk about it, but he needs to be arrested. This country is ending, wake up people!

[MadMike47]

80. You wish

Now how about you wish in one hand and shit in the other, and see which one fills up first.

[Baron2024]

81. That

That is a pretty vile metaphor.

[live love laugh]

84. Why? For inevitable pardons even if it happened? Futile exercise is all it would be.

[ReRe]

85. Amen and Amen! 2 weeks ago!!!!!! n/t

[Baron2024]

86. If Musk Is Not Arrested

If Musk is not arrested immediately he may be arrested eventually. If the Republic survives long enough for us to have a free election, the Democrats may be able to get control of the government back. If we do, Musk will be fully investigated then. What he and his DOGE Agents have done is clearly illegal. Musk may not be going to Mars like he wants. He may be going to jail.

[LymphocyteLover]

101. Sure, but who is going to arrest him?

[Baron2024]

103. Right

Right now, probably no one will arrest him, but I think that we should call for his arrest anyway. He should be arrested but he won't be, but at least we could point that out. It would help in the media war. I believe that if and when we (Dems) gain back control of the House, Musk will be investigated. So it is not an immediate solution. If we regain the House in 2026 we can investigate him. If we regain the White House in 2028 we can prosecute him. So it is a long ways off, but sometimes the wheel of justice turns slowly. But the wheel does turn.

[calimary]

89. At least raise the subject!!!

Even if the deck is stacked against it, we should be spreading that meme EVERYWHERE, and as often as possible!!!

Hell, they can’t arrest us all.

[no_hypocrisy]

94. First Step: A TRO/Emergency Temporary Restraining Order needs to be

enacted THIS MORNING by a Court, one that demands that Musk hand over his codes, everything. And he and his Incels must be locked out of the offices that they trespassed against.

Next Step: The guardians of these agencies/offices must be allowed to return and "take inventory" of the damage done, e.g., what's missing/deleted, use Musk's codes to get into the system.

[2naSalit]

95. Only two options here...

Arrest or...

[Fla Dem]

97. He has also clearly raised suspions of espionage. Gathering classified information to sell to the highest bidder.

Him and his 19-24 year old buddies. Those that are actually gathering the data.

[LymphocyteLover]

99. What kind of security does Musk have? I assume he doesn't have SS protection?

[Jilly_in_VA]

104. Hao about

starting with his "six little henchmen"? Speaking of low-hanging fruit, and now that we know who they are.....

[LetMyPeopleVote]

106. musk is targeting agencies and groups investigating musk's companies

Musk is targeting agencies/groups/inspector generals who have targeted Musk.

Link to tweet

[totodeinhere]

107. Do you actually think that Pam Bondi will sign off on that idea?

Come on. There is no chance in hell that that will happen .