I have no regrets for being critical of Biden/Harris on Gaza

[HereForTheParty]

It was their worst single issue for me. It was immoral - and hurtful politically if you want to look at it in those terms.

We weren't hurt by the protests and criticisms. We were hurt by not listening to people seeking those changes. Kamala came on the scene as a breath of fresh air. But that needed to include breaking with Joe on Israel. It belied the notion she brought something different.

We lost ground among young people and minorities in this election. Pretty sure Israel was a big issue. I was happy to see the protests, not because they would help Trump. I was hopeful they would be effective in changing her position and give her a greater chance of winning.

[Ocelot II]

1. So how did that work out for you and Gaza?

[Autumn]

10. It worked out about the same for Gaza as it did for the tens of millions of Americans

who stayed home. I notice there is never any complaints about them. No matter who they voted for Gaza was going to be fucked.
The bombs would still be dropping, Palestenians would still be dying beacuse this country supports Israel. No matter what.

[yardwork]

33. Raises hand to complain about and criticize everyone who stayed home.

They are just as much at fault.

[Autumn]

46. Too many people believe what they have been told. Their vote is their voice.

That the voter should vote for the candidate that best represents their values and needs. If neither candidate does, odds are people will not bother to vote. It's the nature of the beast. One candiate will always support Israel and whatever they do, The other candidate will support Israel because he's going to support Israel no matter what they do. American Muslins were in a hard spot.

Two leopards are going to eat your face. Which one do you chose?

[yardwork]

51. I've never believed that my vote is my voice.

I think that whole paradigm is a mistake.

A vote is a citizen's duty. It requires becoming informed and then making the decision that best supports our democracy and the issues that matter to the informed voter. And I mean, informed voter. Not the issues that they think they know because Fox News, hate radio, a podcaster, or a TikTok video said it.

The minute we start thinking that our vote has to meet some moral purity test, we'll never be able to find a candidate pure enough.

Politicians are human, and most of them are narcissistic jerks. I mean that. The people willing to be politicians are not the kindest, brightest, most altruistic people. So we're always choosing among an imperfect lot.

Released from some idea that my vote had to be morally pure, I had no qualms about selecting Kamala Harris as the far, far better choice - on Gaza and everything else.

I don't know where this "my vote is my voice" idea came from. It's a disaster for democracy. Voting wisely requires discipline and hard work.

[Autumn]

57. When my Grandfather became a citizen that's what he was told. He believed that and

never missed an election. He was proud to have a voice in American Democracy.

Which leopard do you chose?

[WheelWalker]

58. I have no regrets for recommending your post. I couldn't agree with you more, comrade.

[yardwork]

62. Thank you. I recommend your post below, too.

In the midst of death, there is life.

[WheelWalker]

56. A monk running from a tiger climbs part way down a cliff.

Below him, at the base of the cliff, is another tiger, looking up at him with hunger. Two mice start chewing the vine. The monk sees a wild strawberry growing nearby; he plucks it and eats it, savoring its sweetness.

[Autumn]

61. You make a choice and do what you gotta do, I bet that was the best

strawberry that monk ever had. Thanks for that.

[C0RI0LANUS]

80. Well said.

21% of American Jews voted for Trumpf and they get a free pass, including 46% in NYC. Personally, I know of one and I suspect another (but I can't prove it).

But the 21% of Arab-Americans that voted for Trumpf are scapegoated mercilessly (Kamala won 20%, Stein 59%). This minority makes up 1.1% of the US population.

Arab-bashing and Islamophobia are just easier because that deflects away from Bibi and the Likud version of a two-state solution, all funded by the hardworking American taxpayer.

Adjusting for inflation, US aid to Israel from 1951 to 2022 totaled $317.9 billion, making it the largest recipient of American foreign aid since World War II.

Those billions could have paid for a lot of healthcare right here in the "Good Ole U.S. of A."




Sources:

https://www.jewishpress.com/news/elections-news/ny-jews-voted-trump-not-so-much-in-the-rest-of-the-country/2024/11/07/

https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-military-aid-does-the-us-give-to-israel/

[karynnj]

82. While to some degree I agree, I think there have been Democrats who pushed back

The most prominent was Jimmy Carter, who was among the earliest people to use the word apartheid in regards to Israel. There also was President Obama who allowed the US to abstain rather than veto a resolution on Israel and allowed John Kerry to make a very strong speech at the UN. They also angered Netanyahu by negotiating with Iran without telling him .... knowing he would derail it.

Even Joe Biden directed Blinken and others to work for ceasefire. About the only things he didn't do was the much earlier stop large bombs and to at least not veto UN resolution after using our diplomatic power to insure they were balanced and in accord with US policy - as Obama did in 2016. I suspect that heade the decisions not to do this thinking that might give him more leverage with Israel's far right government. In reality because Israel had moved so far to the right and we were facing an election where Netanyahu preferred the other side, we should have done both of these just because they were the right thing to do.

[NoRethugFriends]

108. Ridiculous. Actions (or nonactions) have consequences.

[Arazi]

65. Except Biden/Harris were explicitly negotiating for a ceasefire

And were adamant in supporting a 2-state solution. Traitor was/is always going to ethnically cleanse and take it for Kushners resorts.

Now Traitor’s gone even further and appears to be committing US troops to facilitating that goal.

The “both-sides-were-the-same” doesn’t hold water. At all

[Autumn]

67. Netanyahu would never have gone for it with Biden. He wanted the freedom

Trump would give him.

[Arazi]

71. Even more reason for the Hamasniks to vote for Biden

Everyone knew Netanyahu was supporting Traitor.

Everyone.

He was getting squeezed by the hostage families and global outrage. We’ll never know how long he could have withstood that. Congressional funding/aid assistance for Israel comes up this year. That’s [/i when the pro-Pal supporters needed to get loud. Until then , Biden’s hands were tied by prior funding agreements that Congress made (unless you’re advocating Joe or Kamala do what Traitor is doing and violate the impoundment act).

So short sighted - many many more Palestinian (and American) lives are going to be crushed now

[karynnj]

81. I think had we won the election, things would have improved

With Democrats retaining power, Netanyahu could not hold out until the Trump team was entering.

From many accounts many in the State Department wanted the US to take a stronger position against Israel. I suspect that to do so before the election would likely have been a political loser although I think it would be very rare for people to vote on just that one issue.

[spooky3]

101. Hey, if you check my posts, you'll see I've raised the issue of non voters

Multiple times.

[Eko]

102. I find it interesting

When I ask people what would have happened if we had let the Palestinian Dem reps speak at the DNC and then they tell me that would have been bad because ultimately it would have depressed the Israeli Democratic vote. As if the Palestinians should just have sucked it up but not the Israelis. I also dont see how we can be so against dump but not against bibi another fascist leader. No wonder we have lost our way.

[mzmolly]

114. They asked to speak under the "uncommitted" umbrella.

F that. 'Committed' Democrats were allowed to speak. They could have made a difference for Palestine and the US, had they chosen to do so.

[Eko]

117. Some info.

Uncommitted leaders have said over the course of the week and before that they are supporting Harris, are delegates now for the vice president and have attempted to rebrand themselves as “ceasefire delegates.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/22/politics/uncommitted-speaking-slot-democratic-convention/index.html

[mzmolly]

119. They still deemed themselves 'uncommitted' and encouraged

that BS.

[Eko]

120. Did you not read what I posted?

Uncommitted leaders have said over the course of the week and before that they are supporting Harris, are delegates now for the vice president and have attempted to rebrand themselves as “ceasefire delegates.”

[mzmolly]

121. Did you read what you posted?

‘Uncommitted’ leaders’ sit-in enters second day after Democrats deny their request for speaking slot at convention

... The message overnight from convention officials, Uncommitted spokesman Waleed Shahid said, has been, “​This is the vice president’s biggest night, and we can’t have it be about this.”

...“They haven’t pledged their support to Vice President Harris, so to demand a seat or a speaking slot is a little bit rich,” Rice told CNN’s Jake Tapper, adding that Harris and Biden are “deeply committed” to ending the conflict.

[Eko]

123. Here.

There has also been increased pushback against the idea from some Harris allies, including former United States Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, who questioned why Harris would offer airtime to the group.

“They haven’t pledged their support to Vice President Harris, so to demand a seat or a speaking slot is a little bit rich,” Rice told CNN’s Jake Tapper, adding that Harris and Biden are “deeply committed” to ending the conflict.

Uncommitted leaders have said over the course of the week and before that they are supporting Harris, are delegates now for the vice president and have attempted to rebrand themselves as “ceasefire delegates.”

Its possible that Rice did not know they had changed their position. Here is the leaders position just a day before the linked article.

“I know that the choice in November is a binary choice, and if I’m in the ballot box and it’s a choice between Trump and Harris, of course I’ll vote for Harris,” he says.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/power/2024/08/21/abbas-alawieh-delegate-gaza-dnc/

[mzmolly]

126. "'Uncommitted' leaders stand by 2024 strategy after Trump floats Gaza takeover"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/uncommitted-leaders-stand-2024-strategy-trump-floats-gaza-takeover-rcna190782

They can speak at a Green Party convention.

[Eko]

128. Yes I saw that.

Were they the ones who were going to speak at the convention? Who became Harris delegates? No.

[mzmolly]

129. It's the same

group.

[Eko]

131. Its some in the group.

And not the ones that were going to speak that had committed to Harris. They became Delegates for Harris! Jeeze.

[mzmolly]

132. No one associated with 'uncommitted' should have been allowed

to speak at our convention. NOT ONE.

[Eko]

134. Even one who said she was going to vote for Harris and was the one who wanted to speak at the DNC?

Why?

[mzmolly]

136. Because she associated herself with a group that was

opposed to Harris.

[Eko]

139. But we can let Liz Cheney speak.

[mzmolly]

140. Yes. She was committed to fighting Trump

& voting for the Democratic candidate. She was run out of Congress for defending our democracy. She earned her right to speak.

[Eko]

133. Here is the actual speaker.

For Ruwa Romman, voting for Harris is part of the long game
https://19thnews.org/2024/10/ruwa-romman-georgia-gaza-election/
And her speech.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/08/dnc-speech-uncommitted-movement-harris-walz-ruwan-romman/

[mzmolly]

135. Too bad she associated herself with 'uncommitted' if she wanted to speak at

the DNC. Further, she wasn't the only person from the "uncommitted" group who wanted to speak.

[Eko]

138. Nothing more needs to be said.

[Happy Hoosier]

142. Never any complaints about them?

With respect, nonsense. There has been plenty of criticism for non-voters.

The shit-stirrers just can’t take responsibility for their own bullshit.

[yardwork]

32. Yep. A poster who joined last fall right before the election.

I guess the money is still flowing.

[Eko]

100. How did it work out for you?

Everything good?

[blue cat]

2. I'll never forgive n/t

[DenaliDemocrat]

3. Yes - Tearing down our candidate when facing

An outright fascist is a brilliant strategy.

It looks like it worked smashingly too.

(Sarcasm)

[maxsolomon]

4. I'm glad you don't have regrets. Good for you.

Do you know the phrase "stuck between a rock and a hard place"?

[Ninga]

24. In my long life and experience I have found people want to be influenced because they do not

know how to make a decision. If the OP, or any other super strong advocate for Gaza, ever spoke disparaging words during the presidential campaign that even came close to blaming Biden/Harris then that was the fork. The Jill Stein fork, the not vote for the top of the ticket fork.
Or maybe horrors of all horrors the DJT vote.
Words matter.

[bottomofthehill]

26. Or the phrase fuck around and find out.

Well, this is the find out. Maybe there really is a lesser of 2 evils. And maybe she should have got a lot more consideration. To those who voted green in protest, I hope you realize the ramifications of your actions, for those who whined about the purity test, same for those who stayed home, shame…… but now that you have seen what is happening and to have no regrets, you you really should have regrets, if you don’t, than shame.

[womanofthehills]

105. Younger people are more anti war than older

The young saw a genocide in real life on their phones and decided to stay home. Nineteen million who voted for Biden in 2020, chose not to vote in 2024.

The kids were marching in the streets every weekend all around the whole world and were being arrested instead of being acknowledged. We grew up not seeing war first hand. They see it live every day.

[mzmolly]

122. I disagree. I don't know anyone who voted Dem

who supported killing innocent people in Gaza.

I've lived through several wars and protested war as well. Seeing war footage, is not unique to young folks.

[obamanut2012]

5. Well, that worked just great for you, eh?

Gaza is gonna be glassed of Palestinians and then made into Trump-a-lago.

[SamuelTheThird]

6. This is desperately naive

[Ninga]

7. trump clearly showed all of us who he is, he doesn't care about you, the people of Gaza, nada

nothing, zip zilch.

For a long long time trump spewed his destructive rhetoric his lies his evilness. He didn’t care.
The election was a clear choice. And sound judgement was the North Star when casting your vote.
Today is not a good day for such regrets.

[unblock]

8. Call me a single-issue voter, but I figured 100% support for the non-dictator candidate was the only thing that mattered

[newdeal2]

9. If you care about only a single issue

An issue which is a bit murky to put it lightly….people also have to see the bigger picture. All issues are connected and Trump was the biggest threat to both the US and all of the world (Ukraine, Palestine, Greenland, Taiwan, Canada, Mexico, etc).

Now we are all going down on the Titanic.

[ShadesOfBlue]

11. It's funny how....

the people who are literally gloating over the FOAF outcome of the post election don’t realize that they themselves possibly led to this outcome in the pre-election by their dismissive attitudes towards young voters on the issue. They just brushed them off as poorly informed college students manipulated by Russia.

I am old enough to recall all this board’s tolerated condemnations of “elitist” views of DMBers that allegedly alienated red state voters instead of convincing them to join our side. However no one were trying to appeal to the Genocide Joe crowd by putting in the effort to convince them in a respectful way of voting for the Democrat ticket. Instead we seemed to just talk down to those who held those negative views of Biden and Harris.

[Fullduplexxx]

20. Well i guess they sure showed us

[Walleye]

22. What was the point, they wouldn't listen. They were so sure they were right.

Plus, I don’t know about gloating, clinical depression I think is a better description of what we’re going through

[Walleye]

25. The genocide Joe business was just plain insulting, dishonest, and Maga like

[stopdiggin]

37. that is probably because 'the issue' WAS seen as largely naivety

And further - was almost certain to be a loser with the voter. There is almost zero evidence that a move toward the left (on this issue or any other) would have allowed Harris a better outcome. And plenty to indicate the reverse.

In short - it didn't happen at ALL like you think it did.

[muriel_volestrangler]

94. Bollocks. Every time anyone here suggested not voting for Democrats because of Gaza, the arguments against that were put

"Respectful"? Well, it was such a brain-damaged idea that it was hard to be "respectful" of it before pointing out why it was wrong. But plenty of people did it without swearing or insulting the DUer. Was that "respectful" enough for you?

And current events are indeed showing the brain-damaged nature of those ideas.

[Fullduplexxx]

12. Jeezuz ... protesting the war over gaza from the safety of your living room

Well thanks for trump ... I'm sure he'll serve you well

[SoFlaBro]

13. This is disastrously naive, short-sighted and 100% worked against Democrats.

[mackdaddy]

115. And worked 100% against the Palestinian people of Gaza.

With Trump's promised ethnic Cleansing, maybe 200%.

[Walleye]

14. Genocide Joe? When are we going to see protest and chants of genocide Donald?

Is it so much easier to criticize our friends than our enemies? And make no mistake the Republican party an U.S. enemy now.

[LisaM]

89. That was so unfair.

No one wanted that ceasefire more than Biden.

[Walleye]

93. I really would like to hear some of those people say that very thing. I guess it was just too easy to lie about Joe Bide

[DeepWinter]

15. The problem with Gaza

Is the history of Gaza and the Palestinians is complex. It's an absolute mess of centuries of history, bad choices by the Palistinians, bad choices by every actor in the Middle east, bad choices by Europe, the US, and not a lot of good choices by anyone. If you just want to distill it down to it's wrong, Israel bad, you're just going to be disappointed with everything. But people love to finger point and chant sound bites. So here we are.

[stopdiggin]

16. YOU may not have regrets ...

But the country you profess to support (that would be the U.S.?) - lies bleeding and in parts ...

Your moral high ground looks exponentially more silly and short sighted from this current vantage - than what everyone tried to tell you at the time.

So, you're lack of regret is countered by the millions ...

[thebigidea]

17. Well, just as long as you were happy, that's the only thing that truly matters.

[sarisataka]

18. Those who helped elect Trump have no regrets either

Link to tweet

They got their victory much like King Pyrrhus.

[malaise]

19. Ditto

Rec

[BannonsLiver]

23. How very myopic.

But hey, enjoy the show.

[Stuckinthebush]

38. About to post the same

Myopic at best!

[Keepthesoulalive]

27. Oh please

You condemned the people of Gaza and the entire world because of your single issue mindset.
I don’t give a damn whether you apologize or not, you have made yourself irrelevant.

[taxi]

28. Sometimes having no regrets is the only difference between inmates and parolees.

[BannonsLiver]

68. Foolish people often have no regrets.

I believe that applies in this case.

[Fullduplexxx]

29. Trump announces withdrawal from UN human rights body and halt to funding for Palestinian refugees

Trump announces withdrawal from UN human rights body and halt to funding for Palestinian refugees
https://apnews.com/article/trump-un-human-rights-palestinian-refugees-israel-05e1d57bbb41df38771d1ab69adb21a3

Trump announces withdrawal from UN human rights body and halt to funding for Palestinian refugees
By EDITH M. LEDERER
Updated 6:34 PM CST, February 4, 2025

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — President Donald Trump announced Tuesday that the United States will withdraw from the top U.N. human rights body and will not resume funding for the U.N. agency helping Palestinian refugees.

[Stuckinthebush]

39. But...but.....Genocide Joe!

And all that.

[yardwork]

30. Congratulations. You helped Trump win.

[genxlib]

31. You are making one major assumption

You are assuming that holding onto the votes of the Gaza sympathizers would have been a net gain.

What is missing is the drain of Israel supporters that would have taken place. We don't know for sure but I suspect that a pro-Gaza position would have lost more than it gained. Indeed, there was even stress here about being pro-Israel enough.

In my opinion the net voting totals would have been worse if Biden/Harris was seen to against Israel

It was a classic no-win situation. Damned if we did, damned if we didn't.

And make no mistake that Bibi was at the center of it making sure that it remained an issue for us all along.

[JohnSJ]

69. Without a doubt, especially after October 7. A similar approach was

taken in 2016 against Hillary with different issues.

Just plain stupidity. 2000, 2016, and 2024.

SC is lost for decades because of stupid

[mzmolly]

118. Bibi and Trump

kept that war going, with the knowledge it would harm Biden/Harris.

[yaesu]

34. Where are all the protests now? Crickets. Imma just going to put them in the who helped the fascists file. nt

[Fullduplexxx]

35. And another thank you for this

Authoritarians Around the World Celebrate Destroying USAID
Malcolm Ferguson
February 5, 2025/11:54 a.m. ET

Authoritarian leaders around the world are applauding Donald Trump and Elon Musk’s destruction of USAID.

“In just 14 days, Donald Trump has turned the world upside down with just a few measures. In America, gender madness is over, funding for globalist Soros organizations is over, illegal migration is over, and support for the Russian-Ukrainian war is over. In other words, everything that the bureaucrats in Brussels have tried to force down our throats in recent years is over,” Hungary’s hard-line President Viktor Orbán wrote on Facebook.

[Mosby]

36. What's immoral is inverting reality to make Palestinians the victims

Israelis are, were and continue to be victims of Islamic terrorism. They have every right to live in peace in their ancestral homelands. The Imperialist Arabs have an opposite view, which surprisingly has been adopted by so called liberals and progressives. Go figure.

[malaise]

41. Genocide is immoral

as are denying people food and healthcare
That is all

[Arazi]

116. Traitor just stopped all US humanitarian aid to Palestinians

I believe we were the largest contributor. Hope the Hamasniks are stepping up to fill the gap since this is on them.

[RandomNumbers]

130. True but so is hostage taking, rape, and torture. nt

[Ocelot II]

66. I hope you don't think Trump's plan to take over Gaza and remove the people is a good one.

[JustAnotherGen]

40. "We lost ground among young people and minorities in this election."

One - they've lost their country for a generation.

Two - WHICH minorities? Because 92% of black women voted for Harris. 78% of Black men did.

[OneGrassRoot]

42. I'm sure the residents of Gaza are especially grateful right now.

But kudos to you for being honest and speaking up.

All of your points are valid, but if we were keeping the residents of Gaza in mind in this political choice, it was clear to most of us that Trump would be MUCH, MUCH WORSE, and he is. Please don't respond with "how can it get any worse than genocide?"

We're all going to see it very soon.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

43. Bibi gambled on TFG winning and this gamble is paying off

Bibi and trump are now free to destroy Gaza

Link to tweet

With trump back in power, Bibi will be free to do what he wants in Gaza

Link to tweet

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/podcasts/2024-11-06/ty-article-podcast/netanyahu-gambled-on-a-trump-presidency-will-it-pay-off/00000193-01b9-dc77-adb3-9bbbf9ee0000

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's "gamble" on extending the war in Gaza in anticipation of Donald Trump winning the U.S. election seems to have paid off, according to Haaretz senior military analyst Amos Harel.

In conversation with Haaretz Podcast host Allison Kaplan Sommer, Harel said that Netanyahu "kept promising total victory, what he actually had was sort of a Forever War. It was not forever, but he was waiting for November, and for January 20 and for his friend Trump to be back in the White House."

What is the Israeli premier hoping to get out of his bet? Harel believes that in renewing the Bibi-Trump bromance, Netanyahu believes he can win U.S. support for measures that will stop his criminal trial - Trump after all, will certainly sympathize - and move ahead with the judicial coup that will damage Israeli democracy.

In the security and military arena, the Israeli leader aspires to achieve "more aggressive goals in the region, whether it's striking Iran or persuading the Americans to strike Iran, or pushing forward against the Palestinians and against Hezbollah and Lebanon."

[sarisataka]

48. "Trump won because of us"

And when told that Trump would be worse the response was "we survive four years under him, we can do four more"

They made their choice, now they need to shut up and live with it. The Palestinians of Gaza did not have any choice and they have to live with it because they were simply treated like expendable pawns- again.

[Quiet Em]

44. I appreciated Kamala Harris' take on it.

I felt she was exactly on point.

Being critical is one thing. Refusing to vote is another.

The con artist wants to turn Gaza into a vacationland for billionaires. The harm being done to the Palestinians might be irreparable. Gaza is their home. The con is conquering and taking over their home.

[Johnny2X2X]

45. What did people think Biden and Harris had the power to do?

They worked tirelessly for a cease fire, no one did more than Biden and his team did to end this war.

On weapons, Congress controls that, Biden couldn't legally withhold weapons any more than Trump could do so legally with Ukraine.

[Ol Janx Spirit]

47. Give it a little more time. Regret will probably seem a quaint notion. NT

[Happy Hoosier]

143. I think these useful idiots...

… would rather throw Gazans under the Trump bus than admit rhey made a mistake. Admitting mistakes is just not something a lot of Americans do anymore.

[moondust]

50. Let the perfect be the enemy of the very good...

and you may wind up in Hell.

Welcome to Hell.

[WheelWalker]

52. That's regrettable. I cannot recommend your post. That I do not regret.

[sheshe2]

53. Welp.

We lost ground among young people and minorities in this election.

I sure hope those minorities are happy now, because unless you are WHITE, STRAIGHT and MALE he is coming for you all. He doesn't give a RA about any of you. He is coming for your moms, your dads, your children and your future.

[Coventina]

109. Don't forget "Christian"

And by "Christian" I mean the RIGHT KIND of Christian.

[sheshe2]

110. Ah!

I forgot that one.

[Ping Tung]

54. No cause justifies the deaths of innocent people. Albert Camus

Like LBJ felt compelled to prove his anti-communism by "supporting" the South Vietnamese dictators which led to arming and reinforcing them, Biden and Harris were compelled to support the slaughter in Gaza.

It was not about ethics or morality, it was politics as usual.

[EdmondDantes_]

55. Nor should you if you still believe that Biden and Harris should have moved their position

Most of the people arguing against this are basically claiming that Biden and Harris shouldn't be criticized which isn't really a valid position. Pointing to Trump being worse isn't a particularly good argument given how the spectrum of positions isn't just Biden or Trump with unmovable positions. Biden moved on multiple positions over his time in public service, generally growing more progressive. That can happen because of personal growth, but it can also come from people making the case that the original position was wrong.

Mindless repetition that Trump is worse doesn't mean you shouldn't argue and work for positions you think could be improved in people you support. If anything, you should have higher standards for them because you are aligned with them. I'm not going to a klan rally to tell them they shouldn't try to kill black people, but if I see my friend lock the car door because a black person is walking by, I'm going to say something because I expect better of my friend.

[haele]

91. Not a good analogy - Saying "dude, locking your car now looks really racist"

Loudly proclaiming "you're a racist" because your friend locked their car, and before they have a chance to respond, figuratively breaking the window and jumping out of said car, then striding off to the known creep with candy down the street to continue your ride because you're angry at your friends's apparent racism - that is closer to the analogy for what happened you're looking at.

Seriously, if you're that mad because your friend with a history of actions that upset you on occasion did so in your presence again, why were you in their car in the first place? Did you even ask why they were doing these actions, have you suggested a compromise to their other obligations and reasons that action might be bad?
Why would you ever call them your friend if they can't live up to your expectations for what friendship entails?

It's fine to criticize loudly and strongly. Lord knows we criticize.
But burning it down because you didn't get what you wanted and then proclaiming "I told you so, it's all your fault" when the blizzard comes in and covers everyone including yourself is something else.
The protesters knew what the GOP was. As I said, it's okay to protest. It's okay to work for change from the inside.

But just handing the keys to you and your family's support structure, no matter how meager, to a known liar, cheater, racist, and criminal because the current manager, who has to maintain other community member's support structure is not doing what you want exactly the way you want it?
Not to make it light, but Dead is Dead. You want someone trying to mitigate the deaths, or you want a liar you know doesn't care or has previously called your group terrorists. There's a rather significant disconnect issue that needs to be recognized and addressed.

There are consequences on all sides of a situation like this.

Biden and Harris weren't as effective as they could have been, given extenuating circumstances, blind spots, external actors being straight up selfish, corrupt bastards, and political constraints. And innocent people died. Very valid criticisms. But the responsibility for those deaths wasn't just one factor, and there was significantly more blame to be spread around. Hardliners on all sides of the long standing Israel/Hamas conflicts had much more responsibility than Biden did.

I didn't see those protesters focusing on punishing anyone but Biden for the deaths. Makes me wonder who was pushing the protests.

[muriel_volestrangler]

95. Pointing out that Trump is worse is not "mindless"

It's clear thinking. "Pointing to Trump being worse" is the most basic, and truest, argument there is for arguing for a Democratic vote. Don't abandon it to try and make yourself look sophisticated.

[ismnotwasm]

59. 'No regrets'. Interesting.

[mvd]

60. It was ok being critical, but at least..

you voted for her and were not a single issue voter. People who didn’t vote or voted Trump or third party over the issue helped lead to this disaster of Trump.

[Hope22]

64. Either way we all pay the price for this.

Enjoy the mov-ie……..

[Progressive dog]

70. I'm sorry ypu think it worked out well for you.

[wryter2000]

72. How did you vote?

That's the big issue.

Anyone who didn't vote for Kampala was setting the table for the atrocity we have now.

[HereForTheParty]

78. Harris nm

[BlueKota]

73. No one office holder is ever going to do

what we individually believe is a 100 percent right all the time. You just have to decide which of your choices you think will be going to make more decisions that align with your values than not.

Did anyone who sat this election out or voted for tsf to send Democrats a message truly consider the ramifications? You may believe Palestine would still not have been helped if Biden and Harris had won, but how did putting the most powerful nation on earth under the control of two insane individuals help do anything other than put the future of millions more people of every nation at risk? If you think that's hyperbole you don't understand the dangers of giving narcissists unchecked power.

The only clear headed decision is to elect those who will do the least harm to the fewest people and keep those who will do the most harm to the most people as far away from power as possible. No human is morally pure. It's like the philosophers told us. There is good and bad in all things. I always try to pick the ones who do more to nuture their good side, not the ones who get glee out of doing bad.

[BannonsLiver]

74. No regrets? LMAO

Oh you’re going to have plenty of regret about many things in the years to come. Believe that.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

75. trump warned us with he intended to do with Gaza

Donald Trump has a message for voters who disapprove of President Joe Biden’s Israel/Gaza policy from the left: The Republican intends to be vastly worse.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-hardline-position-us-policy-gaza-matters-rcna150391

In theory, Donald Trump might recognize the electoral opportunity and try to appeal to those who disapprove on the incumbent president’s Israel/Gaza policy from the left. In practice, the former president has an unsubtle message for Biden’s critics: If given the chance, the Republican intends to be vastly worse.

The Biden White House, for example, acknowledged this week that it is, as the Associated Press reported, “weighing measures to help Palestinians living in the United States who want to bring family from the war-torn region.”

Soon after, as Reuters reported, the presumptive GOP nominee shared his thoughts on the subject at a campaign rally.

“Your towns and villages will now be accepting people from Gaza and various other places,” Trump said, eliciting boos from the crowd. “Under no circumstances shall we bring thousands of refugees.” Last week, Trump described the pro-Palestinian protests as driven by “tremendous hate” while asserting that the violence at a 2017 white nationalist rally with some Trump supporters in Charlottesville, Virginia, when he was president was small by comparison.

Note, at one of his campaign events yesterday, Trump appeared to goad his followers in Wisconsin into booing Palestinian refugees.

Link to tweet

At the same event, the former president also vowed to restore and expand the Muslim ban he imposed during his first term......

The former president also endorsed ongoing Israeli military operations, saying, “We have to let Israel complete their war on terror. It’s a horrible thing, but they have to do it.” Trump added that Israel must “clean out the cancer.”

Let’s also not forget a New York Times report from March that said top members of Trump’s team want to expel Palestinians from Gaza.

It’s as if the Republican is going out of his way to alienate voters who, given their frustrations with Biden’s policy, might be inclined to give Trump a second look.

TFG will bring back the Muslim ban, give Bibi free reign to bomb and destroy Gaza and expel Palestinians from Gaza so that Jared can build his resorts.

[Basso8vb]

77. If I say what's truly on my mind, my post will be hidden.

FAFO.

[AStern]

79. I don't regret thinking that it was a LIHOP situation to keep Netanyahu out of jail

Easy to pull off. Ignore intelligence. Allow a slaughter of your opposition. Accuse critics of anti-semitism/pro-terrorist. Pave Palestine into a parking lot. Prime real estate for the wealthy.

I have no regrets thinking any of that.

[Bettie]

83. So, can we assume you are happy with

the outcome of the election with regard to Gaza? Do you feel that Trump removing all Gazans one way or another is the best outcome?

DO you feel that our country is better off with a mad dictator and an unhinged billionaire than a president who isn't "perfect" on one issue?

I had conversations with my sons about this. Ultimately, they realized that perfect isn't going to be found in someone running for office, so they chose decency and humanity and voted for Harris.

[Raven123]

86. What party are you here for?

That’s a lot of unloading. In an election year, those types of protests don’t work out. They may even have exacerbated the issue, as many were infiltrated by outside agitators who loved to see the Dems take it on the chin, while Netanyahu huddled with Trump in Mar a Lago plotting.

[muriel_volestrangler]

87. When you were critical, did you always point out that Trump would be far, far worse for the Palestinians?

I mean, I know it was blindingly obvious, but there are low information voters who might not have realised it.

So if you once criticized either of them on Gaza without saying "but you must still vote for them, because Trump is a bigoted rapist who would do the same to Gaza" or the equivalent, then you should have major regrets.

[NoMoreRepugs]

88. You have ZERO regrets TODAY about your Gaza stance THEN knowing what you should KNOW TODAY

about what the SlobFather has said that he wants to see happen in Gaza - SERIOUSLY?

[idahoblue]

90. How is that working out?

Democrats continually shoot themselves in the face because they are butt hurt over some one thing, so they allow a racist piece of fascist shit to take control, a freak who they know will be so much worse.
You knew DonOld hates everyone in Gaza, you knew Jared has his eye on Gaza for luxury beach front resorts. But because President Biden could not stop instantly Israel’s genocide you decided to elect the master of genocide? How fucking stupid are you? DonOld is now making public his plan to remove every person from Gaza by death or relocation, in the style of Andrew Jackson and our own native Americans.
So fuck you.

[standingtall]

92. Well if telling yourself that makes you feel better okay

must be the same reason you can still find people who claim both sides are the same. Guess it's easier for people to come up with a rational to make themselves feel better then to admit they made a mistake.

[mr715]

96. You have every right to own your criticism

But from where we are now, knowing what we know now, you should regret the outcome.


You should grieve for the Palestinian people, because they are going to lose their homes, livelihoods, and families. There will be no state of Palestine.



Just as you have a right to be critical, you should also bear the burden of knowing through the lens of reality, it is going to get much, much, much, much worse.

It did not need to be this way.

[DavidDvorkin]

97. Utter nonsense.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

98. Trump-backing Muslim voters finally realize they 'made a big mistake': expert

Muslim voters should have never voted for TFG. TFG was always going to side with Bibi and never gave a darn about Gaza or Muslims. Now these voters are realizing their mistake

Trump-backing Muslim voters finally realize they 'made a big mistake': expert: James Zogby, the president of the Arab American Institute, told CNN's Brianna Keilar on Wednesday that many Muslim voters are regretting the decisions they made in the 2024 presidential election.

As Keilar noted while…

— #TuckFrump (@realtuckfrumper.bsky.social) 2025-02-05T20:08:05Z

Trump-backing Muslim voters finally realize they 'made a big mistake': expert: James Zogby, the president of the Arab American Institute, told CNN's Brianna Keilar on Wednesday that many Muslim voters are regretting the decisions they made in the 2024 presidential election.

Link to tweet

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-muslim-voters/

James Zogby, the president of the Arab American Institute, told CNN's Brianna Keilar on Wednesday that many Muslim voters are regretting the decisions they made in the 2024 presidential election.

As Keilar noted while interviewing Zogby, Trump received a major boost from Muslim voters in 2024 due to anger against the Biden administration for its role in helping the Israeli government's war in Gaza that has killed more than 50,000 Palestinians and that Zogby described to CNN as a "genocide.".....

When asked by Keilar if he'd spoken with any of these voters since the election, he replied that he had and they were firmly against Trump's recently stated desire to ethnically cleanse Gaza by removing all Palestinians from their land.

"Many of [the voters] stayed home, and some of them voted for Donald Trump," he said. "But they are now feeling very clearly that they made a big mistake. And, you know, sort of like the kid who gets in trouble and his parents send him to his room and he goes out there and starts throwing stuff around... in a pique of anger. All he's got is a mess and that's what we've got here.

"People didn't vote for Kamala Harris. They voted for Donald Trump. They had their tantrum. And now look what we got. We got a crazy man in the White House who's doing and projecting things that are really, really problematic."

[W_HAMILTON]

99. My guess is some have no regrets because they, like most everyone else swept up in the social media aspect...

...of the conflict, will soon completely forget about Gaza and move onto the next "viral cause" that gets them the tiniest bit of internet clout.

Gaza will be forgotten about -- already seems like it has been, given the persistence of the protests and outcries before the Election vs now -- and a little bit after that, it won't even exist, thanks to Trump and Netanyahu's plans for it.

And Palestinians will no longer exist -- they will be forever refugees.

If knowing one's actions played a part in that doesn't cause that person any regret, odds are they didn't really care about Gaza and its people to begin with.

[hatrack]

103. So, drop a big stinky deuce and then run away - productive!!!

WTI

[Bread and Circuses]

104. Where are the student protests or any protests?

You were played.

The campuses ans streets were filled with nonstop protesters against
Biden/Harris

None Now?!?

Could it be that there were paid agitators to help elect the Felon?

YES

I hate that our money is being sent to Netanyahu- a war criminal. All money must stop, He hates his own people, he just wants to avoid prison.

So, you are responsible for this Coup.

[33taw]

106. Why did you join DU?

[Straw Man]

107. To be absolutely clear ...

... not voting for the lesser evil enables the greater evil. If you choose not to act against the greater evil, you are culpable when it prevails.

[Red Mountain]

111. Not responsible, always right

I'm talking about Trump, of course.

[Hitorque]

112. AND WHERE ARE THE PROTESTS NOW?

It's odd how many people only seemed to care about Gaza during the 2024 election season...

Where are the marches? The college students trashing their campus? The people camping on Pelosi's doorstep? The people disrupting Dem events and speeches? The people setting themselves on fire? The people barricading bridges during rush hour?? Where are the "Genocide Don" chants? Where are the people swearing they'll never vote Republican again? Where is Jill Stein? Where is the horseshoe left? Where are all those Arab-American political groups demanding an audience with the Donnie like they did with Biden, only to walk out?

Admit it -- Gaza was intentionally weaponized against us as an issue and way too many useful idiots who couldn't find Gaza on a map before October 14, 2023 fell for it...

[mzmolly]

113. Those who didn't see the glaring differences between leveling Gaza

and calling for a cease fire, were not helping Harris win - obviously. You all fell prey to a Trumpian psyop, which might explain the lack of protests in the current climate. Time would have been better spent pointing that out, rather than yelling free palestine.

[Prairie Gates]

124. In the nine days you were here before the election, or in general?

[NickB79]

125. You should immortalize it with a tattoo

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[emulatorloo]

127. That's not what polling said though. Israel/Palestine wax not a big issue for young voters.

I have regrets that Trump wants the US to occupy Gaza. Too many people lying about Biden and Harris deep goal of a Palestian state.

[IzzaNuDay]

137. Your one single is irrelevant for me.

I have never known a time in my life when Israel/Palestine/ME conflicts didn’t exist. But that was not a major issue for me. My concerns for selecting a POTUS were primarily the economy, health and welfare of the US.

I saw the felon as an existential threat to the US. My memory of the Moslem travel ban, the lackluster response to COVID, and of course January 6 were situations I don’t want to see repeated. Those were definitely immoral. Did you remember any of those situations as you voted?

So now, 2 weeks and a few days later, we have the felon running amok on levying tariffs on our neighbors Canada and Mexico, avian influenza that we have limited clues on its contagion and morbidity to humans, some unelected ding dong from South Africa who has access to our most sensitive financial systems, and the January 6 violators were pardoned. And, it was apparent the felon and Netanyahu were talking before January 20! And now the felon is trying to wipe out any DEI initiatives, and squashing the LGTBQ community. You like this so far?

You may not have regrets today, because you feel exempt from the outcomes. You get the government you voted for. But unfortunately, this was not the government I and others voted for…we all suffer.

[Texasgal]

141. Okay... SO?

What do you want me to say?