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The Federal Protective Service is the agency that protects Federal buildings and Federal workers, including sensitive sites such as the Treasury building. Why did these officers allow Musk and his DOGE Agents access to these facilities? They have failed in their duty. They simply should not have allowed DOGE in and should have stood their ground.
The same should be said about any future attempts by Musk and/or DOGE to enter any Federal facility. Musk and DOGE are unelected and do not have the legal authority to dismantle government agencies that were established and funded by the Congress and by law. They are acting illegally and unconstitutionally, and Federal agents have the responsibility to stop them. Musk and DOGE are domestic enemies of the Constitution and those that have taken oaths to defend the Constitution must act to do so.
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Bread and Circuses
(2,074 posts)Baron2024
(1,492 posts)I don't think that it is too late to stop Musk. He is in clear criminal violation of the Constitution. Federal Law Enforcement, Military, and Intelligence Officers all take oaths to defend the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic. Musk and his DOGE Agents are clearly domestic enemies of the Constitution and are guilty of many crimes, probably including espionage. Leadership in any of those groups should be mobilizing to seize Musk, his DOGE kids, and all of their computer gear. This is one of the biggest crimes in history and is an unprecedented criminal takeover of our Republic.
Bread and Circuses
(2,074 posts)I am constraining my expectations that the lawsuits will stop it all.
Why? Because Trump and Elon will ignore the court orders.
There’s no real enforcement of court orders in these circumstances. Plus it’s the US Marshals Service, which is under the DOJ and I don’t see Pam Bondi letting them arrest the Hitler Youth Hackers and Musk.
The ultimate safeguard is Congress. And yeah…zippo.
Thanks for your thoughts
Baron2024
(1,492 posts)I appreciate your comments. I have noticed your posts elsewhere and it is clear to me that you have a real understanding of what is going on where many, unfortunately, do not. Stay strong and keep your fighting spirits up.
Baron2024
(1,492 posts)If someone ordered them to stand down, these are illegal orders in support of illegal and unconstitutional actions. These Federal Agents need to find their spines and say "no sir, I will not follow that order and I will not allow you into this facility". The chain of command does not apply to illegal orders and criminal actions. Any officer that follows an illegal order is liable. It is not just legal for Federal Officers to refuse an illegal order, it is required. Federal Officers must follow the law over chain of command when illegal orders are given.
Bread and Circuses
(2,074 posts)There would need to be some support from the command and control structure .
Otherwise , they will face prosecution and depending upon the charges leave them out of work, in prison and broke,
I am hopeful some will make a small push back
Baron2024
(1,492 posts)Resistance needs to start with leadership that is not loyal to Trump, Musk, or any of the MAGA criminals like Noem, Patel, or Hegseth. I have tried to communicate some of this to some Media Figures and Democratic Politicians. They are on the line too. Once Trump and Musk have consolidated their control over the Federal Government they will be coming after them as well. Time is of the essence. If people do not resist now it may be too late to do it later.
canetoad
(20,769 posts)Are you military or law enforcement? Maybe part of the justice system. No biggie, just curious.
Just an independent citizen. I did study political science at a pretty good University though.
Bread and Circuses
(2,074 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 8, 2025, 02:08 AM - Edit history (1)
L.E long time ago, indirectly Military along with more recent careers.
You’re observing my posts! Thanks !
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rampartd
(4,641 posts)security would have stopped me or you.
Baron2024
(1,492 posts)You are right of course but from the reports it seems that these DOGE goons basically threatened and forced their way in. I read that they either threatened to call US Marshals or actually called US Marshals to bull their way in. I know that it is a difficult position for these Officers to be in, but we are in a very difficult time and we need people to stand their ground and not give in to the false authority of these DOGE actors. I think that we are beginning to see more federal employees and officers organizing and standing up to Musk Trump. I hope that it works and that we are not too late.
muriel_volestrangler
(106,226 posts)...
Security staff initially rebuffed the engineers’ efforts to talk their way into the secure rooms, called sensitive compartmented information facilities (Scifs), because they didn’t have the necessary security clearances. But that evening, Musk phoned a senior official at USAid to demand access for his subordinates, the first of numerous calls to officials and employees of Doge at USAid that have continued into this week.
Inside the building, chaos reigned. Areas that were once declared restricted, with limitations on electronics such as phones and watches, suddenly loosened their security protocols to allow in uncredentialed outsiders. Doge employees were said to obscure their identities to prevent online harassment, a tactic that was repeated at other agencies. And Peter Marocco, the controversial new director of foreign assistance at the state department, was stalking the halls and meeting in private with the Doge employees.
By Friday, things had gone further downhill. After a tense all-hands meeting with senior staff, and outsiders in the sixth-floor conference room, the young engineers rushed around the offices with their laptops, plugging cords into computers and other electronics as they gathered data from the agency.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/05/musk-doge-takeover-usaid
It sounds chaotic, but it seems disappointing that they folded after Musk started threatening to call the US Marshals service. Fine, make him call them; ask what authority he, an unelected, unvetted, unconfirmed bloke has to order arrests. This is part of "don't give in pre-emptively".
Baron2024
(1,492 posts)Good reporting. Thanks for sharing it. It sounds like there was more resistance than I thought. I hope that other agencies and their personnel are aware of this so that they can plan more effective resistance strategies. The Guardian is a good source. I am still livid that Musk and his DOGE Agents got this access.
halobeam
(5,096 posts)information was held. I believe it was live on bluesky, the workers were talking about DOGE being in the building, how scared they were, asking for media to get there, etc.
I don't know my way around bluesky enough to direct you in order for you to find it, but its moments like that when witnessed, that we just don't forget the enormity of the situation, and the feelings that surfaced for those who resisted.
They were true patriots, brave through their fear, and held on best they could with what rights they only understood they had.
Baron2024
(1,492 posts)Courage is not the absence of fear but rather tenacity and bravery despite fear. I really believe that people are waking up and will be fighting back. Thanks for the good comment.
thebigidea
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WarGamer
(18,620 posts)Baron2024
(1,492 posts)There has been some internal resistance in the federal government by some federal workers. I do not think that everyone in federal law enforcement is pleased with this either, so maybe at some point there will be at least some resistance and opposition. Chances seem slim at this point though.