I've not seen this discussed anywhere, so I am going to raise it here

[Mr.WeRP]

Musk’s capture of Treasury data and systems gives him the ability to seize anyone’s finances. The gov’t has the ability to lock and take any US financial account. This is usually reserved for locking accounts involved in financial crimes.

Do we think Musk and Trump wouldn’t hesitate to do this to any person in this country?

[chicoescuela]

1. and it is all legal because tsf has immunity

[gab13by13]

3. Except Musk is the president.

I guess Trump could just pardon Musk.

[chicoescuela]

4. of course. It doesn't really matter who is doing the crime, tsf will pardon them

[dalton99a]

15. Guaranteed.

[dalton99a]

14. +1

[Wiz Imp]

28. Not legal

Presidential immunity does not extend to anyone else. Doing these things is absolutely illegal and anyone committing them is not immune from prosecution.

[rurallib]

32. as if that mattered to them

They will go ahead and do what they want and then tie it up in the courts for years if it gets that far. The courts may be gone by then.

[Wiz Imp]

35. I choose to follow the advice of Marc Elias

3. Don’t do Trump’s work
This is more than simply resisting Trump’s actions; it is refusing to accept his false assumptions. When he says he wants to abolish birthright citizenship, do not accept the premise that he has the power to do so. Stay grounded in the truth: The U.S. Constitution is clear, Trump is powerless and the courts will reject his efforts.

5. Believe in the courts
Republicans control all three elected branches of the federal government. They do not control the courts. Yes, the U.S. Supreme Court has a solidly conservative majority, but the high court only hears a few dozen cases a year. And in some of those, the Court has sided with democracy. Most importantly, remember that Joe Biden confirmed a record number of new federal judges. And, of course, there are state courts. For better or worse, we are dependent on the courts to help protect democracy. Rather than assume they will not, insist they do.

https://www.democracydocket.com/opinion/10-things-we-can-all-do-to-protect-democracy/

[chicoescuela]

33. This is a new world. Don't bet the ranch on that.

[Cirsium]

36. Pardons do

..

[Wifes husband]

51. He can pardon them

[the_liberal_grandpa]

71. Immunity perhaps but still illegal

The supremes ruled that a president has immunity for official acts but that does not mean that the acts themselves are legal. If everything a president did was ruled as legal he would not need the immunity.

[chicoescuela]

76. You are correct sir. I like your handle

[gab13by13]

2. Musk can also drain the funds from agencies

like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid and we wouldn't be able to prove it.

[stillcool]

5. I think that's what it's all about

divvy up the assets among friends and cohorts. I wonder what the politicians take will be, what with how Trump pays his bills.

[Wifes husband]

53. Hostage

They are going to hold veterans payments, social security payments, Medicare, retirement checks, etc, hostage for the tax reduction and debt ceiling arguments next month.

That's what this is about. Count on it.

They can also make selected payments to stay under the debt ceiling if necessary.

I know this is illegal. They don't care

[Dem4life1234]

67. How the hell did we get something so devious into our country?

Boggles my mind.

All this because the justice system couldn't do their fucking job with the orange creep.

[Wifes husband]

68. Democrats

Not enough democrats showed up to vote

[Dem4life1234]

77. True

We needed a large number to offset their voter repressive methods.

Very disappointed.

[claudette]

6. I thought it was

determined that he had “Read only” access and couldn’t change anything

[Maru Kitteh]

9. Oh no. That was a lie.

[claudette]

23. Who reported it was a lie?

[Maru Kitteh]

25. I think it was initally broke by Wired? Picked up by others later. I know I

saw it on my TeeVee this morning as well.

[Justice matters.]

26. He lies all the time on his propaganda media.

And the gullible x'ters think he's not.

I can make up all the charts I want on my PC using x-cell spreadsheets and make screenshots too.

I don't own a Fascist propaganda media to spread my lies (if I wanted too, and I don't) to gullible MASAt (Make America Suffer Again trumpers).

[Arazi]

40. Nathan Tankus has seen the authorization giving him write access

https://www.crisesnotes.com/day-six-of-the-trump-musk-treasury-payments-crisis-of-2025/

Treasury has been denying that they gave Marko write access, but I am looking at his access request right now and it has the Deputy Assistant Commissioner for IT Operations instructing the team to disregard all previous instructions and assign Marko read/write privileges for the datab

[claudette]

49. I like to

believe that there are true Americans who are in these departments who know more about computers than Mush’s baby qnd they will somehow figure out how to prevent a catastrophe from being done by these traitors

[Wifes husband]

55. I wish there was an Easter bunny myself

[claudette]

56. I have faith

in moral, decent IT nerds. A close relative is one and he has faith that there are morally decent government employees who want to protect us.

[Wifes husband]

69. Faith is wonderful

I wish the world worked that way. I really do.

[claudette]

64. Thanks for the heart!!

😊❤️

[rampartd]

7. twitter exists to harvest and sell personal data

who buys that exce4pt spammers and scammers?

now he has it all.

[Maru Kitteh]

8. You haven't seen it discussed? Where have you been for the last week or so?

It’s been EVERYWHERE. like. everywhere.

[Mr.WeRP]

10. Haven't seen any discussion that Musk could just seize bank assets, no

Show me some links…

[Maru Kitteh]

11. I'm not a dog so I don't fetch for anyone, but a minimum of effort should

produce what you are looking for. Start on BlueSky.

[Mr.WeRP]

13. Plenty of discussion about Musk controlling payment. Next to ZERO on seizing individual finances.

Don’t know what your problem is and I don’t really care. Never asked you to be a dog.. I searched myself and saw one discussion on Reddit asking if that person could move their money into an account that couldn’t be seized.

As far as anyone knows, there is no limit to who or how much Musk could take from any bank account in this country.

[Silent Type]

12. Even without Musk officials could always get into your account. Unlikely they'll do any of that now. But who knows with

this bunch?

[Mr.WeRP]

16. That's the point. The gov't has always had this power. But it's in Musk's (and Trump's) hands now.

Their goal may be to punish liberals (the new “Jews”) by taking their $$. This is what Nazi Germany did to the Jews. They took all their assets and wealth before they killed them all.

[Silent Type]

20. Not worried, and I have a Hispanic last name and post a bunch of liberal stuff under my real name. If they do

any of the things people fear, we'll win big in mid-terms. And, yes, there will be midterms. Obviously, I could be wrong.

[Mr.WeRP]

21. I hope you are right. My mind is in darker places

[Silent Type]

24. I get it. But we'll survive.

[Cirsium]

38. Who's "we?"

That is the important question.

[Wifes husband]

54. We will have midterms

Your vote just won't count

[Wifes husband]

70. Yes, there will be midterms

Russia has elections. What is your point?

Stalin said that it did not matter who got the most votes, it mattered who counts them

We really are in more trouble than most people realize

[Silent Type]

73. Live in fear. I'm not.

[Wifes husband]

74. It is not fear

Just a recognition of reality. But you do you.

I am done with this

[gab13by13]

30. A handful of government officials

with top security clearances had control of our money.

Musk and his Cyberpunks don't have any security clearances, some did hacking for Russia.

[Silent Type]

31. How long do your really believe they could get away with taking your money without a backlash?

[Cirsium]

39. How many times do we have to go through this?

"They would never do that!"

[Silent Type]

41. Got any examples of them doing that or is it just fear? I understand the concern, but think we should focus on mid-terms

[Cirsium]

44. Sorry?

Are you asking me if I have any examples of things Trump has done that people thought he would never do or that people thought he couldn't get away with?

What does "we should focus on mid-terms" mean exactly? We have been focused on elections ever since Trump same down the elevator. And here we are.

"Is it just fear" and "I understand the concern" are condescending and dismissive remarks, i my opinion.

[Silent Type]

48. No, I'm asking if anyone has had their "finances seized" by trump or his henchmen, not COULD it happen.

[Cirsium]

58. Not really

"How long do your really believe they could get away with taking your money without a backlash?" could suggest either "couldn't happen" or "hasn't happened." I responded to "couldn't happen."

[claudette]

50. Exactly

I’m thinking there are many intelligent IT guys who know how to take care of and prevent damage by these baby boy Mushers

[dalton99a]

17. And Musk can do all that with ZERO consequences.

[usonian]

18. Lots of posts. Even me.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219999508

[Mr.WeRP]

19. Sorry, that doesn't discuss Musk's ability to seize an individual's assets.

[Skittles]

59. what part of HE WILL HAVE ACCESS TO FINANCIAL ACCOUNTS

does not include the ability to SEIZE ASSETS?

[Mr.WeRP]

61. Access isn't seizure or ability to lock

Grammar and words are important.

[Skittles]

62. WITH FASCIST FUCKS IT IS

YUP

[Mr.WeRP]

63. Not sure what your deal is and I honestly don't care

But you’ve totally lost the point that the ability for Musk to seize any individuals assets has been discussed. The lawsuits do not mention this potential for damage and the threat of this capability has not been discussed here at DU as is obvious from the responses to this thread. I suggest you take a break and relax and learn to be more civil in this time of cruelty. Have a good day, friend.

[Skittles]

65. LOL

[Wifes husband]

75. This is just not how it works.

This is not an exercise in the meaning of words. You are dreaming if you think ACCESS doesn't mean seizure or ability to lock

[twodogsbarking]

22. Let's not discount the possibility of replacing what was there with something made-up, like Trump does.

[gab13by13]

27. Thom Hartmann talked about what Musk is doing

Musk is acting like a corporate raider, a vulture capitalist. Swoop in, only it's a country and not a company, take all of its assets and cash and just leave the shell.

Musk's goal is not just to cut back on government spending to pay for tax cuts to billionaires, it is to bring down the United States.

Musk and Trump don't give a shit about the United States.

[NoMoreRepugs]

29. It will BE the greatest financial crime in the history of the cosmos.

[Bluethroughu]

34. I've been saying it for a week.

Big trouble.

[Tootbsb]

37. Our bank just verified that anyone with your account number has complete access to your account.

If you file a tax return and get direct deposit, you are compromised.

If you get any kind of direct deposit from the U.S. Treasury , you are compromised.

And don’t expect to be notified. Very long pause when we asked why?

[RainCaster]

60. That's not entirely right

At my credit union, which uses the same routing system as every bank, the manager gave me more optimistic view.
1. Without a prior approval any withdrawal will be refused by my CU.
2. I have 90 days to dispute any withdrawal and my CU will credit my account immediately.

Even with that level of trustworthy, I will still move my money to other accounts that the government does not know about. I only keep a small amount of money in that account until it's time to pay bills, then the balance goes up just enough to cover the checks I wrote.

[Tootbsb]

66. Not how it works at my bank.

I made sure to ask very specifically if they had routing numbers or if they needed the account number.

[littlemissmartypants]

42. Prepare for the expansion of 'pig butchering' ...

I recommend everyone familiarize themselves with this. The USA has been invaded by a criminal enterprise.

[mahina]

43. I'm changing my bank account number

It's not a lot, but it's what I can do

[pioche4]

45. Been considering doing this as well

Several autopsy’s would have to be changed…but it might be the safest bet.

[Diraven]

46. He's also going to prop up cryto

He's going to make the US Treasury buy tons of crypto to prop up the price for himself and his buddies (and Trump's dumb memecoin), and help them offload it into far more stable dollars. He'll claim it's an "investment" because when crypto goes up we can pay off the national debt. Then when they inevitably rug pull and crypto crashes the crypto bros will have all our dollars and the US government will own worthless garbage.

[kimbutgar]

47. Can he seize private bank accounts and investments at firms that are not government sponsored?

[Mr.WeRP]

57. Yes. The gov't does this when seizing accounts that are suspected in Money Laundering operations.

[claudette]

52. Maybe

there’s a fix in place to prevent such a catastrophe. Our non-Mush IT geeks may save us. I hope

[Wifes husband]

72. This is tiresome

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Of course the Treasury can remove funds from individuals accounts. They are the Treasury. They put Capone away! They don't just control the financial infrastructure of the United States, they ARE the financial infrastructure of the United States.
Anyone who doubts this has just not had any experience of working with them