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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have a very simple question
If this effin system is so great why havent Donvict and Muskrat been stopped yet?
That is all
Moostache
(11,094 posts)It is time for serious people to begin planning reconstruction part two and/or a method to disarm the nuclear arsenal of the former United States of America. Those weapons CANNOT be left under the control of these madmen no matter the costs. They are not to be trusted with a package of Black Cat firecrackers, let alone MX10 missiles and thousands of warheads.
The USA is lost, there is no reconciliation possible with Musk, Trump, MAGAts or the Vichy GOP.
A split and repartitioning of the borders is necessary, and I want SERIOUS walls to prevent the Confederates from trying to sneak back in afterwards. These assholes have killed a system of government that was the light of the world for 200 years and for the last 50 has been slowly transforming into this modern incarnation of hideous historical echoes.
Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler, and the rest are reborn as Trump, Musk, Bezos and Zuckerberg.
History remembers the former with utter hatred and contempt 100 years later.
History will bear similar (or worse) judgement on the latter a lot sooner...
malaise
(294,166 posts)This should be an OP
halobeam
(5,091 posts)Magoo48
(6,710 posts)It may be wishful thinking, but I imagine there are some secret and serious meetings behind locked doors about the situation as youve expressed it.
WheelWalker
(9,386 posts)SheilaAnn
(10,670 posts)berksdem
(907 posts)I am not seeing any instances of a "great and effective" plan right now. It seems like a circular firing squad without true leadership. I am all for it but where are you seeing this?
KPN
(17,201 posts)forgive those who are not as optimistic.
totodeinhere
(13,688 posts)usaf-vet
(7,768 posts)..... in Florida, managing to STOP the top-secret documents case. Someone was pushing her buttons. We know the blacked-robed SOB Thomas was helping her deny us bringing the treasonous traitor to trial. There are others, but where and whom?
totodeinhere
(13,688 posts)That will be her payback. Trump is known for taking care of his loyal servants.
Progressive dog
(7,588 posts)and it'll take more than a week or two to protect it from the criminals now in charge. Dictators are much quicker, but I don't think I want one, no matter what his/her politics are.
Ms. Toad
(38,409 posts)Who had 4 years to examine the system for weak points from the inside, and who spent the next 4 years using a single organization planning exactly how to exploit each of them.
It is going to take time to effectively counter them. Our systems to counter them are disbursed (ACLU to challenge speech, labor unions to challenge unlawful terminations, etc.) AND although we knew - generally - what they planned to do, we didn't have enough specifics to plan ahead to counter this rapid-fire assault.
Not to mention that we got complacent about listening to what Trump does, rather than what he says - since he has been more bluster than action - and he hates being managed. I certainly didn't expect this kind of organized assault by an outside entity pulling his strings (without him blowing his top and doing his own thing).
KPN
(17,201 posts)We allowed his prosecution to dither. Huge error.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)KPN
(17,201 posts)clamoring over a period of 2 to 3 years about the lack of urgency; and those people certainly dont fit the we category either. But theres no question that we as in Democrats had control and authority over federal prosecutorial levers. The need for urgency obviously wasnt apparent amongst those who may have made a difference.
Its moot now. But thats how I feel and felt about it the last two years frankly.
Magoo48
(6,710 posts)gab13by13
(31,625 posts)I believe that Musk is running a test right now. A judge put a hold on Musk's freezing of federal funds. 45 Head Start facilities cannot access the money. In other words, Musk is not fully complying with the judge's order.
The courts do not have an army to enforce its rulings, if this escalates the 3rd leg of our democratic stool will be broken. Musk controls 2 legs now.
They're just going to ignore the courts completely. Even the Supreme Court probably.
OLDMDDEM
(3,079 posts)malaise
(294,166 posts)Last edited Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:18 PM - Edit history (1)
accomplices. . Sure its a shock to the system but there should be more readiness.
Sure Im glad for the pushback but this is effin madness. This is chaos.
berksdem
(907 posts)Did our leadership really believe there was no way Trump was going to win? I can't help shake the feeling that our party had no plan if Trump won. Are we that arrogant? The lack of response is truly baffling and I am not sure who is going to take the reigns and stand up and fight for us.
malaise
(294,166 posts)Security and States leadership than I am with the Democratic Party.
This is a national and international problem not merely a Democratic Party problem.
KPN
(17,201 posts)KPN
(17,201 posts)have to wonder now were we ready enough to effectively identify and prove any potential vote count manipulations. If we were this unprepared for the first 17 days, were we equally unprepared to effectively snd accurately verify the vote count? Did we plan for every contingency?
Diraven
(1,856 posts)They told us what would Trump would do if he won, and now he's doing it.
KPN
(17,201 posts)Sigh.
malaise
(294,166 posts)He should already be in prison
leftstreet
(39,509 posts)BarbD
(1,385 posts)The reality is we are watching a coup. This is January 6th with nothing to stop it. I feel like Princess Leia pleading to Obi Wan "Help us Obi Wan, you're our only hope."
Nobody is coming to save us. We will have to do that ourselves by making a lot of noise.
spanone
(141,216 posts)He should have never been allowed to run for any office the rest of his miserable life
Rec
Magoo48
(6,710 posts)Our growl was reduced to a presumptuous meow and our bite nonexistent.
Billions changed hands and we the people were unceremoniously fucked.
Codifer
(1,184 posts)quite simply NO system that is secure from pure fucking evil.
None.
malaise
(294,166 posts)Bwaaaaah 😀😀. What a joke
czarjak
(13,512 posts)malthaussen
(18,477 posts)There is no such thing as a perfect system, and any engineer knows that if you try to make a system foolproof, you'll soon discover that the number of fools is greater than you had thought.
In this case, the failure goes back to letting DJT get off scot-free after his attempted coup. Everything else follows from that. Not just because the system failed to defend us from a single individual, but also because that failure undermined faith in the system itself. I doubt there are many people (except the odd Pollyanna) who think the US Justice system comes close to working these days.
-- Mal
malaise
(294,166 posts)Bangs head
malthaussen
(18,477 posts)They weren't cretins, they put a lot of thought and effort into designing a system that would compensate for the abysmal stupidity and cravenness of the people. That was one of the intents of the Electoral College, to save the people from demagogues by giving the cooler heads in the States the final say in who became President.
The system was designed with the understanding that the three branches of government were mutually antagonistic, and that their self-interest would always cause them to resist any power grab by any one of the branches. It was a cynical assessment of the actual conduct of men in government (and has a long legacy in the literature of the theory of government). It more-or-less worked, but the Founders either did not expect the monied interests to buy up all three branches and give them their marching orders, or they recognized that if that were to happen, we were screwed anyway. In any event, the rich found their front man, the people were either stupid (or desperate) enough to believe him, and worse yet, many those who didn't believe him didn't think enough of the threat he posed to actually oppose him at the ballot box, and here we are. I think it's ironic that the Democrats were all ready and primed to go to battle once DJT lost the election and started crying "fraud," and using extra-legal methods to overturn the outcome -- and didn't have to worry about it, because he won the election anyway. Now it's the Democrats who are suggesting that somebody cooked the books. I doubt it, frankly, at least any more than the GOP has always cooked the books. The Democrats failed to arouse their constituency enough to get them to turn up, and they lost. End of story. Pellucidly clear, one might say.
-- Mal
3825-87867
(1,835 posts)it's the method!
Democrats can't decide whether to use baseball bats, viking spears, six shooters, poison, skantily clad "people", drugs, nukes, hired enforcers or a few dozen other ideas.
But more than likely, they'll settle on a few sternly worded letters!
KT2000
(22,037 posts)for our enemies to exploit. The mistake was we thought there was a system of shared values so we were blindsided.
TommieMommy
(2,729 posts)Skittles
(170,197 posts)the fact America has never had a female president tells me it sucks big time
malaise
(294,166 posts)although I avoid him these days😀
Klarkashton
(5,033 posts)malaise
(294,166 posts)Sad
Karadeniz
(24,731 posts)Evolve Dammit
(21,609 posts)surfered
(12,332 posts)malaise
(294,166 posts)and that fire was Jan 6 2021.
This is what he was planning since then and M$Greedia gave him all the airplay he wanted.
