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TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)2016 to encourage people not to vote for Hillary:
Noam Chomsky said it best:
"Noam Chomsky: Progressives who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton made a 'bad mistake'
Legendary linguist and activist Noam Chomsky thinks that progressives and left-wingers who didn't want to vote for Hillary Clinton this year have badly miscalculated -- and will now pay a very dear price.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/noam-chomsky-progressives-who-refused-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-made-a-bad-mistake/
Those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,870 posts)oasis
(53,695 posts)Hitorque
(254 posts)Can we finally say she's "complicit in genocide"?
I've been waiting to throw that shit back in their faces.
IzzaNuDay
(1,296 posts)After all she spent the time during the general election bashing Biden/Harris; leaving some people to not vote or vote for the felon. So she got almost exactly what she asked for
Rashida, STFU!!!!🤬
MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)Our enemy is the fascist horde.
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,060 posts)so for me, I have, at this point in time, zero respect for her.
MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)I've got greater issues with party members within critical positions of power that have yet to demonstrate the leadership, resolve and actions that must be taken.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)Also, can you elaborate more on which party members in "critical positions" are not demonstrating leadership and resolve? That's a pretty serious accusation being made there. I do my best to keep up with the news, but maybe there's something I've missed. Please help me out here, that's not too much to ask, I hope.
MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)Time will tell.
I vote Blue.
No matter whom.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)* in encouraging others to not support her? Thanks for sharing, but I'm not interested in how you voted. I just want to know if her actions meet with your approval. Was the treachery justified? Was it worth it?
>> There Have Been Further Steps Taken
This is rather ambiguous. What are you getting at? What "further steps" are you referring to? Who has taken "further steps" and how do these steps improve (or make worse?) our current situation?
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)but with the firefighters who have had their truck taken away and have to fight the fire with buckets
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)* and the familiar lie that "both parties are the same" continues in full force. "No regerts."

Link to tweet
genxlib
(6,136 posts)Wonder what they are thinking now?
My guess is we are hearing crickets from them. But I don't want to give either them or twitter the time of day.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)What are they thinking now? It's difficult to tell... I expect that there's a feeling of smug satisfaction. Just a guess.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)If what you want in life is to be a perpetual victim then you should totally support the GOP especially MAGAGOP.
Democrats are not perfect, and God knows we know that. But we are the only major party in this country who gives a good goddam about human beings and their needs in the 21st century.
Who the hell does the Abandon Harris faction think came to the aid of Muslims when trump tried to ban them at the airports and kick them out of the country back in the early days of his first administration? Who? It sure as hell was not anyone wearing a red cap.
Johnny2X2X
(24,210 posts)She had a chance to dramatically improve the prospects of the people of Gaza by not only endorsing, but working to elect Kamala Harris. She instead chose to go with the flow and blame Biden and Harris for Israel's misdeeds.
She knew what was on the line, she could have been at the forefront explaining why the very survival of the Palestinian people depended on Kamala Harris beating Donald Trump. I firmly believe she could have spent her efforts in her district in Dearborn, MI to get Kamala Harris elected, that alone could have flipped Michigan. Maybe that could have helped in PA and WI too.
Trump won Dearborn after Biden crushed Trump there by over 80 points in 2020. Hamtramack was also a massive swing. Trump won MI by 80,000 votes, flip 40,000 and Harris wins MI, I believe Tlaib could have swung that many votes alone.
And she knew what was on the line more than anyone, she had been a target personally of Trump. She knew Trump wanted to ban people of her religion from entering the country. So she's not the enemy, but she made an error in judgement that was perhaps more culpable than almost anyone else for Trump being relected and now openly talking of ethnic cleansing.
MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)Personal failings and personal culpability are things to discuss and improve upon.
Our party has a great deal of room for improvement.
That is the human condition in which we exist.
Johnny2X2X
(24,210 posts)I am still pretty disappointed with my party for not really playing to win. Sure, they ran a good traditional campaign, but they once again failed to see how Trump's team was using technology and social media to shape the views of the electorate and they failed to adequately counteract it. Once Musk and his $300M got involved, it was probably a losing cause. But I feel like in 2016, Trump's team conpletely outflanked Hillary's team with micro ads on FB that swung the election, so I expected we had learned from that. I feel like the DNC is behind the times.
travelingthrulife
(5,179 posts)end the Israel/Palestinian conflict? Maybe she is not smart enough to be a Congress person.
Sundance1220
(285 posts)from STRONGLY supporting Harris/Walz is most certainly my enemy.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)* and hoping that I won't notice their treachery. Well, I noticed.
MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)Each viewpoint is valid.
We're each Democrats.
Sundance1220
(285 posts)for MY perfect candidate and I'm 64. Our system is binary and I always vote so I have to choose between one who is around 80% on my side and another who is 20% on my side. It's a no brainer. Those looking for purity are selfish and I'm unforgiving of that, especially when the stakes are so high.
MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)There is no perfect candidate.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)Jit423
(1,568 posts)I loved my spouse. COVID took him from me. He was the love of my life. We never agreed 100% on anything except our love for each other.
Throwing away the good in search of the perfect has always been a losing strategy. It happened to Hillary too. That is how we got Trump the first time and we never learned from it.
Sundance1220
(285 posts)On the loss of your lived one. You get it, many don't.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)Your perspective is as valid as mine.
That's why we're Democrats.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)If so, that's very generous.
MayReasonRule
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Everyone is culpable for their own actions.
Here's to successful defeat of the fascists and the ongoing restoration of our democratic republic.
May reason rule.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie. Yay! That's kind of a throw-away platitude that everyone can agree with, isn't it? It also avoids giving a direct answer.
>> Everyone is culpable for their own actions.
Yes, that's a safe platitude that everyone can agree with. But simply labeling someone as being "culpable" or worthy of taking the blame isn't really enough, is it? It really doesn't get to the heart of the matter, does it? Wouldn't it be fair to say that there be consequences when someone's intentional actions (or intentional inaction) causes so much destruction and harm?
Let's not dance around the bush, okay? I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm just less forgiving than others are. As a loyal Democrat, I find it abhorrent when anyone intentionally kneecaps and sabotages our candidates or when they do or say anything that benefits the GOP.
And in that regard, I just find it exceedingly difficult to comprehend or accept anyone's desire to move on and "get over it" or paper-over the subject with empty cliches. I have to be honest about this. In spite of the protestations to the contrary, it certainly sounds like a free pass to me.
MayReasonRule
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Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)* or who are willing to give free passes too quickly and easily.
~~ Alexander Cross
~~ Martin Luther King, Jr.
~~ Victoria Sterling
~~ Benjamin Steele
~~ Olivia Chambers
PS: Today is Thursday, not Tuesday. It looks like there might be a bug in your computer program or operating system settings... but both days begin with the letter "T" so maybe that's it.
MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)Give yourself a hug y'all.
You need it.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)Discerning minds can easily distinguish between candid feedback and analysis meant to enlighten and refine and condescending remarks, which merely diminish and wound.
~~ Anonymous
Irish_Dem
(81,277 posts)She has the blood of Americans on her hands.
MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)Your perspective is as valued as mine.
That's why we're Democrats.
Irish_Dem
(81,277 posts)But a traitor is a traitor.
She is paid to represent Americans.
And she betrayed her oath.
I am of Irish descent but I am 100% American and proud of it.
If I take an oath to work for Americans
that is who I work for, period. Not Ireland.
MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)I like you support Democracy.
That's why I vote Blue no matter whom.
femmedem
(8,561 posts)Btw, I share your perspective. I see her as someone whose values are better than her strategies. A person can learn strategy more easily than they can change their values.
MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)We're all passionate folks.
We're all wanting the best outcomes.
We're all on the same team.
You're very kind to comment as such to me and I really appreciate it.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)As it stands, she and those that supported her and believed the things that she did helped hockey assist said fascist horde into power.
MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)That's why we're Democrat.
We fight for democracy.
EX500rider
(12,583 posts)MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)We each bring to bear what we understand to be true and correct.
It's why we vote for Democrats.
It's why we're here.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)Given the choice to fight Democrats or the fascist horde- -- WHEN IT ACTUALLY MATTERED -- they chose to fight Democrats.
And, in speaking out against their idiocy and short-sightedness, I am doing my part to fight the fascist horde so that no one ever listens to idiots like that ever again and helps usher in the fascist horde to begin with.
MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)I do know many democrats that vote blue no matter whom... with whom my perspective varies.
Just got through with a nice supper over in my world.
Here's to eatin' well, sleepin' well and staying well.
We're in this together!
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)Many flat-earthers argue that their perspective is "valid" and deserves full consideration and due-respect (as though "valid" it's a synonym for "correct''). Ugh.
Ars Longa
(525 posts)She said "don't vote for Harris"....
She OWNS this, and those who make excuses for her
also OWN this!!
Happy Hoosier
(9,535 posts)MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)Happy Thursday y'all!
Happy Hoosier
(9,535 posts)MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)I prefer to find alignment and build consensus.
Happy Thursday y'all!
rampartd
(4,634 posts)sounds like he wants to send them to a farm upstate .......
Mordred
(231 posts)Mike 03
(18,690 posts)a luxury tourist destination, what he needs to do is give the Gazan Palestinians a piece of the action in the form of shares of stock or warrants.
AloeVera
(4,263 posts)You know Trump always lies. No, this is about "cleaning up" Gaza so the settlers can move in in style. Greater Israel, baby!
What did people think would happen after Gaza's total annihilation?
atreides1
(16,799 posts)The Nazis probably said the same thing to the families of their first victims...the mentally and physically disabled that they murdered in their euthanasia program!!!
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)Theresienstadt Ghetto was established by the SS during World War II in the fortress town of Terezín, in the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (German-occupied Czechoslovakia). Theresienstadt served as a waystation to the extermination camps. Its conditions were deliberately engineered to hasten the death of its prisoners, and the ghetto also served a propaganda role. Unlike other ghettos, the exploitation of forced labor was not economically significant.
The ghetto was established by the transportation of Czech Jews in November 1941. The first German and Austrian Jews arrived in June 1942; Dutch and Danish Jews came at the beginning in 1943, and prisoners of a wide variety of nationalities were sent to Theresienstadt in the last months of the war. About 33,000 people died at Theresienstadt, mostly from malnutrition and disease. More than 88,000 people were held there for months or years before being deported to extermination camps and other killing sites; the role of the Jewish Council (Judenrat) in choosing those to be deported has attracted significant controversy. The total number of survivors was around 23,000, including 4,000 deportees who survived.
Theresienstadt was known for its relatively rich cultural life, including concerts, lectures, and clandestine education for children. The fact that it was governed by a Jewish self-administration as well as the large number of "prominent" Jews imprisoned there facilitated the flourishing of cultural life. This spiritual legacy has attracted the attention of scholars and sparked interest in the ghetto. In the postwar period, a few of the SS perpetrators and Czech guards were put on trial, but the ghetto was generally forgotten by the Soviet authorities. The Terezín Ghetto Museum is visited by 250,000 people each year.
The Red Cross bought it hook, line and sinker even after several death camps had been liberated.
DBoon
(24,989 posts)that kind of farm
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)AloeVera
(4,263 posts)Stateless, destitute, stripped of hope and dignity and living in a tent of his choosing shared with his war criminal buddy. May they both get all that they richly deserve.
claudette
(5,455 posts)obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)zorbasd
(526 posts)Why doesn't she call TSF "genocide Don." I bet not a nickname of any sorts.
Fools, fucking ignorant fools!
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,870 posts)awesomerwb1
(5,103 posts)I really don't like that person.
LeftInTX
(34,302 posts)chicoescuela
(3,084 posts)Sundance1220
(285 posts)for this woman. She got what she voted for.
AkFemDem
(2,508 posts)about how I should feel.
Lemons UK
(225 posts)yardwork
(69,364 posts)People like Tlaib like to wallow in drama. They like being able to complain that they're oppressed. Their goal is never to solve problems, but to make things worse.
Rashida Tlaib and Nancy Mace have similar personalities. They're happy when they can be perceived as victims.
Rashida Tlaib is loving all this now. Lots and lots of narcissistic supply.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)RJ-MacReady
(603 posts)She is a professional victim, like Mace.
Vinca
(53,994 posts)FHRRK
(1,410 posts)Step one for her is to admit her huge mistake.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,870 posts)betsuni
(29,078 posts)ignoring everything, the true roadblock to progress. HA!
How's that revolution going?
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)But as far as any actual "revolution" goes, it looks like it's a bust. It's just a breeding ground for malcontents and sabotaging Democratic candidates, and kneecapping the Democratic party. I see a lot of fronting and virtue signaling, but nothing that amounts to actual progress. It's more "revolting" than revolution.
As I've always said: SUPPORT DEMOCRATS and ATTACK REPUBLICANS (not the other way around).
mcar
(46,059 posts)Just a thought.
ananda
(35,152 posts)The stupidity of that woman actually
makes her her own worst enemy!
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,870 posts)Muslim voters should have never voted for TFG. TFG was always going to side with Bibi and never gave a darn about Gaza or Muslims. Now these voters are realizing their mistake
Trump-backing Muslim voters finally realize they 'made a big mistake': expert: James Zogby, the president of the Arab American Institute, told CNN's Brianna Keilar on Wednesday that many Muslim voters are regretting the decisions they made in the 2024 presidential election.
— #TuckFrump (@realtuckfrumper.bsky.social) 2025-02-05T20:08:05Z
As Keilar noted whileâ¦
Link to tweet
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-muslim-voters/
As Keilar noted while interviewing Zogby, Trump received a major boost from Muslim voters in 2024 due to anger against the Biden administration for its role in helping the Israeli government's war in Gaza that has killed more than 50,000 Palestinians and that Zogby described to CNN as a "genocide.".....
When asked by Keilar if he'd spoken with any of these voters since the election, he replied that he had and they were firmly against Trump's recently stated desire to ethnically cleanse Gaza by removing all Palestinians from their land.
"Many of [the voters] stayed home, and some of them voted for Donald Trump," he said. "But they are now feeling very clearly that they made a big mistake. And, you know, sort of like the kid who gets in trouble and his parents send him to his room and he goes out there and starts throwing stuff around... in a pique of anger. All he's got is a mess and that's what we've got here.
"People didn't vote for Kamala Harris. They voted for Donald Trump. They had their tantrum. And now look what we got. We got a crazy man in the White House who's doing and projecting things that are really, really problematic."
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,060 posts)they fucking knew what Been A Dick Donald was all about, they fucking knew he is a racist, misogynist Islamophobe, he was very upfront and vocal about it, yet they decided to teach Democrats and the Democratic Party a lesson.
Well, assholes, how well is this working out so far?
OilemFirchen
(7,288 posts)
Botany
(77,324 posts)And Russia and Musk amplified your anti Biden & Harris messages in order to
poison the minds of Muslims in Michigan. You should hang your head in shame.
Vice President Harris openly talked about a 2 state solution and now Trumps Son
in Law is looking to develop Gaza into a beach front playground for the rich.
Funtatlaguy
(11,878 posts)a note saying ..we told you so, bitch.
Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)Raven123
(7,797 posts)Sad to learn the hard way
Hitorque
(254 posts)The same Rashida Tlaib encouraging her constituents to not vote for Dems?
That Rashida Tlaib??
To her credit, at least she's now finally calling out Donnie which is more than I can say for a lot of other formerly vocal Pro-Pals...
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)Politicians who follow Turner's path of lies and insulting party leadership, alienating friends, and burning bridges, do so at their own peril and at the cost of their own relevance and influence. Nina Turner smugly abandoned Democrats and joined a third-party, and in the end was soundly defeated. Nobody hears from her any more, she's no longer making headlines and has faded into a cesspool of obscurity.
~~ Anonymous
Miami Blue
(374 posts)She consistently lied about President Biden and
Vice President Harris's stances on Gaza.
Rashida's disdain for them was the main
rationale for why TraitorTrump is the POTUS
again.
She and her constituents easily assimilated
into the traitors divide-and-conquer movement.
So, Rashida just quit whining about your pal
the MAGA-NAZI traitor. Also, he is a racist
whom you knew in advance about his deep
repugnance for Muslims.
Now is too late, just pipe down and
stick him up your skirt.
🖕🏻
Johnny2X2X
(24,210 posts)"Palestinians arent going anywhere," wrote Tlaib, who did not endorse Biden or Trump and whose district includes Dearborn. "This president can only spew this fanatical (expletive) because of bipartisan support in Congress for funding genocide and ethnic cleansing."
Mountainguy
(2,145 posts)Really showed us!
Remember when she booed Hillary Clinton?
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)In moments of political disagreement, it is imperative for our elected representatives to uphold respect and civility towards fellow party members, rather than treating them as an enemy. Successful politicians will find more value in fostering constructive dialogue rather than resorting to public displays of scorn, ridicule and disapproval. That type of behavior erodes trust and tarnishes their own reputation.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)All fantasy.
The Third Doctor
(449 posts)Say. She was part of the problem in 2024 and refused to endorse Harris in the end. The undecided movement played a role in convincing people in voting third party, Trump or not at all. There were other factors in why Harris lost but she was one of them.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)lapfog_1
(31,904 posts)we won't have to worry about winning the Palestinian American vote. There won't be any Palestinian Americans here TO vote.
Despite either sitting out the last election OR actually voting for Trump... he and his team are not that stupid... they know they are completing the "job" of the GAZA war by ethnically cleaning all of Gaza... and they will deport everyone they can, including the refugees who are now citizens plus their children born here. there is a WAR here on anyone not Christian White Male heterosexual. White Christian Women can stay, but only if they "behave" and produce more children for the incels that can't get laid.
