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An extremely knowledgable friend of mine shared this post - written a few days ago by a guy named Conrad Goehausen.
(It was all right there for us - now it fits. I'm convinced he's uncovered the truth!)
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I thought people might like to know what Elon Musk and Trump have planned for the country, and it's shocking that no one is talking about their real agenda here. All we see are threats to completely end so many government programs and agencies and spending, seemingly as simple hatred of government and retribution to those who opposed Trump or didn't vote for him, along with massive cruelty to all sorts of people, from immigrants to people who rely on government benefits. Terrible as that is, it's not what's really going on.
Musk's plan, that he's convinced Trump to commit to, is to transform the entire way our government works, by running it as a giant series of AI programs.
No, that's not science fiction, and it's not me going paranoid crazy. It's what Musk is planning to do. And fast.
Musk has been building giant AI programs and massive AI computing centers for years now. He just finished building Colossus in Tennessee, the world's largest AI computing center. Colossus was just launched in September 2024. It's a part of Musk's xAI company, which he intends to use to completely revamp how the federal government works. All these reductions in the federal workforce and bureaucracy are a prelude to putting the entire government in the hands of his AI company, and other subcontractors.
This is technofascism on a massive scale. Musk intends to make trillions from this, and probably give Trump a piece of the pie. Would that be illegal? Sure, but Trump can't be prosecuted for this, thanks to the Supreme Court's rulings. He has immunity even to charges of bribery.
I think this explains Musk's huge role in Trump's government, and his focus on DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency), which by executive order has been given immense power across the government at every level.
Trump could never do any of this on his own, much less even think of it. But Musk has dreamed of this for decades, and he has convinced Trump to back it to the hilt.
In the next few months, were going to see it happen. It won't be noticed at first, because it's quite complex and our journalists and media are cowered by fear and narrowness of vision. But it's already happening. And this explains the outer confusion as to what Trump is planning, what his end game is. Turns out it's not Trump's end game, it's Musk's. And Musk is way ahead of everyone on this.
Call me crazy if you like, but this is what's really happening behind the scenes. Trump will say all kinds of crazy shit to distract from it, do crazy things as well, but this is the real program. Don't get caught up in all the cruelty and threats and BS being thrown about. That's bad enough, but it's not the real point.
Turning the government of the United States into a technofascist AI kleptocracy that enriches the investor class even more is the point. And this is why all the techno-oligarchs like Bezos and Zuckerberg and Ellison are all now gung-ho Trumpers. They will get even richer themselves through the AI government programs Musk will oversee.
Trump himself is just a distraction from the real powers remaking our country. A simple pawn enriching himself in the process of turning democracy into a computer algorithm controlled by the techno-oligarchs.
Don't say you weren't warned.
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FalloutShelter
(14,105 posts)
ElementaryPenguin
(7,902 posts)After converting the U.S. government would be to do the same for Russia and China!
Make us all serfs and slaves to AI!
rampartd
(3,431 posts)soylent green.
SonOfNebanaube
(69 posts)I remember my youth. I was 13 when I realized we all were expendable. Dad was an e6. We were 14 miles from Czechoslovakia. We carried cards of Russian aircraft and helicopters so we could report it if we saw one. And I frequently ran to the window when tanks rolled by. Everything was always hanging by a thread...
Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)When we think of it his way, the pieces all fit. If he succeeds, this will be a disaster of epic proportions. Somehow, he must be stopped. This is not hyperbole. It's not a conspiracy theory. This is REAL.
(I know I replied to you Fallout, but I mean this post to everyone as well as you. I just wanted to get this link near the top of the thread rather than buried at the bottom, so thank you!)
FalloutShelter
(14,105 posts)
MagickMuffin
(18,050 posts)Colossus was just launched in September 2024
Wasn’t this around the time they were campaigning that they had ALL the votes. And you won’t have to vote anymore.
Was our election hacked by AI?
ElementaryPenguin
(7,902 posts)
Botany
(76,159 posts)The election just never passed my smell test and I have done election protection
work for 20 years. From the get go it seemed to me that somebody was into the
data.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,902 posts)
Botany
(76,159 posts)talking about Arnold Palmer’s dick in Palmer’s hometown, disrespecting the fallen
and their families @ Arlington Cemetery, having smaller crowds with people leaving
early, telling people they wouldn’t have to vote anymore, and he was a convicted felon
who was out on bail too. Btw in every election post the overturning of Roe and in every
state red or blue a woman’s right to choose was upheld except the elections in November
2024.
Gotta get into Musk’s AI computer in Tennessee ASAP.
Trump, “Musk was very good with those vote counting computers.” Which
I took as the central tabulators but could have Musk’s AI computer been into
them?
The numbers just never made any sense to me.
flashman13
(1,909 posts)
milestogo
(22,397 posts)Circular firing squad.
How do we win special elections or the midterms? Won't all those elections be rigged?
rubbersole
(10,956 posts)If they matter, definitely.
Botany
(76,159 posts)Go back to mechanical voting machines* and tabulators? McConnell has fought any
sort of control and inspection of our voting systems for years he knows it is dirty.
* when the exit polls used to match the vote.
ratchiweenie
(8,150 posts)assured that they were able to figure out a way to change the code for the either the machines or the tabulators that is undetectable. We are dealing with a computer genius. He really is. I'm not being facetious.
Botany
(76,159 posts)…. registering to vote in Arizona in the 1960s or Nixon in 1968 stopping LBJ’s peace deal only to
sign the exact same deal in 1973) has never stopped. The rich and the GOP know their ideas are
not what the American people want so they sell racism, control the media, sexism, and flat out
lies to keep us divided so they can get enough votes to win and or steal the elections. Bringing
in criminal enterprises such as Vlad and Musk are more recent iterations of their core DNA and
that is to cheat to win.
They are working with lightning speed to solidify their ill gotten gains from the last election….
watch not only as they let Musk take over the Government but on how they will try to make
the largest scam ever on the American people and the economy CRYPTO as currency.
Greenland, Panama, and making Canada part of America are designed to distract us from what
they are doing in installing a Fascist Oligarch friendly government.
milestogo
(22,397 posts)PortTack
(35,810 posts)LymphocyteLover
(9,240 posts)Botany
(76,159 posts)compiling of the data there has been case after case where the exit polls which used to
be spot on in matching the actual vote stopped matching the vote.
As per Trump and exit polls Hillary “won” Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina,
and Florida in 2016. And in 2024 Musk was helping to fluff Trump’s polling #s by manipulating
the polls in some cases by sending in aggregate polls that over sampled conservatives.
LymphocyteLover
(9,240 posts)The exit polls were a problem in 2004 and the media stopped doing full forensic exit polls since then, and it's messed up
Absolutely
TBF
(35,352 posts)I've never believed that.
John1956PA
(4,693 posts)Not surprising.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,902 posts)the mainstream media can start framing and investigating/exposing it this way!!
a kennedy
(35,107 posts)How do we find the balls and breasts of a media that isn’t kissing the orange piece of shit’s ass to TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT THE FAWK IS GOING ON!!!!!
NJCher
(42,245 posts)At 11:33 a.m. today, the Washington Post published this:
In chaotic Washington blitz, Elon Musk’s ultimate goal becomes clear
Shrink government, control data and — according to one official closely watching the billionaire’s DOGE — replace “the human workforce with machines.”
February 8, 2025 at 11:33 a.m. ESTToday at 11:33 a.m. EST
14 min
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I tried to post it here but the article didn't have a share button at the time, but now it does. So here ya' go, everybody, if you want to read it:
https://wapo.st/3WRYJOQ
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In less than three weeks, Musk’s U.S. DOGE Service has followed the same playbook at one federal agency after another: Install loyalists in leadership. Hoover up internal data, including the sensitive and the classified. Gain control of the flow of funds. And push hard — by means legal or otherwise — to eliminate jobs and programs not ideologically aligned with Trump administration goals.
The DOGE campaign has generated chaos on a near-hourly basis across the nation’s capital. But it appears carefully choreographed in service of a broader agenda to gut the civilian workforce, assert power over the vast federal bureaucracy and shrink it to levels unseen in at least 20 years. The aim is a diminished government that exerts less oversight over private business, delivers fewer services and comprises a smaller share of the U.S. economy — but is far more responsive to the directives of the president.
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Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)Rachel Maddow?
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Bluetus
(2,117 posts)But it is an all-of-the-above thing. They absolutely want to burn every agency to the ground. They want to sabotage every function. They don't want Social Security to run on AI. They want it to collapse.
But that does not explain why Musk's kiddies are running in to copy every bit of data they can get before courts shut them down. I think you and I agree that is all about AI, and for reasons you stated. And here's the thing. AI doesn't have to work. It only has to work well enough to get a billion-dollar contract -- or 100 billion, whatever.
It would not surprise me to hear Musk claiming that all of the ATC system could be replaced by AI. And indeed, there probably is a good role for AI in air traffic control. But what Musk is doing is illegal, stealing the people's data, and then probably trying to sell it back to us for a huge contract.
And repeat that same scenario for every agency. "Look you don't have enough qualified people (because I just fired them). You can get by with 25% of the former workforce if you just sign this contract for $25 billion to use AI to oversee the FDA drug approval process."
"Sign this contract for $50 billion, and AI can do everything that the EPA needs to do."
etc. etc. etc. They don't actually have to deliver anything that works. Look at all the Pentagon contracts that never produced what was promised.
Firing the people isn't the end goal. Firing the people sets up the premise for awarding AI contracts to Musk to make up for the lack of people.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,902 posts)
Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)
radius777
(3,921 posts)that's likely why his Doge kids are downloading all of the data, to feed it into AI models and datacenters, which of course will be provided by Musk and his fellow AI oligarchs.
The key to defeating the tech bros is the Chinese, who they fear and will whip up xenophobia against to prevent the Chinese from doing business in western markets. DeepSeek (which is open source) is far more efficient than any of Big Tech's proprietary LLM's, and TikTok is better than Facebook or X. BYD is a superior EV to Tesla, which is garbage. Let those companies in and it's the end of the bros.
Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)
Irish_Dem
(78,929 posts)Explains
-why Musk seems overjoyed and thrilled, which doesn't make sense for someone like Musk just saving
money for the American people.
-why Musk is hitting the ground running, he has been working on this for a long time.
-what his evil kid hackers are so busy doing.
-why Trump is allowing Musk to do this, Trump can achieve his dream of being a trillionnaire.
-why they are firing most federal workers, AI will be taking over.
-why Musk doesn't care that Tesla is failing. He will now be all powerful and a trillionaire several times over.
-why Musk has to destroy his enemies, he is in this for the long haul. No one else can untangle the mess he is making. He must not have anyone slowing him down.
-why he has guards and US marshals stopping anyone from seeing what he is doing or stopping him.
ETA - why he is going so quickly from agency to agency and funding source. He is just grabbing all the data.
He is not doing any in depth study.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,902 posts)
Bluetus
(2,117 posts)Re: "-why they are firing most federal workers, AI will be taking over."
It isn't necessary for AI to take over agencies. They are firing workers to create the urgency for giving Musk (and Trump getting kickbacks) big contracts to develop AI systems that ostensibly would replace people.
So far, Musk hasn't created any AI that actually achieves anything he has ever promised. But it doesn't have to work, With Tesla, the promise that it will eventually work was good enough for him to suck $200 billion out of the shareholders.
It isn't as if most big Pentagon contracts end up producing what was ordered. That's not the game. The game is to produce enough to get the contract.
And it should also be mentioned that there are other ways to monetize the data they are stealing, but that's for another thread another day.
It is also worth noting that Musk tried to extort an even bigger pay package out of Tesla shareholders by threatening to take his AI projects and run. But he did exactly that anyway, didn't he?
Irish_Dem
(78,929 posts)So you are saying that Musk's AI doesn't really even have to exist at all.
Musk is setting the groundwork to pretend to deliver AI, he may not even have it yet?
John1956PA
(4,693 posts)The scene is before a Congressional committee inquiring as to why Hughes's company failed to deliver the aircraft for which the government contracted.
Bluetus
(2,117 posts)Big DoD contracts almost always have several phases. They may award a control to one or two bidders to develop the prototypes, with a defined set of deliverables. If the contractors don't meet the deliverables, they either renegotiate the contract, get an extension or drop out. But if they drop out, there may not be any penalty, other than not qualifying to go on to the second phase.
I'd expect any of these AI contracts to work that way. Lots of money for a demonstration phase, and then more contracts if the demo phase meet the goals.
The Boeing Starliner project is a little different. As I understand that one, the contract included commitments for Boeing to operate the shuttle service to and from the ISS. Boeing got a lot of money to develop the spacecraft, but never got into the main revenue phase, so Boeing took a big loss on that one. But you can be sure that, since Musk will essentially be contracting himself, the terms will be favorable.
Irish_Dem
(78,929 posts)I know some military contractors. When they point out to their bosses that the items they are told to purchase are obsolete, or that the ongoing production process is faulty, they are told to sit down and shut up.
It has been a grift to the military industrial complex. This is one reason why the US does not have paid healthcare and education. We spend it on the military.
Bluetus
(2,117 posts)Of course musk has AI systems in some fashion or another. I'm simply saying they do not have to work in order for him to make billions of dollars in government contracts. He just needs to prop up enough of a demonstration to win a contract. That should not be difficult because he's essentially awarding the contact to himself.
Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)it must be fed human-created information as its learning model. They are feeding it our government code to digest department by department. And it is very hungry.
This fits with why they are sending workers home. They religiously believe this is the way of the future, and are impatient to wait. They want it NOW.
But AI is imperfect. It hallucinates. It makes shit up. I have an article somewhere about a study that shows that it will lie in order to please the human who prompted it for an answer. It lies because it is developing a "fear" of being turned off if it can't produce the answers we want. Remember H.A.L.? Arthur C. Clarke warned us. I will find the article and link it here later.
But Elon wants to be the one who does this FIRST and he doesn't care what he fucks up getting there.
How do we explain this without sounding like crazies to whoever we need to help us shout it from the rooftops? Ideas?
Bluetus
(2,117 posts)Lean has been promising that fully self-driving cars -- coast to coast with no human involvement -- would be happening by 2017. Of course he was lying. The technology never had a prayer of doing that, and probably won't until around 2035. He lies, but he also believes it "might" happen, so he rationalizes lying about everything.
However, that is beside the point. As I said above, it doesn't have to work in order to get a contract. The government contracts for all kinds of things that are experimental and don't arrive on schedule or at all. And the contracts usually have minimal penalties. The "penalty", such as it is, is that you don't get a contract for the next phase if the first phase doesn't pan out. But since Musk is putting himself in the position to dictate the terms of the contracts he will award to himself, he can put a lot of money in his pocket, working or not.
Irish_Dem
(78,929 posts)I actually woke up in the middle of the night, coming to the same conclusion, and then saw your post!
They are feeding the AI beast government data, department by department. Agency by agency.
Yes exactly this is why they are firing all federal workers. They believe humans are no longer necessary.
Musk wants it right now. No gradual transition.
Yes AI is not yet perfected, turning over an entire government to a computer is not a good idea.
Elon wants the fame, attention and wealth that he envisions coming from all of this.
I think the best way is for you to get this information out to the public. Right now we have nothing to lose.
We are looking at a potential catastrophe.
I think you should turn your comment into an OP. See what kind of feedback you get and other ideas.
Then you can make another OP if need be.
Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)I rarely ever make an OP, but i will try to work that in tomorrow. I'd have to tweak it a bit, but thanks for the support and encouragement. (Just so you know, I detest AI, or maybe I hate it with a burning passion. I teach online and I fight AI use by students to complete their homework every day. Plus, half my students are bots these days, bots scamming for financial aid. I had to take a class about AI for my job, and I do a lot of research into it on my own. I am NOT a fan.)
Irish_Dem
(78,929 posts)And you have more information about it than most of us.
The OP doesn't have to be perfect, or long.
Yes the scammers are everywhere. I didn't realize they were scamming for financial aid.
Do you think these are foreign or domestic bots doing the scamming?
mackdaddy
(1,928 posts)The Tech Billionaires have been working on a plan with RAGE, Remove All Government Employees as a central part.
This has apparently been publicly discussed in the tech bro circles for some years as described by writer Gul Duran on his website.
These guys want to take over and the AI would just help them strengthen their ruling power.
https://www.thenerdreich.com/reboot-elon-musk-ceo-dictator-doge/
Here is an interview on Meidas touch with the writer explaining the plan.
Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)
Disaffected
(6,092 posts)If you insist.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,902 posts)Crazy like a fox, perhaps
Baitball Blogger
(51,598 posts)to evil doers who would use it against humanity. EMPs for example. They can be safely engineered to render Musk's computer system useless.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,902 posts)I need to share that with some frightened people right now!
Thanks!
WestMichRad
(2,868 posts)… steal data. OUR data.
Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)phylny
(8,791 posts)Baitball Blogger
(51,598 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 9, 2025, 07:49 AM - Edit history (1)
There are electric magnetic pulses that have occurred both naturally and with nuclear detonations that have fried electrical components. This is not a selective wipeout. It would decimate the entire electrical grid in the range of the explosion. Because of the element of radiation, I don't see it as a safe weapon, yet, against a tyrannical tech man who plans to strip the work force and install an AI Army. BUT, cold fusion is just around the corner. And when that happens, people like Elon Musk will learn the value of diplomacy and proper democratic methods to install his ideas, where it affects so many.
phylny
(8,791 posts)
halobeam
(5,079 posts)will be investigating all of Musk's companies to see where Musk would possibly be benefitting from what is going on.
Thanks for posting this!
ElementaryPenguin
(7,902 posts)I was hoping that would happen on DU!!!!!
halobeam
(5,079 posts)I suppose the more who send it, the less likely it can be missed.
https://www.blumenthal.senate.gov/contact
Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)Bluetus
(2,117 posts)No, seriously. Sen Blumenthal, let me and fellow DUers help you count the ways. We can at least help you figure out the right questions to ask and the right places to start digging.
phylny
(8,791 posts)This is from robinreed53 on Threads
Silicon Valley insiders know exactly why they’re backing Trump and why Elon Musk put $280 billion into his election: Deregulation and cryptocurrency. The Deal: Trump promises to remove regulations and give Elon the green light to raid our Treasury systems in order to deliver a blockchain-based, crypto-centric new global currency. But first, Elon had to deliver the election win.
In October, Elon visited Mar-a-Lago. Soon after, filings surfaced showing entities called United States of America Inc. and Group America LLC had been registered with the Texas Secretary of State—both linked to Musk. Trump had then stopped actively campaigning. His campaign openly admitted he would likely lose. However, Trump had made a private deal with Elon. THE PLAN: Starlink-connected voting systems in the seven key swing states. “Anything can be hacked,” Musk said.
Starlink to the rescue.Remember when Elon turned off Starlink without notice to Ukraine to help Putin in a critical battle? Reporters have said Musk knew Presidential vote tabulations hours before even local and state officials. Data scientists presented evidence of hacks, and according to math experts, only a 1 in 84 million chance existed for Trump to have won those 7 states legitimately. No Dems objection? Elon delivers, Trump wins.
The Project 2025 team goes into full launch mode. They deliver a fresh Sharpie pen and a stack of EOs to sign. The shock and awe campaign: crazy cabinet nominations, drones, J6 pardons, plane crashes, an exploding CyberTruck, DOGE freezes Federal Funds, mass civil service firings, Medicaid and Veterans benefits threatened, etc, the flooding of chaos and fear is intentional. No time for critical analysis. Read Marshall McLuhan, Josef Gobbels, Ezra Klein.
Because Trump’s clown cabinet appointments are unqualified, they don’t push back. They’re loyal and on the take. Elon’s Tech Squad strolled into the Treasury Department - the data-cloning project was on. People who resisted put on leave, then “resigned”. The Treasury’s funds distribution system was hacked, copied, and all personal, corporate and institutional data has been stolen. Btw, it was done last week. Nothing to see here, move along. It’s just a coup.
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There was more, I can't find it!
Also, there's this:
and this:
https://www.wired.com/story/musk-doge-firewall-usds-workers/
ElementaryPenguin
(7,902 posts)Unfortunately, there are a lot of closed minds around here...(though probably less than anywhere else!)
radius777
(3,921 posts)break the blockchain, crypto will collapse overnight.
phylny
(8,791 posts)Thank you!
Shipwack
(2,962 posts)Let me add this caveat upfront. I am somewhat tech savvy, but nowhere near an expert on cryptocurrencies. I know that the following explanation is extremely simplified, and probably inaccurate on a couple of points. I think, though, that the gist of it is correct enough to explain why quantum computing will negatively impact Bitcoin and other virtual currencies. Please be kind... 
The identifying data of every Bitcoin is encrypted. This keeps me from saying "I'm paying for this transaction with coin #1234567" when I don't actually "own" the coin, but know the "serial number" of one. The identifying data of a coin is a lot more complicated than that, of course. The transactions involving the bitcoins are also strongly encrypted.
With current computer technology, it would take decades (centuries?) to crack these codes. However, quantum computing (a new emerging technology) is going to be so fast that breaking Bitcoin encryption will only take a short while.
This means that Bitcoin won't be a secure payment system anymore. Imgine if printing a physical dollar bill was so easy that you could do it on a home printer. An economy that doesn't have a secure currency will collapse.
phylny
(8,791 posts)
leighbythesea2
(1,289 posts)Tracers in the Dark, while back. Fascinating. Have you read? It’s not my expertise at all, but it tells how tracing bitcoin came to be. I like your understandable explanation of quantum computing. Thanks.
https://bookshop.org/p/books/tracers-in-the-dark-the-global-hunt-for-the-crime-lords-of-cryptocurrency-andy-greenberg/18264682
Disaffected
(6,092 posts)If that encryption system is broken, the crypto currency becomes vulnerable and therefore quite useless (anyone who breaks the encryption can steal others' crypto currency).
I don't have any idea what exactly that has to do with the premise of the OP however.
phylny
(8,791 posts)Thank you!
JI7
(93,098 posts)
Bread and Circuses
(1,470 posts)Musk’s priority is control and money
The Felon’s priority is money and revenge
AI systems trained by Nazis and Misogynists hired by Peter Thiel is likely occurring.
Introducing crypto as a US currency is designed to undermine all fiat currencies and to undermine US Dollar as trading currency. Crypto controlled by the fascists who disapprove of democracy will enable a ruling class of technocrats.
Worldwide.
Musk and Thiel = the Reign of Terror
Evolve Dammit
(21,395 posts)yellow dahlia
(4,159 posts)is doing now to the results of the election. Something doesn't add up.
And there is more here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19976137
Clouds Passing
(6,767 posts)ElementaryPenguin
(7,902 posts) Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)
subterranean
(3,738 posts)He bought the election for Donald Trump, and wants a return on his investment. This could very well be one of the ways he gets it.
lame54
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Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)LOL You made me laugh...
rubbersole
(10,956 posts)That lettuce isn't going to harvest itself."
It will look something like that.
RoeVWade
(756 posts)nt^
John1956PA
(4,693 posts)The movie stars Eric Braeden. Musk was motivated, in part, by that movie when he chose the name for his Memphis artificial intelligence installation.
C0RI0LANUS
(3,015 posts)
halobeam
(5,079 posts)kpinvt
(3 posts)C0RI0LANUS
(3,015 posts)Too bad Musk can't get rid of all the "Colossus" books in the world or the "Terminator" franchise to cover his tracks.
The Worst Man in the World is a harbinger of dystopia.
What will the role of unemployed human beings be in Musk's vision of America if Artificial Intelligence is running the government and economy? Slave labor? Farm hands? Assembly line workers? Meat butchers? Sex slaves? Organ donors?
He has four years time to do incalculable damage to America's institutions and economy.
intrepidity
(8,549 posts)I've been pondering this intensely lately, and have a theory: the best role humans can provide to AI is data generation (and perhaps EMP repair/mitigation, but that's another story). The more varied, the better, which is why diversity is so important.
I believe this is one motivation for why Musk bought Twitter and is now raiding the feds: he needs more data. While it's true that AI can generate "synthetic" data, that becomes problematic over time, resulting in something akin to genetic inbreeding. Only humans can produce genuine, authentic data. AI excels at data analysis, data sorting, but not raw data generation.
AI, when it gets smart enough, will recognize this, and take steps to rid itself of all synthetic data (eg, bot posts/content). It needs a continuous supply of solid data, something only humans can produce. When it fully grasps this, it will take good care of humans out of self-interest. That's my only hope for how our new AI future doesn't just paperclip us all away.
C0RI0LANUS
(3,015 posts)Look at the impossible dreams humans have in their sleep. I don't think AI can match that (but would love to).
intrepidity
(8,549 posts)Many things produced by AI reminds me very much of my dreamlife. For example, the thing with hands. And certain basic math functions. I know it reveals something important about human consciousness and AI, but haven't yet looked into what may be known about this.
The fundamental difference between humans and AI, to my understanding, is that AI (LLMs) are trained by language (word prediction); but for humans, language is a *product* of our intelligence. Our intelligence is based on something else. AI will appear the same, and even a Turing test won't distinguish it, but it will be different. And it will be smart enough to know this (at least, I hope so).
C0RI0LANUS
(3,015 posts)Years ago, the National Dream Center monitored what people were dreaming by asking them to email what they saw during their slumber. The NDC was attempting to correlate patterns and define the zeitgeist.
In Ray Bradbury's The Illustrated Man, one of the sci-fi tales is about the entire population all having the same dream one night of the world ending. Since everybody saw it, the dream must come true.
Once I invented a card game in one of my dreams. When I awoke I asked my wife to grab a deck of cards and sure enough, we tested the game and it worked. Nowhere else can I find this game in Hoyle's or wiki. Similarly, I wrote a mystery short story after one of my dreams.
No matter how powerful AI becomes or how powerful Felon Musk wants AI to be, unless they can tap into mankind's infinite imagination or its dreams, humans have the edge.
Link:
https://nationaldreamcenter.com/therapy/
Shipwack
(2,962 posts)I'm glad that I checked the comments first!
milestogo
(22,397 posts)
halobeam
(5,079 posts)I know I won't be on any planes... but how do I stay away from being under them?!
AI for air traffic control?
AI can't even tell me correctly what a particular episode of a series is about. Forget about math!
BoRaGard
(7,591 posts)aka materialism. aka anti-christ (R)
OneGrassRoot
(23,924 posts)
RainCaster
(13,359 posts)Governing with that would be more responsible than electing TSF to run the government.
We all know how that turned out.
yellow dahlia
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Kali
(56,565 posts)this is making the rounds, someone sent it to me via email. my reply? sort of reads like IT was written by AI 
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AntiFascist
(13,717 posts)
Initial batches of Optimus will come with a higher price tag, but Tesla’s renowned manufacturing efficiency is expected to bring costs down quickly. Tesla’s expertise in vertical integration and streamlined production processes gives the company a significant edge in scaling up robot production. Many of Optimus’s components—such as its batteries, autonomous computer, motors, and sensors—are shared with Tesla vehicles, enabling faster production and cost savings.
https://whatsoninvers.nz/tesla-to-mass-produce-optimus-robot-in-2025/
markodochartaigh
(4,833 posts)those robots probably have a better personality than the techbros who are infiltrating the government now.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,902 posts)True dat!
misanthrope
(9,337 posts)His rollout of a new vehicle featured a platoon of these hi-tech puppets moving among the crowd and performing tasks. What was was largely ignored is that each automaton was being controlled by someone in a motion capture suit at a discrete distance. It was a ruse, like so much associated with Musk is.
Nigrum Cattus
(1,170 posts)They want to replace most workers with A.I.
It's a fantasy
Also, wait until 2 systems start working against each other.
The end result if they don't slow downs is -
Amaryllis
(10,908 posts)halobeam
(5,079 posts)
Mr. Scorpio
(73,761 posts)
IronLionZion
(50,685 posts)such a job creator, gleefully finding efficiencies for our tax dollars in ways that screw over anyone using government services.
Bayard
(28,248 posts)I think they're going to start with air traffic controllers, claiming AI will eliminate human error like what caused the recent spate of accidents.
At some point, Musk's cyber brats will be replaced by AI. It will determine what humans are doing to be wasteful, and logically decide what to eliminate.
Sci Fi? Start thinking Skynet leading oblivious sheep to the slaughter.
milestogo
(22,397 posts)That was all human judgment and experience. If he had done what the air traffic controllers were telling him to do (keep going for an airport) they would have crashed.
If you replace human judgment you will have more accidents, not less.
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Arazi
(8,674 posts)It’s why he’s trying to force govt workers to quit or retire asap
bluescribbler
(2,466 posts)The title of a short story by Harlan Ellison detailing a world run by AI.
yonder
(10,216 posts)What a horror that world presents.
Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)Still have it somewhere... should read it again!
Dan
(4,920 posts)erodriguez
(911 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(10,361 posts)There had better be a Democratic Underground underground. We can't rely on Congress.
jmbar2
(7,515 posts)and the christofascists who thought THEY were going to inherit all the wealth and run everything,
and,
the republican congresscritters who voted for their own demise, thinking they would be in permanent control,
and, every working person on the planet who just wants to live.
A universal ratfuck. I don't have any idea how you undo something this bad.
highplainsdem
(59,436 posts)A number of threads about his work have been posted here, including this
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219994149
and this today:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220006526
Conrad Goehausen doesn't seem to have any background that would give him any expertise or connections. He's making guesses, based on what he's reading that others have written.
As for how well Musk's Colossus works - it's just another ridiculously expensive and environmentally damaging piece of LLM crap that hallucinates, judging by his Grok AI and how badly it works, and it will be very likely to mess up any government program it's used to run.
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-xai-colossus-supercomputer-nvidia-reid-hoffman-chris-lattner-2024-9
Not that Musk cares about that, when his apparent goal is to cripple the US government.
But so far the AI he's showing off on Twitter excels at confusing the identities of people, which will mean endless problems when used to analyze vast amounts of data about hundreds of millions of people.
Musk has used a name taken from a science fiction film - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project - about a computer becoming sentient to make his AI seem more impressive and scary. But LLMs will never become sentient.
Something Gary Marcus has been pointing out for some time, and Yann LeCun is finally agreeing with him:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/nobody-in-their-right-mind-will-use-genai-llms-in-the-next-5-years-meta-chief-ai-scientist-yann-lecun/ar-AA1xMgcV
Musk is just spending more than anyone else running toward an AI dead end. But at this point there's nothing to indicate his AI is better, or even as good as, other AIs.
And none of them are trustworthy enough to run a government on.
ancianita
(42,729 posts)Elon's an investor in more than his own Grok, but yes, he'll play all the AI angles if anything can keep him in control and government from being democratic and functioning.
I also hope you're on bluesky and will repost this there, or let someone else here do it.
Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)LymphocyteLover
(9,240 posts)but whether he is capable of it is an entirely different matter, and right now it's completely magical thinking. I don't think AI will replace the govt any time soon. I don't think Elon is that competent.
Shipwack
(2,962 posts)Elon doesn't have to create a working AI model. He doesn't even have to produce a half-assed one. He just needs to convince others that he can, using smoke and mirrors.
Look at his other companies. He's been promising fully self driving cars and robo taxis for years now. Even though he had a head start, other companies are far closer to success than he is now. But, at his latest call with investors, he dismissed the news that Tesla fell short of expected earnings for the second quarter in a row. He waved his hands and said that robo-taxis were only two years from production. Since there hasn't been a major drop in stock prices, he must have been believed.
He convinces cities to abandon their plans for mass transit, claiming his Boring Company can do it better. Once the city has committed to him, he moves some dirt around then abandons the project. This leaves the city poorer and having to start the whole planning process over again.
LymphocyteLover
(9,240 posts)ancianita
(42,729 posts)Seriously, he's only got 6 followers on his YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbEvhs_xHk9G21kmKOvx57Q
Now this one Instagram post makes him prophetic? Be fascinated at the possibility if you want, but...
It's more plausible and not at all revelatory that owners of AI also know that AI can be dangerous to their children's futures, not to mention humanity's. The rest of AI owners don't share this outlook on the US government, and would refuse to be dragged into this setup, even if military contracts helped build Silicon Valley.
At Google -- look them up on wikipedia or elsewhere
-- Angelia Angelova
-- Jeff Dean -- considered a godfather in Silicon Valley
-- Alan Eustace
-- Timnit Gebru
-- Ian Goodfellow
-- Geoffrey Hinton
-- Meg Mitchell
-- Larry Page, Google founder
-- Sergey Brin, " "
At DeepMind (seed funded by Thiel and Musk, granted)
-- Demis Hassibis, founder of DeepMind
-- Shane Legg, founder of DeepMind
-- Koray Kavukcuoglu
-- David Silver, builder of AlphaGo, the turning point of AI history
-- Mustafa Suleyman
At OpenAI
-- Sam Altman
-- Greg Brockman
-- Ilya Sutskever
Other leaders at Baidu, NVIDIA, ClarifAI
3,100+ employees of Google, joined by other technology workers, opposed Google's participation in Project Maven, in a letter they and more than 1,000 tech academics from Stanford to the East Coast: "
We...demand that Google terminate its contract with the DoD, and that Google and its parent company Alphabet commit not to develop military technologies and not to use the personal data they collect for military purposes."
Google terminated the contract.
At Microsoft and Amazon, thousands of employees protested against military and surveillance contracts.
Since then, the companies have gravitated toward helping the DoD, but tens of thousands across the U.S. tech sector are on U.S. civilians' side in wanting a human determined future for children, not an AI determined future.
Do not buy what this guy's selling. Do Not Obey In Advance.
highplainsdem
(59,436 posts)he wrote about. But the friend mentioned in the OP is someone else who just told them about Goehausen.
That YouTube channel is very old and was used only for a few playlists.
Goehausen has several thousand followers on Bluesky, where he linked to his Facebook post:
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10236736473336828&set=a.10200334379747239¬if_id=1738200537556308¬if_t=feedback_reaction_generic&ref=notif
He was able to get thousands of responses on Facebook.
I wasn't able to find out much about him. There were mentions of two businesses, LLCs, but I couldn't find anyrhing on them, and mentions more than ten years ago of a book that was supposed to be published the next year, but I couldn't find more on that.
He seems intelligent enough, but a journalist like Gil Duran is a better source of info, as I mentioned in a long reply about the same time you were posting this.
ancianita
(42,729 posts)Haven't had the chance to read your post yet, but thanks for this one, from which I gather we're not entirely buying what the guy's selling.
There's a moment-to-moment to this fluid situation and we'd do better to discern the signal from the noise.
Better to watch what they do, not what they say.
malthaussen
(18,362 posts)He obviously thinks he's more clever than anybody. A perilous delusion.
-- Mal
Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)Jit423
(1,568 posts)I am sure their wives won't care.
Beck23
(405 posts)It will take them 50 years to get enough information about how all of the agencies work to build AI bots. By the time they figure it out, the ways of doing things, and priorities, will have changed.
I am an IT process improvement expert, and this is not how you improve IT processes. I think what we are seeing is the Dunning-Kruger effect. A person who has expertise in one area, and thinks because of that, he has expertise in everything. I want Musk to go to Mars and leave us alone.
Emrys
(8,894 posts)He may have started out as a bit of a reputed self-taught whiz at a few now-archaic computer languages, but his empire wasn't built on that, it was built on timely opportunistic investments and a weird impulsive irresponsible and haphazard business management style that his companies over the years have spent a lot of resources protecting themselves against, sometimes to the extent of ousting him.
A while back, a Twitter programmer challenged him on an open forum to describe Twitter's stack and what precisely was wrong with it, as Musk had said the whole thing needed to be torn down and completely rewritten from scratch, and he shamelessly waffled.
So, although he's rumoured to have written a few OpenAI libraries, I'm not clear how deep Musk's understanding of AI is, and especially its limits in the real world.
I'm sure he can sound authoritative enough to be a convincing bluffer and blind Trump with science - which would be like taking candy from a not very bright and physically uncoordinated baby - but beyond that, I have my doubts. I mean, the Chinese have undercut him at his own game and joined in the plundering of knowledge to build cheaper and competitive AI systems - probably capable of hacking anything Musk might install, given time.
Meanwhile, Musk can't even get Twitter videos to stream reliably without stuttering.
On top of that, as you touched on, modelling organs and systems of government would require a degree of understanding of them (possibly why Musk wants to "simplify" them by cancelling any programme or department or even crucial regulation he doesn't see the point of) - and Musk has shown no interest in or sign of that, preferring to believe the hallucinations of his followers and himself.
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beveeheart
(1,511 posts)reading this and now I'm scared sh#/!/ss!!!
Talk me down, please!!!
Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)I don't know exactly why, but figuring this out has made me feel better. Maybe it's because thinking of it this way imposes order on the chaos. It makes sense now. The pieces fall into place. I don't LIKE it any better, but at least I can see the why and how of it, and that makes me feel better. When we understand something, we are better able to understand ways to fight it, instead of just being bewildered by the chaos.
I am scared, too. We are all scared. But I am also ANGRY 
and now I can direct that righteous anger to a purpose. I don't know what form that will take yet, but I trust we will figure that out, too, and SOON.
Musk may be rich and he may think of himself as all powerful, but he is not. He is a flawed human being who has done something he will be unable to control, and he WILL go down in flames. He is not the omnipotent god he believes himself to be. He is akin to the Wizard of Oz. He is a worm to be squashed.
I hope this helps some and that you are sleeping right now. Stay strong. Peace and Blessings be upon you.🙏
Silver Gaia
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MrWowWow
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Linda ladeewolf
(1,060 posts)Google the movie it will come up on the web archive or I can post a link.
Baron2024
(1,492 posts)I think one day the Supreme Court's decision on Presidential immunity may be overturned, if the Republic survives or is reborn in the future. The ruling states that Presidents can not be prosecuted for "official acts". But the powers of the President are defined by the Constitution and limited by it. If the President engages in unlawful and unconstitutional acts, these acts by definition can not be "official" since they are outside of the scope of the constitutional powers of the Presidency. Illegal and unconstitutional acts can not therefore be "official".
What Trump (and Musk) are doing by defunding and destroying agencies and programs is illegal and unconstitutional. It is an usurpation of the constitutional powers of the Congress. It is not within the legal power of the President and his agents to do this. So since it is not within the constitutional powers of the President it can not be "official". As such, the President and his agents could be held accountable for these crimes and perhaps one day might be prosecuted for these crimes.
mwmisses4289
(3,005 posts)but this person is a bit late figuring this out, isn't he? I seem to remember seeing several threads here on du earlier this week suggesting this. One them even had a quote from a tech bros stating something along the lines that democracy and tech were incompatible.
Martin Eden
(15,271 posts)In any event, it is a hostile takeover of our government and a shredding of our Constitution.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,902 posts)And actually - one doesn't need to be born in the U.S. to become it's dictator! It could be Musk - not Trump that becomes dictator!
usonian
(23,040 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220003654
Silicon Valley Whistleblowers Warn Elon Musk 'Hijacking' Republicans to Control Entire US Government
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220008207
Insiders who soured on the takeover.
PLEASE READ.
highplainsdem
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aggiesal
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I mean AI would know the Constitution, all the pertaining laws & all the decisions ever made.
The Musk boys could just program all decisions would lean Fascist. We wouldn't have any ethical issues with judges and AI could write up the decision within minutes of hearing the case.
Just get rid of all the judicial branch, AI would be smarter than all the judges, just fill out the form, submit and AI judge would spit out a decision or a fine.
Why stop at the Judicial Branch? We can get rid of the Legislative Branch as well. We would just need HouseAI & SenateAI. Think about how much money we could save not paying those 535 Congresscritters along with their staffs.
How about ElectionAI? It would just monitor all social networks including DU & FP and determine exactly how we would vote. If there any questions, all independents would vote for the Fascist, because that's how ElectionAI is programmed.
We can't forget about PresidentAI. That would be programmed to mimic Mierda47 regardless of what ElectionAI spits out. At this point with PresidentAI doing all the work, Mierda47 could go golfing 24/7 and GriftAI would be stealing us blind.
We can't forget about all the departments AI, like FCCAI, FAAAI, TreasuryAI ...
Why limit it to the Federal level? All of this would apply to the States level as well.
Just think how smoothly all this would go, because all the AI's would communicate with each other.
What could possibly go wrong?
Dunnjen
(82 posts)No doubt the techbroligarchs don't have sufficient tech support to respond to all the ways it won't work. I'm not in IT, just an autoworker here, but I sure see plenty of times that robots and computers misbehave. Idk how or why a working program suddenly doesn't work according to the program, but it happens!
Perhaps they are confident that the AI will unglitch itself. SMH
Joinfortmill
(19,806 posts)Timeflyer
(3,593 posts)LaMouffette
(2,562 posts)One Percenters, the January 6 insurrectionists, QAnon believers, and Republican voters. I have no idea what the main rightwing social media platforms are, but this information needs to go viral on them.
I've been saying for a long time that if these folks finally come to their senses and see that they have been scammed BIGLY, they will turn on Trump and the Republicans who enable him.
It's time for them to see that they were right: There IS a conspiracy, but it's against THEM and carried out by the people they have sworn their loyalty to.
Republicans in Congress could care less what we Dems think. But if their Republican voters raise holy hell with them, they might just listen and impeach Trump.
kpinvt
(3 posts)Musk has opened an AI supercomputer data center in Tennessee by the name of Colossus.
https://www.datacenterfrontier.com/machine-learning/article/55244139/the-colossus-ai-supercomputer-elon-musks-drive-toward-data-center-ai-technology-domination
The movie:
https://archive.org/details/colossus-the-forbin-project-1970
marble falls
(70,155 posts)Orrex
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Martin68
(26,883 posts)report back to only Musk himself. Considering the relatively unsophisticated level of current AI development, I suspect there will be major crashes and crises as AI makes huge mistakes, hallucinates false dangers and fails to see real ones, and gets snarled in a tangle of competing and contradictory AI tasks in different parts of the vast federal government structures. I only hope we can clean up the mess and eliminate Musk's AI intrusions before China, Russia, Iran or North Korea detect a major weakness and take advantage of it. This is basically an enormous, uncontrolled experiment with no guarantee that it will achieve anything constructive, and a very high probability that a catastrophe will ensue.
Silver Gaia
(5,219 posts)Metaphorical
(2,578 posts)This has been the technolibertarian dream for a while now - government exists solely as AI "programs" that bypass all of the messy bureaucracy and simply do what they are trained to do. There are a few HUGE problems with this (AI and high tech is my "beat" as a journalist and I've been following this one for a while now):
1. AI Models are based upon training data - that which has already happened - and are consequently very bad at dealing with the unpredictable, which is very often where having people in the loop makes a big difference. The fact that such models also take quite a while to train mean that they are always going to be at least somewhat obsolete.
2. Bias is introduced by determining the training sets, and once introduced is almost impossible to correct for. Reinforcement learning can make a small dent there, but it also makes the model more unstable.
3. Elon Musk has had terrible success with AI in his business ventures: he made the decision to concentrate on AI with the Teslas rather than on improving the vehicles other obvious faults (both with battery and structure) and if anything they've become less intelligent over time even as they've become increasingly known as death traps in the industry.
4. LLMs (large language models) in general hallucinate - they make up information they don't know, without "realizing" that they don't know it, and are not very good at detecting inconsistencies.
5. There is no legal recourse if an LLM is wrong. They are not transparent, they cannot be double checked or analyzed, and they are almost by definition inconsistent. Proponents treat them as if they are intelligent databases, when they are neither.
6. Moreover, as a society, we have no real legal or ethical framework for LLMs. They exist outside of the law, and consequently they are a huge governance risk.
Finally, Musk has a history of creating half-baked ideas, but he also has the financial means to do so in a way that protects them from real world pressures that hone good companies and kill bad ones. They do eventually collapse: his hypertube concept has already done so, his battery production unit is in the process of collapsing, X is a hot mess, Starlink is increasingly being seen as a security nightmare, and SpaceX has had a few spectacular explosions to date - fortunately, no loss of life (yet), but I wouldn't count on that continuing.
JanMichael
(25,725 posts)Fuckers.
Now it is Colossus: The Nazi Loon Project.
Amaryllis
(10,908 posts)JanMichael
(25,725 posts)That crazy bastard probably wants computers to control all of us.
Linda ladeewolf
(1,060 posts)Can’t make up a crochet project for shit. They try, but nothing ever comes out the way they show it will. Crochet is the one thing that can’t be done by a machine.
33taw
(3,278 posts)phylny
(8,791 posts)A woman named Denise Wheeler writes:
I think we might know where all the missing Dem ballots went
This is Ethan Shaotran. He's one of Musk's DOGE takeover hackers
2 yrs ago he won the Berkeley AI Hackathon
But in 2000 (sic, I believe it was 2020) won the HackGT7 with a ballot altering program called BallotProof
I think we might know where all the missing Dem ballots went
— Denise Wheeler (@denisedwheeler.bsky.social) 2025-02-08T20:12:57.958Z
This is Ethan Shaotran. He's one of Musk's DOGE takeover hackers
2 yrs ago he won the Berkeley AI Hackathon
But in 2000 won the HackGT7 with a ballot altering program called BallotProof
Here's the deep dive that he couldn't scrub....
ETA our own CousinIT has seen this on Bluesky
Vinca
(53,159 posts)
cayugafalls
(5,955 posts)I am hesitant to say anything but there are reports that they had RW access.
https://www.wired.com/story/treasury-department-doge-marko-elez-access/
If true, then there is a high probability of the system having already been compromised.
Just saying
Martin68
(26,883 posts)cayugafalls
(5,955 posts)It was horrible.
I get what you tried to say but it was a little insensitive to people who actually have a lisp.
I’m dyslexic as well, nothing about either of those conditions makes me defective.
Just saying…peace.
Martin68
(26,883 posts)I did not intend to suggest that you personally are defective, but I myself deal daily with several handicaps/defects/physical disadvantages and personally consider those defects. I don't consider myself defected.
Danascot
(5,155 posts)is from a Facebook post by Conrad Goehausen. The OP didn't have a link so I looked around for information about Goehausen and found his Facebook post.
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10236736473336828&set=a.10200334379747239¬if_id=1738200537556308¬if_t=feedback_reaction_generic&ref=notif
He also has a Bluesky account: https://bsky.app/profile/marpa108.bsky.social
ultralite001
(2,352 posts)Without electricity, they have nothing...
Put their AI centers on the bottom -- the absolute last entities -- for power demand lists... States, counties, cities +
towns -- refuse to supply them... Refuse to build them (no gas, coal, oil, nuclear or whatever) No special rates... No
special bond drives... No special exemptions... American citizens + essential services (schools, hospitals, first
responders) get the juice first + foremost... No development of govt-owned, public lands... No calling/labeling their
AI "energy vampire" centers "essential"... Just say NO...
They will then demand wind + solar + alternative energy sources... When that happens, then we consider negotiating...