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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRep. Al Green - I rise to announce that I will bring articles of impeachment against the president for dastardly
deeds done.
]Green: I rise to announce that I will bring articles of impeachment against the president for dastardly deeds proposed and dastardly deeds done.
— Acyn (@acyn.bsky.social) 2025-02-05T16:02:30.927Z
It wont work but I love that its being done. It should be done over and over.
Ocelot II
(130,516 posts)There are enough high crimes and misdemeanors to provide daily material for weeks, even months.
flashman13
(2,397 posts)WinstonSmith4740
(3,436 posts)They need to fight fire with fire. The rethugs have tied Congress in knots for years. The Dems need to throw monkey wrench after monkey wrench into the works, and this is a great way to start. Someone (let's hear from Jasmine Crockett first!) needs to introduce impeachment proceedings every freaking day with a list of his crimes and misdemeanors. Make those bastards vote against it daily.
SunSeeker
(58,278 posts)Ocelot II
(130,516 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(156,619 posts)I applaud Representative Al Green!
flashman13
(2,397 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)I would be fearful that doing it "over and over" would make it seem ordinary and commonplace... especially if it fails over and over. Maybe the first time or two it would get a mention in the news... but the 12th, 24th and 36th times... it becomes just a footnote that nobody pays attention to.
dickthegrouch
(4,516 posts)All failed but they kept trying. Why wouldnt we.
KPN
(17,376 posts)mdbl
(8,650 posts)They only recognize bullying.
ihaveaquestion
(4,639 posts)And Republicans may want to join in the effort eventually... after their kids and their constituent's kids are getting killed in Gaza.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)Of course, they are free to do whatever they want. What I'm saying is that it's a waste of time and that more productive and meaningful opposition tactics should be pursued.
ihaveaquestion
(4,639 posts)It would be nice if you could share.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)This one will surely fail and if Democrats were to introduce articles of impeachment daily or multiple times a week, the public and media would become numb and immune to it. The fact that lawmakers know in advance that these things will fail and will be unproductive renders these gestures of defiance as being nothing more than a paper tiger.
I suggest that they focus on things that are more effective in disrupting and blocking the GOP and Trump.
valleyrogue
(2,714 posts)ihaveaquestion
(4,639 posts)I maintain that every action, however small, can be effective and sometimes something will catch on and spur others to action. Being a cynical naysayer doesn't do anyone any good. But you do you, Boo.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)* well, it's a waste of time.
NoRethugFriends
(3,750 posts)Ilikepurple
(672 posts)Sometimes you may need to remind people tigers exist. Paper ones can be useful for that. Winning isnt always the point. Nobody is filing articles daily or multiple times a week. Impeachment is a possibility that should be bubbling under in peoples minds every time a seemingly illegal action by this administration takes place. Somebody has to be brave enough to say it out loud. Also, I dont believe this action was impulsive or defiant. Defiant to who? Trump? The Democratic Party?
LauraInLA
(2,248 posts)allegorical oracle
(6,479 posts)in the majority -- hopefully a solid-as-hell majority. Could explain why Muck&Fuck are burning rubber to tear down the country.
Initech
(108,772 posts)And I mean everyone. We will never take down Trump unless we start arresting his minions, underlings, and enablers first. They're all suspects and in on the destruction of our country as far as I'm concerned. We take out them, then we can go after the big boss, Putin.
GoreWon2000
(1,461 posts)tRump and his anti-democracy thugs need to be put on notice that they won't be able to get away with their attack on American democracy and our government that every previous generation of Americans fought and died for.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)* and they will see the error of their ways. Or something. --- Placebos may make trick the patient into feeling like the pain is subsiding, but the cancer still grows.
Alliepoo
(2,832 posts)In throwing sand in the gears, so to speak. Wont go anywhere but it will let constituents know that Dems are doing something.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)I can't undo what Al Green has already done... I've just voiced my expectations that nothing will come of it. --- In the end, we'll have a lot of folks who get their hopes up, only to have them dashed when they realize that Green's impeachment effort is going nowhere. I can hear the heavy-sighs of disappointment now: they'll be mourning another loss which grows into more dissatisfaction with Democrats, etc etc etc.
happy feet
(1,278 posts)Green filed articles of impeachment early on against Trump during his first term. We ended up impeaching (but not removing) Trump twice.
I, for one, welcome what he's doing---just implanting the seeds at this point.
Shipwack
(3,063 posts)Even though they were out of power, every day they'd submit legislation to repeal the affordable care act.
Did they think they'd succeed?
No.
But it kept their opposition (and names) in the news, and kept their base rallied.
happy feet
(1,278 posts)Whether it works or not---it's planting the seeds which are much more relevant this term. I'm not supportive of not trying something because it might not work?
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)The "do no harm" clause comes to mind.
I appreciate the passion and dedication that underlie the suggestion of filing new articles of impeachment regularly as a means to keep our party's base engaged. However, I respectfully hold a different viewpoint on this strategy.
While the intention to maintain momentum and create the impression of action is understandable, I believe there are potential risks associated with this approach that we should consider.
Repeatedly filing articles of impeachment that ultimately go nowhere, could inadvertently desensitize voters and dilute the impact of such actions. There is a real danger that frequent failed attempts might lead to a sense of fatigue and apathy among the electorate, overshadowing the intended message and objectives.
Moreover, there is a risk that hastily pursuing impeachment without solid legal grounds or careful consideration could portray our party as impulsive and disorganized, potentially alienating voters instead of rallying their support.
Instead of opting for a scattergun approach, I believe we should focus on strategic and well-thought-out actions that have a higher likelihood of resonating with the public and achieving meaningful results. By emphasizing quality over quantity and prioritizing substance and effectiveness, we can better inspire and engage voters in a constructive manner.
obamanut2012
(29,367 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(179,822 posts)in2herbs
(4,388 posts)NBachers
(19,438 posts)no sarcasm thingy necessary
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ihaveaquestion
(4,639 posts)peggysue2
(12,531 posts)Because attention is the coin of the realm at the moment. Even when the action is performative and/or worthless noise if it gets attention it's useful. If we can't do it on the first round, then repeat until Republicans get agitated and the media starts covering it.
Obstruct, delay, agitate, inform.
We have to out-noise the Trump noise machine in order to wake people up to what's going on right under their droopy eyelids.
We need to make more noise, bigger, badder, more irritating noise 24/7.
Call it the Paul Revere Action.
to Al Green.
ReRe
(12,189 posts)because his noise is hiding what Edolph is doing with his grubby greedy fingers in our Treasury!
Joinfortmill
(21,157 posts)malaise
(296,081 posts)Rec
ananda
(35,140 posts)A good guy from Houston.
yellowdogintexas
(23,694 posts)He brought the first articles back in 2017
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AlexSFCA
(6,319 posts)Were he not vilified, he could have run for reelection and win giving us control of the senate. He was one of the most precious dems we had in the senate, a key to control.
Nanjeanne
(6,588 posts)hadEnuf
(3,613 posts)He sided with MAGATs every chance he got.
AlexSFCA
(6,319 posts)and the only dem that could win in WV. It doesnt matter how he votes, control of the senate would give us an opportunity to block every trumps nominee, especially judicial.
hadEnuf
(3,613 posts)but at the time, Manchin was no friend to Biden or the Democratic party.
Republicans vote in lockstep with Trump.... or else.
At least we can have some common unity in our own party. How many times were we left with our pants down around our ankles because of Vichy Dems like Manchin and Sinema?
DJ Synikus Makisimus
(1,438 posts)Skittles
(171,704 posts)and it would appear FETTERMAN has taken his place
AlexSFCA
(6,319 posts)we need to focus on winning and criticizing fellow dems for how they vote. They do what they need to get reelected. By mid-term elections, the country will be unrecognizable. And even if we win the house, there is not much power in it, trump does not care about congress.
Celerity
(54,404 posts)which helped seal our fate in 2024.
Manchin and Sinema also ratfucked us (with help from the wreckers in the Problem Solvers cadre in the House) by eviscerating Biden's 6.1 trillion usd in new spend combined for his two infrastructure bill frameworks all the way down to only 986 billion usd. Vital AF programmes were torn out altogether, and others were chopped to bits. Those programmes, besides massively helping the American people in general, also would have helped our electoral chances in 2024.
So NO.
I do not miss Manchin, and Sinema was replaced with Gallego, thank fuck.
markie
(24,017 posts)Rep Green's office to give him support (although, he is not my rep... figured it couldn't hurt)
MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)Every Damn Day!!!
no_hypocrisy
(54,903 posts)new administration .
valleyrogue
(2,714 posts)Make him get in front of a committee and try to explain just WHY he handed the keys to the Treasury over to Musk and his goons.
totodeinhere
(13,688 posts)niyad
(132,429 posts)Articles of Impeachment every day, for every single thing he does. He knows, of course, tt nothing will come of them, except keeping hope alive.
Joinfortmill
(21,157 posts)niyad
(132,429 posts)corporate overlords. I love him dearly, but suspect he does not play well with others.
Bettie
(19,702 posts)it should be done regularly, as they did....except ours are for things he's actually done/doing, not imaginary things.
Initech
(108,772 posts)Trump is a serial abuser and every abuser has enablers. Trump has - Elon Musk, Sean Hannity, RFK Jr, Pete Hegseth, Marjorie Greene, Lauren Boebert, Andy Bigggs, Ronny Jackson, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, Steven Miller, Laura Ingraham, Jeannie Pirro, the Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society, the list is incredibly long and very exhausting. But all of them need to be brought to justice for their role in this vile administration. We can't bring him down without taking them out first.
blogslug
(39,167 posts)He started calling for impeachment of Trump back in May of 2017, and again in 2019. Eventually, the house impeached that bastard, twice. Al Green was right then and he's right now.
yaesu
(9,327 posts)Dem4life1234
(2,533 posts)I am beyond sick of Rethuglicans. They are a drag to the country.
Skittles
(171,704 posts)let me know when there is actually some accountability
Nanjeanne
(6,588 posts)William Seger
(12,442 posts)That's why I've devoted so much time lately to informing right-wing YouTube commenters about what's been happening on Planet Earth since they've been away.
malthaussen
(18,567 posts)-- Mal
summer_in_TX
(4,168 posts)During Trumps first term fueled great amounts of anger and bitterness by Republicans. Remember that their media actively hid or massaged the facts to distort what he was doing. Plus they poured gasoline on the anger and fostered the sense of grievance.
If he had waited until it was clearer, just maybe hatred many direct at is would be less extreme.
Now, maybe its not too soon this time. But of course bc we dont have control of the House. So its a protest bill.
I dunno. Emotionally satisfying, I guess.
TommieMommy
(2,900 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,484 posts)"Fiendish" has also come to mind when considering the actions of RWers.
However, I suspect these words aren't familiar to most people. They also feel like words from maybe an old superheroes comic book, making them seem they might be considered unserious.
Does anyone here use either of these words seriously or know anyone who does?
Anyone