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flashman13

(2,070 posts)
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 01:54 PM Feb 2025

I am posting this comment by Steve Schmidt as a test for DU. Do you want the harsh truth or

do you wish to hold on to many of the falsehoods and fantasies that have produced this mess. ALERT! He does not speak well of some Democrats. He is 100% correct in his assessments.

I don't know how to petition Senate Democrats, but here and now I am calling for the Senate Democratic caucus to call an immediate meeting in order to oust Chuck Schumer from his leadership position and replace him with Adam Schiff. Maybe Schiff can get the party up off the tracks and out onto the barricades. Schumer can't.

I have great respect for the wisdom, warmth and kindness of many fellow DUers. However, I feel that many others do not wish to acknowledge the fact that some Democrats share responsibility for this national crisis/disaster. The old guard will not save us. This post is a test to see which faction is is going to take us into the future. If the powers that be chose to remove this post - so be it. I will take that as a repudiation of myself and the truth and I will remove myself as an active member of Democratic Underground. Peace

https://steveschmidt.substack.com/p/we-are-under-attack

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I am posting this comment by Steve Schmidt as a test for DU. Do you want the harsh truth or (Original Post) flashman13 Feb 2025 OP
So, you feel qualified to put DUers to the test? MineralMan Feb 2025 #1
Post removed Post removed Feb 2025 #18
I was not being snarky. I was asking questions. MineralMan Feb 2025 #27
Calm Down Jazz Jon Feb 2025 #86
LOL! OK... MineralMan Feb 2025 #93
I am 100% in agreement that the Party needs to respond... Moostache Feb 2025 #2
Agree! Do we even have unified opposition in the Dem party? RiverStone Feb 2025 #65
+1. Sheldon Whitehouse should be the leader, radius777 Feb 2025 #112
Not Schiff JustAnotherGen Feb 2025 #3
4 great suggestions. Murphy has been on fire yorkster Feb 2025 #12
I think Murphy has it right, and is rising to the moment. yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #67
Whitehouse said he was going to vote to confirm brainworm bob, niyad Feb 2025 #83
This! calimary Feb 2025 #68
Yes in Murphy J-9 Feb 2025 #82
I like Rebl2 Feb 2025 #89
MURPHY!!! flamingdem Feb 2025 #96
Fine by me. I will support anyone on your list. flashman13 Feb 2025 #100
Fine by me. I will support anyone on your list. flashman13 Feb 2025 #101
I like Murphy. He has experience in the Senate. Renew Deal Feb 2025 #104
Also Schiff stabbed President Biden in the back. totodeinhere Feb 2025 #107
Ditto! BigmanPigman Feb 2025 #115
Schumer is a good Democrat, but not the best leader Raven123 Feb 2025 #4
Good way to put it. I scream everytime I see his monotone reading of statements in an empty Senate Chamber. Silent Type Feb 2025 #13
It can be, but people have held up Mitch McConnell as a leader EdmondDantes_ Feb 2025 #19
That may have been true in the past, but Mitch's power had been waning Raven123 Feb 2025 #23
Biden, Obama, and Clinton Rcanouse Feb 2025 #25
They have no power. Raven123 Feb 2025 #33
Posted on FB by Elizabeth Warren (sorry it is a bit long) birdographer Feb 2025 #48
Thank you for posting. I appreciate seeing her speak loud and clear Raven123 Feb 2025 #63
Very similar to Senator Tina Smith's (Mn) post on FB LNM Feb 2025 #77
Loud and clear, Liz. Magoo48 Feb 2025 #78
Welcome to DU. vanlassie Feb 2025 #73
Well and respectfully stated. KPN Feb 2025 #59
B.S. Schumer is not the problem. This is the same exact garbage that was leveled at Daschle and Reid. valleyrogue Feb 2025 #5
Schumer is a problem. Alliepoo Feb 2025 #8
You would be the first one to complain if he was replaced with somebody else. valleyrogue Feb 2025 #11
I doubt I'd be doing much complaining Alliepoo Feb 2025 #15
This is incredibly ageist. intheflow Feb 2025 #29
I'm 63. Lunabell Feb 2025 #32
I'm 80 Jilly_in_VA Feb 2025 #37
Thanks, Jilly. At 77, I agree with you. Fight and lead or stand back. Magoo48 Feb 2025 #81
Me too. 75 BonnieJW Feb 2025 #88
What is it about the '60's, and '70's Protests that you want to point out? (I was there) electric_blue68 Feb 2025 #75
Other senators can put pressure on Maga. Schumer's job is to work with his caucus. LeftInTX Feb 2025 #57
Senator Schatz (Hawaii) appears to have already started - soldierant Feb 2025 #109
The position is based on being able to "whip" the caucus. LeftInTX Feb 2025 #110
Agreed yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #74
Sorry, but Schumer is a problem. berksdem Feb 2025 #30
I remember Daschle and Gephardt racing to the White House to see who could capitulate fastest and hardest over Iraq. Gore1FL Feb 2025 #34
LOOK where Dems are now Skittles Feb 2025 #72
That is almost unreadable. ismnotwasm Feb 2025 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author valleyrogue Feb 2025 #14
I'll take the harsh truth, thank you. sop Feb 2025 #7
I vote for Senator Warren Arazi Feb 2025 #9
Steve Schmidt can go fuck himself, greedy opportunist that he is. demmiblue Feb 2025 #10
thank you... WarGamer Feb 2025 #20
Yes, he helped create this fucking monster. GoCubsGo Feb 2025 #52
Yes Democrats share some responsibility in this but so does Steve Scmidt standingtall Feb 2025 #16
Which Democrats stood solidly by Biden? 3825-87867 Feb 2025 #35
Biden announced he wouldn't run again only after relentless pressure from Democratic standingtall Feb 2025 #46
You are right. 3825-87867 Feb 2025 #54
Wasn't 2024 a lesson learned? Why do we care what neocon Steve Schmidt saya? WarGamer Feb 2025 #17
This is delusional nonsense. Schumer was unanimously reelected just a few months ago. He's not going to be ousted tritsofme Feb 2025 #21
Democracy will not be saved by any one person, BarbD Feb 2025 #22
Thank you mountain grammy Feb 2025 #24
Now is not the time to form a circular firing squad. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2025 #26
This is not a circular firing squat Jilly_in_VA Feb 2025 #38
You want to fire Schumer? Of course it's a firing squad. By definition. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2025 #45
I don't like tests, they make me feel icky and demand cat cuddles. nt yaesu Feb 2025 #28
I agree 100%! Lunabell Feb 2025 #31
I'll give Schmidt points on this: peggysue2 Feb 2025 #36
Schmidt is a loudmouth who had a heavy hand in getting in into this mess. Basso8vb Feb 2025 #39
Well at least he's seen how ugly the Dump team is Felicita Feb 2025 #92
We can't and shouldn't rely on Congress liberalgunwilltravel Feb 2025 #40
Personally, I'll take AOC and Jasmine Crockett as my Dem spokeswomen for $1000000, Alex FirstLight Feb 2025 #41
YES!!! niyad Feb 2025 #90
Schumer vs Schiff TA2020 Feb 2025 #42
I've always lived by the words " A Union is only as strong as it's members" bluestarone Feb 2025 #43
Schmidt was instrumental in helping GWB totodeinhere Feb 2025 #44
Not only that, but he was behind the whole Dean Phillips "candidacy" that helped... PunkinPi Feb 2025 #71
Steve is EMITA. Lemons UK Feb 2025 #47
There's nothing in this post that violates the DU rules, imo .... but, dobleremolque Feb 2025 #49
I'm with you! Something has to change or all we can expect is to get the same results. usaf-vet Feb 2025 #50
I don't think 5 commenters here even agree among themselves on what to do 3825-87867 Feb 2025 #51
To some people here: Lunabell Feb 2025 #53
Welcome to all the new posters here. jmbar2 Feb 2025 #55
This is a time for bold action, not polite letters. To Congressional Democrats: Lead, Follow, or get out the way! chia Feb 2025 #56
Nothing finer wryter2000 Feb 2025 #58
Murphy or Whitehouse... sanduca Feb 2025 #60
2Little2Late czarjak Feb 2025 #61
That is one of the biggest piles of crap I've ever read Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #62
Maybe run it up the flagpole in the Way Forward Forum. That's where DU's brain trust discusses strategy. surfered Feb 2025 #64
We need action FarPoint Feb 2025 #66
Murphy has my vote. dem4decades Feb 2025 #69
+1 Jilly_in_VA Feb 2025 #94
the fuck who picked Sarah Palin should keep the Democratic party out of his mouth bigtree Feb 2025 #70
You need to learn about forgiveness Jilly_in_VA Feb 2025 #95
What about what he did in 2024? LeftInTX Feb 2025 #99
I forgive him bigtree Feb 2025 #102
But the question arises. totodeinhere Feb 2025 #106
I believe him Jilly_in_VA Feb 2025 #108
Steve isn't at a loss for words anyway. JohnnyRingo Feb 2025 #76
GOP is to blame, not Dems Pris Feb 2025 #79
I've been here for 20 years. I already passed the test. nt 2 Meow Momma Feb 2025 #80
Goldilocks obsession with just the right leadership as if this isn't solely a Republican problem they could betsuni Feb 2025 #84
I said Rebl2 Feb 2025 #85
I'm not necessarily anti-Schumer . . . Scubamatt Feb 2025 #87
I think Cory Booker would be good. LeftInTX Feb 2025 #97
Decent choice Scubamatt Feb 2025 #105
Oh look, a new version of GBCW. niyad Feb 2025 #91
Isn't he the dude who brought us Sarah Palin? mcar Feb 2025 #98
Yes, he is. niyad Feb 2025 #103
So, this Steve Schmidt guy, who worked for, and to elect, Republicans for 20 years... LudwigPastorius Feb 2025 #111
Adam Schiff, Hard Hard pass krawhitham Feb 2025 #113
You say you don't know how to petition Democrats, & then proceed to act like you think they read DU Hekate Feb 2025 #114

MineralMan

(150,685 posts)
1. So, you feel qualified to put DUers to the test?
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 01:57 PM
Feb 2025

How so? You only post here rarely, so we don't really know much about you. How are you qualified to "test" other DUers?

I'll wait here.

Response to MineralMan (Reply #1)

MineralMan

(150,685 posts)
27. I was not being snarky. I was asking questions.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:50 PM
Feb 2025

You and I have been members of DU for almost exactly the same amount of time. In that time, I have posted quite a few times. So, if you were around regularly, you would have seen my posts, mostly in General Discussion.

You can judge my credentials from my posts. There are plenty of those to examine, if you wish. Or not. We all get to do as we please here, including asking questions of other posters. Those other posters are free to reply or ignore such questions.

So, I'm not going to attempt to answer your question. It would require a lot of words to do so. I'm not in the mood to write about myself today. I invite you to read every one of my posts on DU since 2008. I am the sum of all of those posts, for better or worse.

Sadly, the person I asked earlier have very few posts to read, so I don't have a good picture of him or her.

Edit to add:

The OP has been free to answer my questions, but has not reappeared in the thread he or she started. On the other hand, I have been back to this thread several times, since I promised to wait here for the OP's response. That's what I do. If I post, I return to take questions, as I did for your reply to my post in the thread.

I'm an active participant here on DU. I'm here. I post. I reply. I answer questions when people aske them of me. Perhaps those are the credentials you are looking for. Or, perhaps not.

Moostache

(11,009 posts)
2. I am 100% in agreement that the Party needs to respond...
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 01:58 PM
Feb 2025

Schumer is ineffectual and looks every bit the doddering old guard without a vicious and vocal response to these atrocities and crimes that are happening by the goddamn hour.

Go-along/Get-along and sternly worded statements are worthless.
Actions - shutting down all committees, stopping all votes, filibustering everything not nailed to the goddamn ground is just the first step needed...and Chuck looks completely disinterested and overwhelmed.

When there is no strong response, no unified opposition then a so-called leader will turn around and realize he is not leading any longer. He's taking a walk.

Schumer is currently that guy.

RiverStone

(7,275 posts)
65. Agree! Do we even have unified opposition in the Dem party?
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:54 PM
Feb 2025

If ever there were times for new leadership to step forward in the most vociferous and urgent way, it's now!

What other ways can We The People make that happen?

radius777

(3,921 posts)
112. +1. Sheldon Whitehouse should be the leader,
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 01:19 AM
Feb 2025

he's sharp and articulate, and more in touch with the base. IOW, this is not just about age - but about political talent and media savvy.

JustAnotherGen

(37,617 posts)
3. Not Schiff
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 01:59 PM
Feb 2025

He's not strong enough.

Booker, Murphy, Whitehouse, Warnock.

Warnock in particular has the moral high ground against the theocrats.

Schiff is good - but he needs to focus on learning the job of a Senator in an EXTREMELY trying environment.

yellow dahlia

(4,684 posts)
67. I think Murphy has it right, and is rising to the moment.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:01 PM
Feb 2025

Whitehouse is also brilliant and creative.

I am annoyed w/ Booker right now, because of his yes vote on Bessent.

I think Warnock could use some more time to get to the point of leader, and agree with you about Schiff.

niyad

(129,786 posts)
83. Whitehouse said he was going to vote to confirm brainworm bob,
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:48 PM
Feb 2025

his law school roommate.

J-9

(116 posts)
82. Yes in Murphy
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:46 PM
Feb 2025

Solid no on Booker. He's been a go-al9ng to get along type lately and that's not what we need. I like him, he's just not the fight we need at this current moment.

flashman13

(2,070 posts)
100. Fine by me. I will support anyone on your list.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 05:51 PM
Feb 2025

I suggested Schiff because he has been loud and proud in recent days. The old leadership is unable to rise to this emergency.

flashman13

(2,070 posts)
101. Fine by me. I will support anyone on your list.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 05:56 PM
Feb 2025

I suggested Schiff because he has been loud and proud in recent days. He acts like a leader. Did you see Schumer leading some ridiculous chant? That sort of silliness is not going to stop the Trump train.

Renew Deal

(84,709 posts)
104. I like Murphy. He has experience in the Senate.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 06:06 PM
Feb 2025

I’d be fine with Schiff. Don’t know Whitehouse well.

Jeffries should also go. Put in AOC. I’m open to others, but not Raskin.

Raven123

(7,578 posts)
4. Schumer is a good Democrat, but not the best leader
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 01:59 PM
Feb 2025

His rhetorical skills are uninspiring. Sadly this is the land of sound bites and his choice of words isn’t pointed enough to capture attention. I once made a comment on DU about him and my comment was flagged and removed. I get it, but I agree with those who would like him to step aside in favor of a better spokesperson for the Dems.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
13. Good way to put it. I scream everytime I see his monotone reading of statements in an empty Senate Chamber.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:17 PM
Feb 2025

EdmondDantes_

(1,411 posts)
19. It can be, but people have held up Mitch McConnell as a leader
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:34 PM
Feb 2025

And he's a horrible public speaker.

Raven123

(7,578 posts)
23. That may have been true in the past, but Mitch's power had been waning
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:44 PM
Feb 2025

Mitch was powerful enough to use Trump. But he was walking a tightrope. He Had a chance to dump Trump with impeachment. Failed to do so. I assumed he was plotting to let the Dems do the dirty work and then sit back and reap the rewards of pointing fingers at the Dems, and increase the GOP’s power. Well the GOP is in power and Mitch is on his too-little-too-late apology tour.

Rcanouse

(11 posts)
25. Biden, Obama, and Clinton
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:50 PM
Feb 2025

Where have these three been during all of this?

All I have seen in the news is that Biden has signed with a talent agency.

Raven123

(7,578 posts)
33. They have no power.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:02 PM
Feb 2025

IMO their time has passed. Clinton is old and not in the best of health. Biden? Seriously? Given the questions about his cognitive abilities and his age, the fact that he just finished an exhausting presidency, and was basically told not to run by the George Clooneys I really don’t see what he can do. Obama gave it great shot supporting Harris, but here we are.

No. IMO, people like Whitehouse, Warren, Wyden, Murphy and others who have been strong against Trump and support the Dem issues along with the up and comers are the ones who most likely will be successful leading. We need newly elected officials like Slotkin to step up.

birdographer

(2,937 posts)
48. Posted on FB by Elizabeth Warren (sorry it is a bit long)
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:26 PM
Feb 2025

Let’s be clear about what’s happening right now.
The Trump administration has allowed Elon Musk, an unelected billionaire—along with an unknown number of his unqualified flunkies—to access critical federal payment systems and illegally shut down government funding for certain departments and programs.
The system that he is now controlling is the same system that Americans rely on to receive Social Security payments, Medicare support, federal salaries, government contracts, grants, and tax refunds this filing season.
What happens now? Maybe you get paid, maybe you don’t. It all depends on what Elon Musk thinks. He can now turn on funding for his friends and turn off funding for anybody that he doesn’t like.
And as long as Musk has this access, he can retrieve people’s sensitive personal information. Social security numbers. Bank account numbers. Tax returns. Musk now has the power to extract that information for his own use, to boost his finances or strengthen his political power.
To say the least, this is an extraordinarily dangerous situation. I’m working to get specific answers from Donald Trump’s new Treasury Secretary on why Musk was given access to this information. And I’ve called on the Secretary to lay out what safeguards are in place to protect the privacy and economic security of the American people.
On Twitter (or “X,” as Musk wants us to call it), I made the point that no one elected Musk. His handpicked Twitter CEO wasn’t happy to hear that. She wrote back to me: “Actually, over 77 million people for exactly that.”
Actually, no. I can’t believe I have to say this, but over 77 million people did not vote for Elon Musk.
Over 77 million people voted for Trump.
Over 75 million people voted for Kamala Harris.
Elon Musk was not on the ballot.
Elon Musk did not win a single electoral vote.
Elon Musk did not win an election.
Elon Musk has not been confirmed by the U.S. Senate to a position in the administration.
And the Constitution doesn’t give him any power to cut off funding that Congress approved.
He’s in this position because he spent more than $290 million on the 2024 elections—and that bought him an opportunity to be “co-president” with Trump.
This situation is alarming. When unelected billionaires start ransacking our government offices, we cannot act business as usual. We are living a nightmare created by Trump and Musk, and we need to wake up and do something.
I’ll keep ringing every alarm bell I can find and continue doing everything in my power to get this under control.

valleyrogue

(2,600 posts)
5. B.S. Schumer is not the problem. This is the same exact garbage that was leveled at Daschle and Reid.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 01:59 PM
Feb 2025

The pressure needs to be put on the GOP. There needs to be tremendous pressure for them to do the right thing. The Democrats do not currently have a majority in Congress.

The action against the administration is being taken through the system of the federal courts. No, the USSC won't go there and overrule anything, not if they care about their careers and even lives.

Schmidt knows a lot, but he wasn't alive when the 1960s turmoil happened. He was born in 1970. He has no clue how bad it can get, and it will--from the public.





Alliepoo

(2,772 posts)
8. Schumer is a problem.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:13 PM
Feb 2025

You want pressure brought on maga-don’t think Schumer is the guy to do it. He doesn’t have what it takes to fight the way Dems need to fight in order to take on maga. He’s an old time statesman with old ways and just doesn’t get what we need right now. He should offer his expertise behind the scenes but we need someone else out there that’s not conciliatory.

valleyrogue

(2,600 posts)
11. You would be the first one to complain if he was replaced with somebody else.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:16 PM
Feb 2025

They wouldn't be able to do it, either.

I wonder about the age of many of the posters here.

Steve Schmidt has utterly NO firsthand knowledge of the 1960s and early 1970s upheavals. NONE. He was preschool age when Nixon resigned.

Alliepoo

(2,772 posts)
15. I doubt I'd be doing much complaining
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:27 PM
Feb 2025

If he was replaced as long as his replacement is younger and understands what needs to be done and how to do it. We’ve got to be on the ball and in magas face relentlessly. Schumer isn’t cut out that way and he can’t manage it. Like I said before he can offer guidance behind the scenes but we need someone else that can handle things. And fwiw, I’m pretty old.

intheflow

(30,022 posts)
29. This is incredibly ageist.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:56 PM
Feb 2025

"He was preschool school when Nixon was impeached." Yeah, so what? Schmidt isn't fresh out of college, he's in his 50s. He might have read something about Watergate once, maybe he had older siblings or family members who were impacted by Vietnam and so he was exposed in that way. I was 9 when Nixon was impeached, and I'm 61 now. Same with Harris. Are we too young to know about past strife? Do you think no one can know about history unless they experience it firsthand? I didn't experience the Holocaust firsthand but I know it was evil. Are you in your 90s that look look upon 50-somethings with such disdain?

 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
32. I'm 63.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:01 PM
Feb 2025

I agree 100% with the originalpost. I don't want bipartisanship appeasement. That's why we're here.

Jilly_in_VA

(13,851 posts)
37. I'm 80
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:04 PM
Feb 2025

and I think it's time for the "old guard" to lead, follow, or GTF out of the way!

Magoo48

(6,696 posts)
81. Thanks, Jilly. At 77, I agree with you. Fight and lead or stand back.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:43 PM
Feb 2025

Leaders are now showing themselves, make way, let them through. They old paths and protocols got us here, now.

BonnieJW

(3,082 posts)
88. Me too. 75
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:52 PM
Feb 2025

Schumer thinks about reelection before he says anything. He knows he's too old and he's afraid of losing anything he still has, which isn't much.

LeftInTX

(34,015 posts)
57. Other senators can put pressure on Maga. Schumer's job is to work with his caucus.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:35 PM
Feb 2025

Generally majority or minority leader goes to the most senior position. It's a position based on experience, not rhetoric.

soldierant

(9,289 posts)
109. Senator Schatz (Hawaii) appears to have already started -
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 11:38 PM
Feb 2025

at least I am seeing his name and quotes.

I don't care about age as long as they are speaking up. At least in the short run.

OF course in the long run, sure, it would be nice to have a leader who is going to be around for a while. Right now, a powerhouseof any age would be appreciated.

LeftInTX

(34,015 posts)
110. The position is based on being able to "whip" the caucus.
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 11:41 PM
Feb 2025

Making sure your senators are there when you need them etc.

Knowing procedures etc.

It really is based on experience.

Gore1FL

(22,855 posts)
34. I remember Daschle and Gephardt racing to the White House to see who could capitulate fastest and hardest over Iraq.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:03 PM
Feb 2025

Maybe some of it was garbage, but not all of it.

Skittles

(169,740 posts)
72. LOOK where Dems are now
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:26 PM
Feb 2025

any other "leader" with these results would have been bounced long ago

TIME FOR A CHANGE

ismnotwasm

(42,663 posts)
6. That is almost unreadable.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:02 PM
Feb 2025

Last edited Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:38 PM - Edit history (1)

It is not a nuanced take but babble with *digs and name-calling

Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #6)

Arazi

(8,717 posts)
9. I vote for Senator Warren
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:16 PM
Feb 2025

But honestly I’m with you, Schumer isn’t the person we need at the front of the barricades

demmiblue

(39,282 posts)
10. Steve Schmidt can go fuck himself, greedy opportunist that he is.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:16 PM
Feb 2025

Not bothering reading anything he has to say.

standingtall

(3,144 posts)
16. Yes Democrats share some responsibility in this but so does Steve Scmidt
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:29 PM
Feb 2025

Not only, because he was part of the republican apparatus that help erode out institutions that ultimately lead to Trump, but also because he along with Jon Stewart and the like could not stand in total solidarity with Democrats and constantly ridiculed President Biden's age, because they thought they were smarter then everyone else. So now they have a corrupt President that will be even older then Biden was by the end of his term. Not to mention Scmidt tried to get the anti social security starbucks coffee guy to run for President in 2020.

3825-87867

(1,809 posts)
35. Which Democrats stood solidly by Biden?
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:03 PM
Feb 2025

They quickly disappeared after he announced he wouldn't run again. Hop on the Kamala wagon and try to remember ol' 46. And the message we heard thereafter was how we were going to help the middle class get better jobs ($50,000 write off to start your business - like most had the cash to start something like that) and cheaper, affordable housing and healthcare for the middle class when more "lower class" asked what will you do for us and no one answered.


standingtall

(3,144 posts)
46. Biden announced he wouldn't run again only after relentless pressure from Democratic
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:24 PM
Feb 2025

donors after they demanded it they wouldn't give any donations to Democrats until he stepped down and that was in the news like everyday. I'm not going to debate rather Biden could've won if he stayed the course, but to me if you force an incumbent to step down you better win. Trying to blame Biden doesn't work. Would be like if a basketball or football team benching it's star player in the 1st half for the rest of the game just, because they weren't playing well and then after they lose instead of taking responsibility for it they point the finger and say it's the fault of they guy we wouldn't let play anymore.

3825-87867

(1,809 posts)
54. You are right.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:32 PM
Feb 2025

BY the way, you sound like a Steelers Fan who knows the head coach can't win because he doesn't have the right people working for him.

tritsofme

(19,812 posts)
21. This is delusional nonsense. Schumer was unanimously reelected just a few months ago. He's not going to be ousted
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:37 PM
Feb 2025

let alone in favor of a newly elected freshman.

BarbD

(1,372 posts)
22. Democracy will not be saved by any one person,
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:44 PM
Feb 2025

but by all of us working together. There is no super savior that will appeal to everyone, wave a magic wand and bring us back to normal. I was born in 1937 in Milwaukee and lived through the toxic McCarthy era. The fear of communism with the motto, "Better Dead than Red", the House UnAmerican Activities Hearings that destroyed so many lives. Kruschev banging his shoe at the United Nations yelling, "We will bury you!" Watched women screaming with hatred at black children being escorted to school by the National Guard. Cried when troops fired into a crowd at Kent State protesting the Vietnam war. We cannot afford to turn down any help. We are all in this together. We need to encourage one another. Let's take everyone's strength and forge a resistance. We shall overcome!!!!!

muriel_volestrangler

(105,620 posts)
26. Now is not the time to form a circular firing squad.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:50 PM
Feb 2025

"An immediate meeting" about an internal party matter? Oh, yeah, that's going to solve everything. Factional infighting is just what Musk wants to see now. Trump may even be intelligent enough to see how it would benefit him., Yes, it's that obviously a bad idea for the Democratic party.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,620 posts)
45. You want to fire Schumer? Of course it's a firing squad. By definition.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:20 PM
Feb 2025

And you want to do it to your own. So it's circular.

peggysue2

(12,405 posts)
36. I'll give Schmidt points on this:
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:04 PM
Feb 2025
What Elon is stealing doesn’t belong to him.

It wasn’t earned by him.

He is trying to steal our shared inheritance and its preservation for our children and generations beyond them from now, which is our most important trust and duty.


This is what it's always been about and I would remind you and Schmidt this is what Democrats warned the public about a gazillion times.

The so-called legacy media has been in on the fix for a good long time making excuses, sane washing, hurling one provocative headline after another to bash any and all Democrats while burnishing the balls of every Republican.

This coup goes deep and those who have the most $ and prestige to lose (as in Joe & Mika) folded early. It was okay to tout pro democracy programming until it threatened their bottom line. It's the way authoritarianism works--bow to the King or get sent to the tower. Or the rack if you're stubborn.

Here's a suggestion. We stop pointing fingers and the woe-is me-chorus and unite, all of us, every stripe to obstruct, delay, agitate Republicans while attempting to inform our fellow citizens of what's occurring beneath their sleepy eyes. They'll understand if this movement is successful but by then it will be too late to do anything without utter destruction. We missed our best chance with the 2024 election.

But that is done, over, zip.

People don't need a history lesson because history is being made in the moment, the biggest heist known to man.

The Way Forward is forward, not back!

One more thing: Christ on a Cracker, Stop Blaming Democrats!

This is a Republican debacle. They own it. They need to eat it, something we should be reminding them everyday. They want to walk into the light? That's good and fine. But if they continue to choose the darkness? We fight 'em like hell because this is our war and there's no one else to fight it.

Just to reiterate Schmidt's best line:

He (Elon) is trying to steal our shared inheritance and its preservation for our children and generations beyond them from now, which is our most important trust and duty.

Believe it.

Basso8vb

(1,230 posts)
39. Schmidt is a loudmouth who had a heavy hand in getting in into this mess.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:06 PM
Feb 2025

He can fuck right off.

Felicita

(73 posts)
92. Well at least he's seen how ugly the Dump team is
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 05:03 PM
Feb 2025

and now has some scruples. I'd rather have him on our side then not.

liberalgunwilltravel

(1,090 posts)
40. We can't and shouldn't rely on Congress
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:06 PM
Feb 2025

It will be up to us. We need to have multiple general strikes, shutting down the things the oligarchs care about. And they have to be sustained. Demonstrations should strive to be peaceful, but we already know that Trump has no reservations of using violence on peaceful demonstrators. So we have to be prepared. There are only 100 Senators, 47 are Democrats. There are over one hundred million of us. It’s time we used our power. The fascists should fear us, not the other way around.

FirstLight

(15,771 posts)
41. Personally, I'll take AOC and Jasmine Crockett as my Dem spokeswomen for $1000000, Alex
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:07 PM
Feb 2025

We need some powerful female voices to shut down this old white male dominated culture in our govt!

TA2020

(7 posts)
42. Schumer vs Schiff
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:11 PM
Feb 2025

I think he (Schmidt)makes a good point,
Schiff is a junior Senator but he is so whip smart and a firebrand!
And Schumer seems a little out of tune of late

We need leadership

bluestarone

(21,284 posts)
43. I've always lived by the words " A Union is only as strong as it's members"
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:13 PM
Feb 2025

The leader of our party is only the leader. WE need to either get stronger and push what WE want our future to be. I 100% agree WE need to show a lot more resistance but WE also have to realize that today's courts will do NOTHING for us. To me, it's like the old west when the cattlemen run things. I believe the only way to win is shut this country down PERIOD. (How, i have no idea.) Hell if the best lawyers on our side are stuck, we are in deep doo doo! Congress Democrats need to find the way, and that will only work if we ALL stick together with their plan. Sorry but it comes down to ALL true AMERICANS that are willing to do what needs to be done. That's right Everyone of US!

totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
44. Schmidt was instrumental in helping GWB
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:19 PM
Feb 2025

Last edited Thu Feb 6, 2025, 05:03 PM - Edit history (1)

steal the 2000 election from Al Gore. So no thank you.

PunkinPi

(5,244 posts)
71. Not only that, but he was behind the whole Dean Phillips "candidacy" that helped...
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:18 PM
Feb 2025

weaken Biden in 2024. Another no thanks here.

dobleremolque

(1,100 posts)
49. There's nothing in this post that violates the DU rules, imo .... but,
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:27 PM
Feb 2025

the new forum that EarlG created ...."The Way Forward" .... might be a better place to post it.

Earlier this week, EarlG said both General Discussion and The Way Forward are open to posts (sometimes even heated ones) about what Democrats need to do or should be doing. But if merited, discussions of this type will be moved to The Way Forward in the future. He said he'll let us know when/if that decision is made.

In the meantime, keep speaking truth to power.

usaf-vet

(7,760 posts)
50. I'm with you! Something has to change or all we can expect is to get the same results.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:28 PM
Feb 2025
Looking at
The adage is often attributed to Albert Einstein, though its origin is debated.
It goes something like this: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
It's used to suggest that repeating the same actions while expecting new or different outcomes is irrational.


How about these more appropriate targeted adages when discussing U.S. politics?
"In modern U.S. politics, it’s repeating the same partisan battles over and over again and expecting anything to change."
or
"In modern U.S. politics, it’s repeating the same partisan battles over and over again and expecting the gentleman or gentle lady across the aisle to suddenly cooperate to make progress."


Suggestion for the flashman13: Try posting in a new forum, "The Way Forward." The judging may be more accepting in that forum.

I just went this way yesterday after a post of mine was blocked. My appeal of the block got the block lifted. But I moved the post. Try it if you feel you might be pushing boundaries.

3825-87867

(1,809 posts)
51. I don't think 5 commenters here even agree among themselves on what to do
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:28 PM
Feb 2025

let alone do Democratic politicians.Therein lies the "rub." Democratic Person A wants such and such. B wants something else. C has its own agenda because C thinks its idea is better of than A or B. A and B don't like C because C doesn't understand what they go through. C claims A and B should buckle up and fight for the ideas C espouses because..then almost everyone in a democracy could get almost what they want...for themselves...and of course, C.

A thousand Republican Magats asked if they'd dress up in stupid costumes and embarrass themselves to pay homage to a felon and there's no disagreement. They all hate the same things their idol does and have the same mentality and intelligence - one issue voters. So they follow and are happy because...A thousand Democrats wouldn't think of that because each KNOWS the correct way to go! Uh Huh!

20 Democrats have the same concept but 20 different ways of getting it, usually wanting to make sure it benefits them in some way. After all, it's their idea and they read and watch good news and programming and etc etc etc and those on the Right are only interested in what tramp says. Sure, they're actually ignorant and stupid. But they'll all charge the wall regardless of outcome if they are told to. Democrats won't...because, well, they really do think more. But mainly their opinion is more important and if it conflicts with others, they may take their ball and bat and just go home.

Until the Democrats unite behind something as brainless as Republicans and even vote to cut off their noses to spite their faces, the Right will and has Won. And there's no foreseeable future until ALL Democrats start agreeing on ONE thing, whatever that will be regardless whether A, B or C wants it. Compromise will be nice. But until then, unity matters. And Democrats want large unity and Patriotism,..but "I" still want mine, too. And until "I" decide to put the country first, "my" wants will continue to divide our party.

Disagree with me!

chia

(2,753 posts)
56. This is a time for bold action, not polite letters. To Congressional Democrats: Lead, Follow, or get out the way!
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:33 PM
Feb 2025

wryter2000

(47,940 posts)
58. Nothing finer
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:36 PM
Feb 2025

Than a Republican telling the party in the minority what to do. Could he have a few words for his own party?

sanduca

(94 posts)
60. Murphy or Whitehouse...
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:39 PM
Feb 2025

Would do a better job.
Not sure of why some Democrats are scared of the felon. They should be raising hell every day.
I see Steve's point. He's frustrated like I am to see most democrat's silence.

czarjak

(13,453 posts)
61. 2Little2Late
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:42 PM
Feb 2025

SchmidtBitching now? Weren't you going to drag the scum kicking and screaming to Republican Conservatism because we were "scum "? You will not deny it without being a Total Tool. F-U still Steve. Thanks for N-O-T-H-I-N-G!

Wiz Imp

(9,067 posts)
62. That is one of the biggest piles of crap I've ever read
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:45 PM
Feb 2025

Brought to you by a person who bears more responsibility for Trump reign of terror than any Democrat. (To be clear, I'm referring to Schmidt, not the OP)

surfered

(11,727 posts)
64. Maybe run it up the flagpole in the Way Forward Forum. That's where DU's brain trust discusses strategy.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 03:54 PM
Feb 2025

bigtree

(93,444 posts)
70. the fuck who picked Sarah Palin should keep the Democratic party out of his mouth
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:15 PM
Feb 2025

...he can regret that all he wants, but that's the long and short of his political wisdom.

He's good for ranting about Trump, though. He should stick to that.

bigtree

(93,444 posts)
102. I forgive him
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 06:01 PM
Feb 2025

...he still has no business telling Democrats what to do.

It's really something how these former republicans believe they can co-opt their politics with Democrats just because Trump has destroyed their party.

totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
106. But the question arises.
Thu Feb 6, 2025, 05:06 PM
Feb 2025

Is his conversion genuine or does he just have his finger up to the wind in order to further his career.

JohnnyRingo

(20,537 posts)
76. Steve isn't at a loss for words anyway.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:36 PM
Feb 2025

I for one am glad he sat at the keyboard and hammered out that warning.
He went in with a sharp ax.

Pris

(153 posts)
79. GOP is to blame, not Dems
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:39 PM
Feb 2025

I laugh at many on the GOP "Never Trump" side who blame democrats when they voted for Trump on 2016.

Now they want us to save them.

betsuni

(28,759 posts)
84. Goldilocks obsession with just the right leadership as if this isn't solely a Republican problem they could
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:49 PM
Feb 2025

fix immediately. "Harsh truth" "Old guard" -- Blame Democrats.

THIS POST IS A TEST

Scubamatt

(258 posts)
87. I'm not necessarily anti-Schumer . . .
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:52 PM
Feb 2025

for purposes of managing the caucus, but we need someone with energy, media savvy-ness and a sense of urgency to be our "face." We need to fight with every tool we have, and Schumer has done some good things, but having him as the spokesperson now, in this moment is a disaster. The media has been conditioned to react to confidence and "in-your-face" style bombast. We need someone to fill that role.

LeftInTX

(34,015 posts)
97. I think Cory Booker would be good.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 05:24 PM
Feb 2025

There are no rules that state our caucus leader needs to be our PR person. Cory has got a great presence, energy and strong speaking voice.

LudwigPastorius

(14,238 posts)
111. So, this Steve Schmidt guy, who worked for, and to elect, Republicans for 20 years...
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 01:03 AM
Feb 2025

blames Joe Biden, Chuck Schumer, and the "woke" Democratic Party for Trump?

He can go fuck himself.

Hekate

(100,132 posts)
114. You say you don't know how to petition Democrats, & then proceed to act like you think they read DU
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 01:39 AM
Feb 2025

They don’t. At best — at the very most — they have some intern assigned to spend a small part of each day taking the temperature of our site, along with many others.

If you want to make sure Democrats in office get your message, call all their offices and speak to the staffs. They will kindly add check-marks to columns of constituent concerns on a yellow legal pad.

Also, get in touch with Indivisible and sign up. They are proving to be very effective in the arena of ginning up public opinion to push politicians. https://indivisible.org/

But “testing” us at DU? In this fashion? Please.

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