Trump Did Not Win - He Is An Illegitimate President

[Mr.Bee]

The numbers are hiding in plain sight - the last time Americans allowed an illegitimate President to stay in office after the official numbers were released we were stuck with 911, Two foreign wars that cost taxpayers between $4 and $6 trillion.

The United States ELECTIONS ASSISTANCE COMMISSION - Official Government Agency tracks not only the votes that were cast - but also the votes that were not counted.
That amounts to 4,776,706 voters knocked off the voter rolls for no good reason.
That is why Kamala did not win. Trump must be removed.
Trump is not president - He is precedent.

[Walleye]

1. I think we need to concentrate on flipping those congressional seats in the special elections. We have to take

The House or we won’t ever be able to stop this guy.

[notinkansas]

4. Agreed. But I also suspect that there were

shenanigans in the 2024 election - so much so that I still refer to him as 45. It just doesn't seem right to refer to him as 47 when his 'win' was so dubious.

[yellow dahlia]

39. I absolutely believe there was malfeasance in the 2024 election.

Have you seen this?
https://www.thenumbersarewrong2024.com/

And I believe it is highly likely there were shenanigans in the 2016 election. A little less data driven.

I believe everything about him is illegitimate. I have never called him by the title of the "office". I stick with Grifter in Chief, or other such names.

[Farmer-Rick]

14. Just how do you flip a rigged election????

It's not just presidential votes against Pedo Trump that can be ignored and Not counted.

What's stopping the fascist from Not counting votes against any GOP member? Then there is all the gerrymandering done by the GOP with house districting and Supreme Court approval.

It's going to be hell unless MuskTrump dies from ill health, a plane crash or maybe one of those 2nd Amendment crazies. I think we should reduce the salary and number of pilots, safety teams and security in the Presidential Airlift group. They are way overpaid. And it was started by FDR, so it has to be a socialist boondoggle.

[yellow dahlia]

38. Will they prevent it?

[rainy]

51. If we really won then how do we expect the congressional elections

to be fair?

[Mr.Bee]

2. Wake Up America

And Vote All The Block and Obstruct MAGA Republicans OUT!
Just vote ALL Republicans out. They're all dirty.

[suegeo]

3. Don is a known liar and thief. Of course he stole it

I still hate Shrub, who stole it in 2000. And the horror that followed.

[milestogo]

5. GWB did not win either

When they actually counted the votes, Gore won. But the Supremes had voted to stop the count. And when other people did the counting he was already sworn in. There is no way to reverse the process.

[Meowmee]

15. This

[Festivito]

17. We could make a way to reverse the process, if we'd get up from our easy chairs.

Gore lost by a faulty VOTE count, finally made faulty by SCOTUS.
Harris lost by a faulty VOTER count, made possible by registration and de-registration fraud.

[Attilatheblond]

28. And NEVER forget, 3 people who worked to stop that FL count in 2000 now sit on the SCOTUS

Crime DOES pay.

[rainy]

6. Democrats need to put the word out far and wide:

Make sure that you are registered to vote a month before or so before election, sooooo many voters were scrubbed from the rolls.

Also don’t use mail-in ballots. Trump and gang figured out ways to not count sooooo many mail-in ballots, especially from blacks areas according to Greg Pallast!

[valleyrogue]

9. Mail-in is great. Oregon has had it for years.

The entire country should go that way; in fact, it largely did in 2020, and the result was the most votes cast for a presidential election in American history.

[KPN]

19. As a fellow resident Oregonian, I second that!

We definitely have a great voting system.

[ancianita]

32. In Florida, mail-ins from Dems are matched to the registration database,

then lost, burned and just not counted. Can't prove it, but one tell is that FL does not send vote verifications -- online or by mail -- to let voters know their vote was counted. In FL, a voter can know everything but that.
https://www.votemanatee.com/Voter-Information/Voter-Status-Information-Check-Your-Registration-Status

[Amaryllis]

33. ANd I third it! However, the Marion County election officer once told me that you can't figure it will work as well

everywhere as it does it Oregon.SHe specifically mentioned states with mob corruption and states with Jim Crow laws.

[Initech]

7. Meanwhile, Hakeem Jefferies is like "we will continue to find common ground".

No, there is no finding common ground with these psychopathic assholes! They need to be kicked in their worthless asses and thrown under the bus. We've seen in the last three weeks what their motives are, we've seen how dangerous and terrible their talking points are. We've seen how dangerous all the psychos they placed in their cabinets are.

[yorkster]

12. I thought it was Amy Klobuchar. Did Hakeem

say it, too? Sigh... The only common ground is quicksand. Don't fall for it, so to speak.

[Amaryllis]

34. I heard the press conf house dems did and he is not saying that.

[yorkster]

35. I didn't hear it either. Winced when I heard

Amy K. say it a couple of days ago.


It's not that uncommon to hear. But that was in the before times prior to the
Blitzcoup. Now it should not be a thing at all. Unless of course, an R wants to come to their right mind and join us. Fat chance, for now anyway.

[yellow dahlia]

40. Hear! Hear!

Finding common ground? Dems are playing one game, and the Repuglicons are playing another.

Jeffries and Schumer need a paradigm shift.

[Initech]

46. Yeah, the democrats need a massive rebranding and new messaging.

We simply cannot break bread with fascists, and the people in charge now want us dead, not just gone, they legit want to kill us. Never mind that the last 40 years is entirely the fault of republican propaganda, they won't listen to logic or reason. They only listen to manufactured outrage.

[Silent Type]

8. We lost. Do you have a link to these 4,776,706 voters showing up at polls and not being able to vote?

[Mountainguy]

21. Precisely

This conspiratorial thinking is more damaging than anything Trump is doing.

I'm still amazed how quickly people here have turned into a version of 2021 MAGA.

[Wavelight]

10. I plan on voting going forward

But if Elon truly has his hooks in our democracy, what makes anyone think that future voting will be legit?

[everyonematters]

11. Here is the big question: can you convince the majority of the population that the election was really stolen.

If not, and we go screaming that the election was stolen, then we lose credibility with the voters. That's what happened to the Republicans in 2020. We can work to stop it from happening in the next election. The election was close.

[tritsofme]

44. I mean...these conspiracy nuts can't even convince Harris, Biden, or figures like Marc Elias

They’re living in the same fantasy-world as Trump’s 2020 election deniers.

[DSandra]

47. Did the American voters give Trump a license to destroy our Democracy?

Did they give Trump and Elon a license to collect extremely sensitive data and likely sell it to the Chinese and Russians?

Even if Trump actually did win the vote, it was not a license to do what he is doing now. Treason is not on the table even if American voters vote for it.

[SnoopDog]

13. Voter fraud is extremely rare...

Voter fraud is the excuse Republicans use to justify voter purges. Problem is that voter fraud is extremely rare.

Removing legal and eligible voters from the voter rolls is how Republicans stole the 2024 election.

Trump is an illegitimate president.

Because of this and that Republicans are literally destroying our form of government means that the People have a right to rebel against this traitorous attack by Republicans. They are the criminals - we have the moral right to rebel.

[Mountainguy]

22. As asked above

How many of those people showed up and were turned away?

Without that, then those scrubbed voters made no difference.

[SnoopDog]

26. All of them.... over 4 million

[Mountainguy]

27. Share a link saying 4 million people

were turned away at the polls, please.

[tritsofme]

45. So surely you must be able to point to at least one single account of a purged voter who was unable to cast a ballot?

[OnlinePoker]

16. We had 4 years of Trumpers saying Biden is illegitimate

Can we not have 4 years of the same thing for this election? It serves no purpose. Fight the fight and win back the Senate and House in 2026 and the White House in 2028.

[Mountainguy]

23. We apparently haven't had a legitimate President since 2000

Most here argue that Gore won, Russians rigged 2016 and Must rigged 2024.

Republicans say that Obama wasn't a citizen and Biden rigged 2020.

[stollen]

18. Trump's comments before the election

indicate he knew it would be rigged. That's why he spent time in states he knew he wouldn't win, like CA. That's why he chose repubs for his cabinet that would compromise the House...those elections will be rigged as well. Big Balls et al were likely involved.

[TheRickles]

20. Here's Greg Palast's analysis of voter suppression in the 2024 elections:

https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/|

[paulrevere2018]

24. There are 245 million eligible voters in the US. 31 million

Voted for the vulgar man-child . That's about 12.5 %.

[red dog 1]

29. Welcome to DU!

[Bonx]

25. Is there a subforum for election denial?

It's tedious nonsense that we scold others for doing.

[yellow dahlia]

41. I don't consider data to be "tedious nonsense".

[Dem4life1970]

30. It is complicated, but not far fetched

We gave up the store because Trump and the GOP were screaming relentlessly for 4 years, after losing over 60 court cases, that the 2020 election was stolen....and for people who are saying we need to focus on the future, that's not a winner...Trump won last time I checked.

The Republicans telegraphed that they were going to do voter suppression, voter purges, and position people in counties all over the country who were election deniers and willing to do whatever the Fuhrer wanted them to do. The "stolen election" big lie was their subtext to pass voter suppression laws all over the country, which they did.

There is no both sides-ism here folks. It is perfectly legitimate to understand that if someone is willing to lie about the last election, willing to accept Russian help in 2016 (fact: he did), try to extort Zelensky in July of 2019, ask the GA. Sec. of State in 2020 to "find 11,780 votes" (we've all heard his own voice on that call), that this guy might, just MIGHT, be willing to cheat his way back into office. He has priors. It's not far-fetched, it's not both side-ism, it fits the M.O. of the convicted felon (I left off catch and kill stories in 2016 to steal that election too-which led to his 34 felony conviction in NY State-the Stormy Daniels affair).

Yes, I am focused on 2026 and 2028, but I do not recognize Donald Trump as a legitimate U.S. President in any sense of the word. He's not.

[yellow dahlia]

42. And some of us on this forum were screaming for paper ballot hand recounts.

[Butterflylady]

31. Please follow the money, especially in PA.........

Why was Elon in PA giving away money? Was it cover for him doing things he knew would supply dump the win. Just look what he's doing now. He's dismantling the US government. I do not, do not trust this snake.

[yellow dahlia]

43. They have the technology...

[Mr.Bee]

36. Trump Lost. Vote Suppression Won.

As in Bush v. Gore in 2000, and in too many other miscarriages of Democracy, this election was determined by good old “vote suppression,” the polite term we use for shafting people of color out of their ballot. We used to call it Jim Crow.

Here are key numbers:

4,776,706 voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data.
By August of 2024, for the first time since 1946, self-proclaimed “vigilante” voter-fraud hunters challenged the rights of 317,886 voters. The NAACP of Georgia estimates that by Election Day, the challenges exceeded 200,000 in Georgia alone.
No less than 2,121,000 mail-in ballots were disqualified for minor clerical errors (e.g. postage due).
At least 585,000 ballots cast in-precinct were also disqualified.
1,216,000 “provisional” ballots were rejected, not counted.
3.24 million new registrations were rejected or not entered on the rolls in time to vote.

https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

[yellow dahlia]

37. I have been singing this same song, since November.

Does the Federal Elections Commission know? Reason for him trying to fire Ellen Weintraub?

[DavidDvorkin]

48. He is legitimate because the Electoral College voted for him

Thanks to the foolishness of the Founding Fathers, that is the official election, not the one on Election Day.

[MichMan]

49. For 4 years our elected Michigan Democratic women said our elections are safe and secure

Gretchen Whitmer, Dana Nessel, and Jocelyn Benson. All strong successful leaders

Now I'm expected to believe that they were wrong, and sat idly by while Republicans illegally purged voters and stole the election right under their nose with nary a peep.

[tritsofme]

50. That's one of the [many] things that make these Trumpian conspiracy theories so ridiculous.

The conspiracy mongers refuse to address this point in any meaningful way.

[Kaleva]

52. I find it hard to believe Whitmer, Nessel, and Benson...

were involved in a conspiracy to elect Trump or be so clueless that they couldn't see fraud .