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maxrandb

(17,428 posts)
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 10:19 AM Feb 2025

The real reason they are going after Civil Servants. The reason they ALWAYS go after Civil Servants

It's NOT because of cost, or savings, or waste, or fraud. It's NOT to create chaos and uncertainty, that's just a side benefit. It's not even to get rid of oversight and regulations so they can poison, rape and pillage our country's resources and people. Again, that is just a side benefit.

I think the reason they target Civil Servants is much more cynical.

They go after Civil Servants, because Civil Servants are the last significant US labor force that represent how labor was valued before Saint Ronnie Ray-Gun sold America's Middle Class down the river.

The Civil Service is the last significant labor force in America that exists, where you are fairly compensated, enjoy rigorous safety and employment protections and enjoy decent pensions and benefits. They are the last segment of the American labor force that hasn't adopted the billionaire and corporate goal to turn us all into; "you ought to be just fucking thankful you have a job", lemmings.

Civil Servants are somewhat protected from the cruel, greedy whims of tyrants. It's one of the last American labor force, where your boss can't come in one day and fire you because they don't like your hair, skin color, looks, or simply because they had a fight with their spouse over having no half-and-half for their morning coffee.

It's also one of the last places where your boss, whether an SES, or a GS15, doesn't make 300, 400, or 1,000 times what a GS7 makes.

The oligarchs simply can't allow this example of what American labor can be to exist.

Break this workforce and we all become "just be fucking thankful you have a job" quislings.

Finally, civil service is an easy target.

I think it was LBJ who once said; "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best black man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

The Retrumplicans have spent, at least the better part of 40 years applying that to civil servants.

It's possibly the greatest scam in history. They have convinced a large segment of Americans making $50K to $52K a year, with shitty retirement options and benefits, that their true enemy is their fellow Americans making $53K to $55K a year, with decent pensions and benefits.

If the American labor force ever starts asking; "why do my wages, pension and benefits suck so much"?, instead of hating people that enjoy halfway decent wages, pensions and benefits, it's game over for the trickle-down bullshit.

That's why they must destroy the civil service.

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The real reason they are going after Civil Servants. The reason they ALWAYS go after Civil Servants (Original Post) maxrandb Feb 2025 OP
He fired the air traffic controllers... Historic NY Feb 2025 #1
Decent people--mostly Democrats--when facing difficulties, want to make sure others don't Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2025 #35
The whole truth, and nothing but the truth! Jit423 Feb 2025 #2
Yep, no indications of alternative systems to the status quo can be allowed to exist. Hugin Feb 2025 #3
May also be behind Trump's push to annex Canada DBoon Feb 2025 #30
Excellent point. Hugin Feb 2025 #31
Speaking as a retired state employee Beatlelvr Feb 2025 #4
They can also replace these people with "loyal" civil servants who will do their bidding. A_Steel_Magnolia Feb 2025 #5
And that's probably what they're after. mwooldri Feb 2025 #6
Excellent. Thank you. patphil Feb 2025 #11
OH! 😮 dchill Feb 2025 #17
Excellent analysis! Thanks. TheRickles Feb 2025 #7
Kick bronxiteforever Feb 2025 #8
Excellent post.Thank you for this BattleRow Feb 2025 #9
It is simpler than that Wifes husband Feb 2025 #10
There is NOTHING the Repugs love more Freddie Feb 2025 #26
Agree! Jill Hanson Feb 2025 #12
Absolutely!!! Thank you for this excellent post!!! KitFox Feb 2025 #13
Benefits Wifes husband Feb 2025 #15
Exactly! One time, in trying to explain this to KitFox Feb 2025 #16
I spent 30 years in the Navy maxrandb Feb 2025 #21
The attitude of MAGA working class voters seems to be maxrandb Feb 2025 #20
I'd say that's all very true, but there's an additional sinister element being added now William Seger Feb 2025 #14
(Civil service & unions) It's the empowerment of the worker that drives them crazy. Hotler Feb 2025 #18
It is one of the reasons drmeow Feb 2025 #19
Sadistic predators moondust Feb 2025 #22
This morning TSF said that USAID was filled with fraud and corruption. Not one questioner asked for an example. nt wiggs Feb 2025 #23
Also they know civil servants can't really fight back without compromising their political neutrality. meadowlander Feb 2025 #24
Really good points here, meadowlander. calimary Feb 2025 #40
It's more than that, seriously maxrandb Mar 2025 #42
Grover Norquist's dream as articulated years after Raygun set it in motion. "Drown it in the bathtub." I hate Nazis. Evolve Dammit Feb 2025 #25
And they will NOT succeed. valleyrogue Feb 2025 #27
That was what the WEP/GPO was about. valleyrogue Feb 2025 #28
Before the Civil Service system was created, government jobs used to be handed out FakeNoose Feb 2025 #29
Well said! Wild blueberry Feb 2025 #32
Great OP malaise Feb 2025 #33
Accurate. One small correction Betty Boom Feb 2025 #34
excellent points, Betty Boom Skittles Feb 2025 #37
My only quibble hueymahl Feb 2025 #36
I agree Figarosmom Feb 2025 #38
The other thing is they also make it harder for the remaining ones to do their job effectively. cstanleytech Feb 2025 #39
Yep, alot of low lives are jealous of government workers Dem4life1234 Feb 2025 #41

Historic NY

(40,037 posts)
1. He fired the air traffic controllers...
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 10:23 AM
Feb 2025

and now Republicans are like air traffic is f--ked up. The'd really be proving something if they canned the janitors and kitchen staff. but they couldn't survive.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,484 posts)
35. Decent people--mostly Democrats--when facing difficulties, want to make sure others don't
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 09:46 PM
Feb 2025

face those same difficulties. Sociopaths--most Republicans--want others to suffer those same difficulties and worse, no matter how little those others may be able to deal with or recover from them.

I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that's not what Christians are supposed to do. Yet most of the sociopaths claim to be Christians. I'd love to leave religion out of it, but religion is a big part of the current problem.

Jit423

(1,568 posts)
2. The whole truth, and nothing but the truth!
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 10:26 AM
Feb 2025

Two words not in the GOP lexicon: Service and Sacrifice

But Game and Grift are in.

Hugin

(37,848 posts)
3. Yep, no indications of alternative systems to the status quo can be allowed to exist.
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 10:41 AM
Feb 2025

There can only be one system. Theirs!

Where those at the top hold all of the cards.

There’s plenty of precedent in the private sector where the capture and kill of alternative business plans has been demonstrated. Hewlett-Packard, Costco, eBay, Long John Silvers, General Electric… Even, ironically, Walmart. They can’t be allowed to exist.

So, yeah, now this unsustainable business plan is being imposed on the federal government. Slowly at first, Amtrak, USPS, and now wholesale.

DBoon

(24,987 posts)
30. May also be behind Trump's push to annex Canada
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 06:02 PM
Feb 2025

A more just society with some sort of social safety net on our northern border cannot be allowed to exist.

Just like Russia cannot allow a democratic Ukraine to exist, or the PRC cannot allow a democratic Taiwan to exist.

mwooldri

(10,818 posts)
6. And that's probably what they're after.
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 11:18 AM
Feb 2025

The whole point of the civil service is to carry out the administration of government. Not necessarily to believe in the political policies.

Sir Humphrey explains why pretty succinctly in Yes, Minister.

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BattleRow

(2,449 posts)
9. Excellent post.Thank you for this
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 11:47 AM
Feb 2025

I rankle each time some nitwit figuratively genuflects at the neoCON altar of Saint (?)Ronnie Raygun.

Wifes husband

(720 posts)
10. It is simpler than that
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 11:53 AM
Feb 2025

The goal is to contract government activities. That is it. There is a lot of money to be made that way.
Contracting out government services has always increased costs or reduced quality, or both.
That is the goal.
Reducing government staff will cause complaints, which will lead to contracting out of government duties.

Freddie

(10,104 posts)
26. There is NOTHING the Repugs love more
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 05:29 PM
Feb 2025

Than feeding at the taxpayer trough. See also private prisons, charter schools, etc.

Jill Hanson

(20 posts)
12. Agree!
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 11:53 AM
Feb 2025

This is the best DU post I’ve read in a very long time. Thank you for sharing! This is so spot on.

KitFox

(566 posts)
13. Absolutely!!! Thank you for this excellent post!!!
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 12:00 PM
Feb 2025

I am a retired public school teacher. This brought me back to the ever occurring newspaper letters to the editor, vilifying teachers, in one form or another, as “lazy with a treasure trove of benefits”. The complaints about free breakfasts and lunches was ever present. It’s like the old adage: The fat cats will take all the cookies and trick the rest of the people into fighting over the crumbs. Or this one: A CEO, a laborer, and an immigrant are sitting at a table with a plate of 20 cookies. The CEO grabs 19 and then shouts at the laborer, “Watch out! He’s trying to steal your cookie!” Thanks again for your excellent post!

Wifes husband

(720 posts)
15. Benefits
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 12:10 PM
Feb 2025

Those "free benefits" are a sore subject with me. My own father used to complain about the free health care I got. I had to explain over and over again that my health insurance was not free. I paid my share of the premiums, as did my employer (the government) as part of my compensation package.

He never could get get that straight.

KitFox

(566 posts)
16. Exactly! One time, in trying to explain this to
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 12:18 PM
Feb 2025

a cousin, I showed him my paycheck attachment with the breakdown showing what was deducted for health insurance and PERS and I still couldn’t convince him.

maxrandb

(17,428 posts)
21. I spent 30 years in the Navy
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 03:18 PM
Feb 2025

You should try to explain to them that the military pays Federal, State and Local taxes, and for Social Security and Medicare.

maxrandb

(17,428 posts)
20. The attitude of MAGA working class voters seems to be
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 03:15 PM
Feb 2025

"I live in a 'Right' to Work state, in an "at will" job. I can be fired without a seconds notice, for ANY reason, why can't my neighbor??!!"

Their idea of "fair labor standards" is we all get screwed the same.

Of course, if they lose their job, it's because migrants stole it. If you lose your job, it's because you're a lazy, good for nothing scoundrel.

The thing I miss the least about my civil service job, is all the MAGAts sitting around the smoke break area, crowing that they were the only ones that worked hard.

William Seger

(12,443 posts)
14. I'd say that's all very true, but there's an additional sinister element being added now
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 12:06 PM
Feb 2025

... i.e., that such propagandizing is being used in the service of destroying the government to facilitate replacing our democracy with a fascist dictatorship. Ethnic cleansing in Gaza to facilitate building an "American Riviera" shows there's really no limit on the creative opportunities that insatiably greedy oligarchs will find now that they control the U.S. government.

Hotler

(13,747 posts)
18. (Civil service & unions) It's the empowerment of the worker that drives them crazy.
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 12:43 PM
Feb 2025

That may be the real reason they don't like universal healthcare. Universal healthcare would allow employees to quit shitty jobs and managers without fear of losing care.

moondust

(21,286 posts)
22. Sadistic predators
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 03:53 PM
Feb 2025

want control of EVERYTHING that has profit potential if privatized, dammit! And EVERYTHING else, dammit! NO MORE BIG GUBMENT COMYUNIZUM!!! has been the Predator's Song for a century but certainly intensified since RayGun when markets started to become saturated and predatory opportunities started to dwindle.

wiggs

(8,812 posts)
23. This morning TSF said that USAID was filled with fraud and corruption. Not one questioner asked for an example. nt
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 04:06 PM
Feb 2025

meadowlander

(5,133 posts)
24. Also they know civil servants can't really fight back without compromising their political neutrality.
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 04:15 PM
Feb 2025

Part of being a career professional civil servant is being able to protect your ability to work with any new government by not making partisan political statements. As a result, most career public servants avoid talking about politics and about their jobs by force of habit. They also spend most of their careers having to smile and be polite to people who are being abusive to them.

It becomes an ingrained force of habit that they don't punch back against people. If they did it would be used as proof that they are partisan and would be the basis for firing them for cause.

The truth is that public servants are the *administrative* state. They exist to administer the laws and policies that elected officials set. 99.999% of the time that nonsense rule that's pissing you off or that wasted money or fraudulent spending wasn't put in place by the public servant. But they take 100% of the flak for it because people don't understand and don't want to take the time to learn what it is that the people they vote into office get up to.

Easier to blame some shadowy theoretical back office nobody than the person you see smiling on TV and asking for your vote.

calimary

(90,021 posts)
40. Really good points here, meadowlander.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 08:01 AM
Feb 2025

They’re basically forced to “grin ‘n’ bear it”.

Hey, whatever job benefits they get seem like a pittance compared with what they have to put up with.

What REALLY bothers me are the reports about people being fired after putting in decades of service. Just taken for granted and then shoved overboard. They do NOT deserve this!

Heck, NOBODY deserves disrespect like this! (Uh - well - except for trump and his thoughtless, greedy, scheming pals.)

maxrandb

(17,428 posts)
42. It's more than that, seriously
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 07:36 PM
Mar 2025

Civil Service is one of the only major remaining workforce that is "somewhat" treated with dignity and respect. The "owners" of this country want to destroy any idea that workers be treated with decency and respect.

It's bad enough that these ordinary, average, hard-working, middle class Americans have to fight the billionaires, corporations and media that fund and enable the Retrumplican Party; but it's fucking criminal that they also have to fight 10's of millions of their fellow middle class Americans.

If just a few of these MAGAts would ask; "hey, why does my pay, pension, benefits and workplace protection SUCK so much?" instead of saying; "hey, fuck my neighbor Bill, because his pay, pension, benefits and workplace protection SUCK LESS than mine" they might actually see how hard the Retrumplican trickle-down bullshit has been fucking them up the ass for 50 fucking years now!

Evolve Dammit

(21,777 posts)
25. Grover Norquist's dream as articulated years after Raygun set it in motion. "Drown it in the bathtub." I hate Nazis.
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 05:16 PM
Feb 2025

valleyrogue

(2,715 posts)
27. And they will NOT succeed.
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 05:32 PM
Feb 2025

What these "libertarian" crackpots--hell, that is redundant--are trying to do is unworkable and unsustainable.

These criminals better get used to a massive pushback even from the MAGAs.

valleyrogue

(2,715 posts)
28. That was what the WEP/GPO was about.
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 05:35 PM
Feb 2025

It wasn't about "fairness." It was all about creating animosity between those who are private industry workers with no benefits vs. public employees. So, to make it "fair," they STOLE from public employees from states that didn't pay into SS.

In the end, it didn't succeed. These assholes trying to take down the federal government will not succeed, either.

FakeNoose

(41,634 posts)
29. Before the Civil Service system was created, government jobs used to be handed out
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 05:57 PM
Feb 2025

... as rewards or favors to the winning candidates' buddies. They didn't get "paid' to help on the campaign, they got a cushy job as their reward when the candidate got into office. It was called patronage and it was terrible. Those same jobs were given out to the next winner's friends in 4 years, so the jobs were only good while the candidate kept winning re-election. The entire system stank because there were no training programs or job qualifications, just a free paycheck for what amounted to no-show jobs.

Now the Repukes want to destroy the Civil Service system and go back to the old-style patronage jobs.

Betty Boom

(447 posts)
34. Accurate. One small correction
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 09:18 PM
Feb 2025

There is no GS-16. The GS pay scale only goes to 15, which is what I was.

I was just discussing this today with a friend who did not work in government, trying to explain why federal employees are so bewildered at what is happening right now. It’s because the culture of the federal workplace is about Rules, regulations, and procedures. And all of that has been completely thrown out the window by these ridiculous sweeping moves that don’t follow any rules, and have no plan for implementation or how to proceed.

The illegality aside., who exactly is going to process the paperwork for all these buyouts, when of your HR staff has been put on admin leave or fired because they telework from two states away?
(Hint: Human resources work is a good example of the kind of work that lends itself to telework — As are the vast numbers of analyst jobs in the federal government.)

Skittles

(171,715 posts)
37. excellent points, Betty Boom
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 11:42 PM
Feb 2025

even more reason to take the advice to not act on these ridiculous emails - how stupid would you have to be to believe ANYTHING these fascist goons offer

hueymahl

(2,904 posts)
36. My only quibble
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 11:26 PM
Feb 2025

Is that we have never valued labor. La or has had to fight for everything it has. Other than that, great essay!

Figarosmom

(11,989 posts)
38. I agree
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 01:12 AM
Feb 2025

But they'll be gutting labor laws and busting unions soon enough.

They also firmly believe there should be no middle class. Just rich and poor.

cstanleytech

(28,471 posts)
39. The other thing is they also make it harder for the remaining ones to do their job effectively.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 02:43 AM
Feb 2025

That's why they are trying to get rid of the FBI or at least weaken it enough so they can't do the job of investigating criminal activity.

Dem4life1234

(2,533 posts)
41. Yep, alot of low lives are jealous of government workers
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 09:26 AM
Feb 2025

Because they have historically gotten the best job security and pensions.

It's pure jealousy.

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