Trump Enrages Christian MAGA By Naming 'Heretic' Pastor to White House

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

President Donald Trump angered some of his Christian supporters on Friday when he named a televangelist who even some conservative evangelicals have labeled a “heretic” as part of his White House administration.

The president signed an executive order establishing a White House Faith Office and chose Pastor Paula White-Cain, his ally and spiritual advisor, to lead it.

White-Cain, 58, is a megachurch preacher from Florida who has endorsed biblical interpretations that some evangelical Christians believe go too far.

She is a proponent of “prosperity theology,” which teaches that God rewards the truly faithful with material wealth and personal success.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-enrages-christian-maga-naming-224833273.html

[Jit423]

1. They are all fake Christians. Anyone who follows and supports Trump is just plain fake. nt

[JoseBalow]

8. They are all real Christians. There are no "fake" Christians.

"Fake Christians" are what other Christians call Christians they don't agree with. But they are ALL part of the same club Jesus as the rest of them, and it doesn't take much to join.

[Abolishinist]

9. Thank you.

[Stuckinthebush]

10. Well said

They are all Christians

[stopdiggin]

14. True. But I think you have to allow - that some criticism (and distinctions) are greatly more important

then others. - - - - - - - - - - - -

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[harumph]

15. There are liberal Jews and orthodox Jews, and their respective political ideologies are typically very different...

So I guess you would say it doesn't matter because they're all Jews. Correct? So how people interpret and
follow their chosen beliefs doesn't matter. They're just x, y and z. Brilliant.

[Mariana]

19. Would you tell either liberal Jews or orthodox Jews that they're fake Jews?

They are all fake Christians.

is what Jit423 said.

[harumph]

22. The point I was making, that JoseBalow (next post) makes a poor argument.

I was not responding to Jit423

[canetoad]

55. I'm going to butt in here

I have read theology and philosophy. I have a better understanding of the history of orthodox religions that most Americans. Given that knowledge, I'm more than entitled to call these 'prosperity Gospel' christians - absolutely fake.

[intheflow]

21. No, they are fake Christians.

Being Christian means following Christ’s teachings. Jesus is the Christ, according to all Christians. The problem is, Jesus was very clear about who he stood for and how to get to heaven. The prosperity gospel is the absolute opposite of Jesus’ teachings. The opposite of Christ’s teachings. They are fake through and through.

Consider the Venn diagram of conservative “Christians” and white supremacists who call themselves “patriots.” The overlapping hypocrisy is clear. People can believe whatever they want, but that doesn’t make their beliefs true.

[Gore1FL]

27. I submit no one is a Christian by that definition. nt

[intheflow]

34. Quakers. United Church of Christ.

Social justice and disaster relief/recovery ministries of the Catholic Church, and many denominations of Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Mennonites, Metropolitan churches, and American Baptists like Jimmy Carter. There are a lot of denominations and individual congregations trying to live as Jesus instructed them.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/

[Gore1FL]

37. Are they plucking their right eye out when it causes them to sin?

If not, they aren't following Jesus' teachings.

No one follows all of Jesus' teachings. Hence, by the definition provided, no one can be a true Christian.

[intheflow]

38. No, because they understand that Jesus talked using metaphors, hyperbole,

he wasn’t speaking literally. What he’s saying, if you look at the entire passage, is not to throw the baby out with the bath water. Sorry, that’s another metaphor and you seem metaphorically-challenged. Let me rephrase: when you catch yourself doing something shitty, stop doing the shitty thing, but keep the good parts of yourself.

Also a bogus argument because no one takes this passage literally, not even biblical literalists and flat earthers. So, what are you babbling about? Meanwhile, he expressly spoke in plain terms about treating the least among us as if they were treating him. That’s the false Christian part, ignoring Jesus’ message of acceptance and love in favor of their equally stupid interpretations of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) to justify their cruelty.

I’m sorry you seem to have been hurt by Christianity. And also, I’m an atheist who doesn’t think we need to throw the baby out with the bath water because some adherents got the core message wrong.

[Gore1FL]

39. Who gets to nbne the arbiter, then, of who is the realest Chrtistian?

All of it is a cherry-picked cafeteria-style expectation of behavior.

I'm not hurt by Christianity. I think it is a backward myth, but I am not personally hurt by it.

There sure are a lot of people who have been, are, and will be hurt by religion in all of it's forms, including the religion of the True Scotsman.

[WheelWalker]

54. I think Jimmy & Rosalyn Carter count as Christians by the strictest definition. Don't you?

[Gore1FL]

66. That no one can meet the strictest definition of Christianity is exactly my point. nt

[travelingthrulife]

28. All you have to do is proclaim you've been saved.

Worst cult ever.

[Wiz Imp]

31. Nope. Fake Christians are people who call themselves Christians but do not follow

the teachings of Christ. Those are the people that support Trump. Real Christians are people who actually do follow the teachings of Christ. These people would never support Trump as he is totally antithetical to Christ's teaching and most are extremely angry at the Fake Christians who have co-opted the word.

It not only fair, but at this point rather necessary to make the distinction between the 2 groups. Anybody who lumps them all together is being ignorant of reality.

[Gore1FL]

40. Who gets to decide which teaching of Christ are worthy of being followed and how they are interpreted?

"True Christian" is a fluid defintion.

[Wiz Imp]

45. 🙄😒

[Gore1FL]

46. Exactly! When everyone is best-friends with the supreme superbeing, everyone gets to decide!

It's a dangerous delusion, no matter what side claims it.

[JoseBalow]

42. Thank you for proving my point

[Wiz Imp]

44. 🙄😒

[canetoad]

56. You're wrong there Jose

There are still adherent of religion who actively follow the ascribed teaching of Christ.

Then there are those who incrementally alter interpretation of the historical documentation to make it appear to represent the polar opposite.

And I add, I am a person of NO religion. Unfortunately, present times have allowed much bastardized versions of the original 'christan' (christ like) beliefs to take hold as self-serving 'proofs' that they can interpret and carry out abominations and call them 'sanctified' in some way.

[radical noodle]

59. Okay, how's this?

There are Christians that actually follow the teachings of the Christ they believe in (as told in the New Testament) and there are those who don't.

[Crunchy Frog]

63. They're real Christians who follow doctrine that can be found nowhere in Christian scriptures.

[Mariana]

18. Christianity is as Christianity does.

63% of Protestant voters and 59% of Catholic voters cast their ballots for Trump, according to the exit polls. He represents Christianity as it is currently practiced in the US.

[pdxflyboy]

2. Trump is The AntiChrist.

He can do whatever he wants to do.

[wcmagumba]

3. T-rump is not the anti-christ, he is only a minor demon...Musk, on the other hand....

[pdxflyboy]

7. K & R

n/t

[Girard442]

4. A politician throws their support to one set of believers causing other believers to become angry.

I mean, could anyone have seen this coming?!

[travelingthrulife]

29. Plus she was his choice last time around as well.

Again, the cult members can't see what's in front of their faces.

[RockRaven]

5. She is an extraordinarily grifty mammon worshipper...

But every self-styled Christian who follows TCF is a hypocrite and heretic.

[DET]

6. This is the wingnut...

…who speaks in tongues. And it’s so clearly fake that it’s incredible that even the stupidest Christofascist buys it.

[Abolishinist]

12. Was not aware of her, nor her speaking skills.

And I don't want to start an argument with anyone, but I don't think she's as good at this as a few others I've seen. YMMV.

[DET]

16. One of my favorite comments on this...

I didn't know the language of the angels sounded like a Jamaican rapper on tour with Shabba Ranks.

[Norrrm]

48. Speaking in tongues but at the right time.

[Abolishinist]

50. How funny, and so true!

These people are weird.

[hatrack]

11. They're "outraged"??!!??!! Heretical beliefs? Anti-Biblical conduct? Is that it?

[struggle4progress]

13. Here's a song of Woody's

And lo! one came, and said to him, Good master, what good shall I do, that I have everlasting life?

Which saith to him, What askest thou me of good thing? There is one good God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

He saith to him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not do manslaying, thou shalt not do adultery, thou shalt not do theft, thou shalt not say false witnessing; worship thy father and thy mother, and, thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The young man saith to him, I have kept all these things from my youth, what yet faileth to me?

Jesus saith to him, If thou wilt be perfect, go, and sell all things that thou hast, and give to poor men, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven; and come, and follow me.

And when the young man had heard these words, he went away sorrowful, for he had many possessions.

Matthew 19

[Mariana]

17. She was his "spiritual adviser" during his last term, so why are they squawking now?

They had no reason to suppose he would pick someone else.

[yardwork]

23. This. She's been his spiritual advisor for years.

[Mariana]

24. I suspect that very few of his Christian supporters are actually bothered by it.

The headline makes it sound like it's a widespread sentiment, but I don't believe it is.

[yardwork]

25. Very little is actually bothering them right now.

Despite the headlines, I don't think too many Trump voters are very worried right now.

[bdjhawk]

20. Many of them would think it would be ok

If the exact same words, “tongues “, actions, etc were coming from a man. Rump is going against the basic rules of male domination that they and he he certainly believe in. Women who parrot their script are ok.

[MiHale]

26. Because when MONEY is GOD...

Everything else they do and say makes more sense.

[travelingthrulife]

30. Ooh! Maybe we can burn the heretic!

These people want the Middle Ages back so badly. Musk will take us there.

[Tennessee Hillbilly]

32. There has only been one true christian ...

and we crucified him.

(Quote source -- unknown)

[Norrrm]

49. Yet Jesus was an observant Jew his entire life.

[Ping Tung]

33. The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum. Tom Paine

[Emile]

35. One thing for certain, Christians are all judgemental.

[Crunchy Frog]

64. I don't think you could say that about Jimmy Carter.

[Emile]

65. I agree, with the one exception for Jimmy Carter. Truly a remarkable man

that lived an amazing rewarding life.

[Vinca]

36. Appointing a proponent of the prosperity gospel is the first honest thing Trump has done.

[valleyrogue]

41. The problem they have isn't with the "prosperity gospel."

What they have problem with is Paula's sex.

Women aren't supposed to lead at all in the mindset of the "Christian patriarchy" followers.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

43. This lady is not suitable for any job in the white house

[Abolishinist]

47. Journey?

He's been waiting, for a girl like her, to come into his life.

Waiting, for someone new, to keep his grift alive.

[AZJonnie]

57. Foreigner ;)

[Abolishinist]

67. Whoops! You're right.

Looks like my career as a lyricist is off to a bad start.

[Norrrm]

51. True/false Christian?...

Oftentimes the method of religion is more important than the God of religion.

Even within the same branh of a religion.

[Morbius]

52. I'd like to take this opportunity to preach the gospel according to me.

What I have to do today is be a better person than I was yesterday.
And I need to try tomorrow to be a better person than I am today.

Nothing else matters.

[canetoad]

53. Every time I hear the bullshit statement

"Prosperity Gospel", I laugh until the tears run down my legs.

How did America become so fucking gullible?

[AZJonnie]

58. I'm pretty sure the idea that material success inherently implies blessings from a Diety, which is then used

as a justification for shitty behavior by said blessed persons, predates the USA by a few Millenia. I think it's been pretty popular with, you know, rich people, and less so among poor people.

[canetoad]

60. You seem to have a grasp of

Intellectual honesty. I'm not so sure of several millions of Americans having that same grasp; in fact they seem to enjoy, revel in their own self-proclaimed ignorance while celebrating the fallacy of how educated they are.

I agree, the co-option of moral principles long predates the USA. But not until the 20th century did their teaching diverge absolutely from the traditional teachings of Christ to become a self serving, money making, inarguable truth in their own minds.

In past years, centuries, society itself, having a small conscience, looked down on those who attacked the 'least of us' in society. There is only one half step between kindness and cruelty and that is indifference.

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

61. "Prosperity is your divine right"

was a popular Reagan-era bumper sticker. Having a TV megachurch dates from that era, too, does it not? It came with cable TV construction, which of course was government-financed.

For an academic analysis of Protestantism's ties to/theology of wealth, start with Max Weber's "Protestant Work Ethic."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic

Personally I think old Max had it backwards. Protestantism is the perfect capitalist religion, because only the wealthy are truly saved and go to the afterlife: a kingdom ruled by a fat, old, bearded white tyrant who once had a thing for betrothed Jewish virgins and perhaps still does. Thus, the religion gives license to all sorts of malfeasance. Society deifies itself.

[BoRaGard]

62. Speaking of heretics, Felon 47 VIOLATES the Ten Commandments daily