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Dennis Donovan

(31,059 posts)
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 09:57 AM Feb 2025

Raw Story: 'Mark my words': George Conway predicts alarming showdown that could 'end' U.S. democracy

Raw Story - 'Mark my words': George Conway predicts alarming showdown that could 'end' U.S. democracy

Travis Gettys
February 10, 2025 7:51AM ET

George Conway predicted that Donald Trump would engage in a constitutional showdown that could spell the end of U.S. democracy.

Vice President J.D. Vance argued Sunday that federal courts “aren’t allowed” to limit the president's “legitimate power," after a judge temporarily blocked Elon Musk and other political appointees from accessing sensitive data and payment systems at the Treasury Department. Conway told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" the issue would likely force a constitutional clash.

"J.D. Vance is an embarrassment to the law school that I attended," Conway said. "But the fact of the matter is, he's telling us something that we should have already known, and last week I said it. They are not going to obey court orders, they have decided that they are going to push the boundaries on executive power by basically infringing on the Article 1 power of Congress, and they are violating statutory, they're violating the text of the Constitution in the birthright citizenship issue.

"They are violating the text of statutes by having DOGE run around and do all the things that they've been doing, the executive orders, there's no reason that this government that has decided not to obey the laws and the Constitution of the United States is going to obey a court order and, as you know, having practiced law there's really only one way that courts can enforce their orders when somebody is being contumacious and refusing to obey an order, and that's to send the U.S. Marshals out to take somebody in and to hold them in contempt or to otherwise enforce court orders."

"Well, who does the U.S. Marshals Service work for?" Conway added. "The U.S. Marshals Service is part of the United States Department of Justice. It reports to Donald J. Trump, and what's going to happen here, mark my words, is that at some point, they are going to basically tell the United States Marshals Service, do not enforce any of these orders, we will not obey them, and you are not to enforce them and, once that happens, I mean, I hope it doesn't happen, but I know in my heart that it will, our 236-year experiment in the federal rule of law, in democratic self-governance for the United States of America, in American constitutionalism, is essentially over."

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Raw Story: 'Mark my words': George Conway predicts alarming showdown that could 'end' U.S. democracy (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Feb 2025 OP
We have a very rough road ahead of us DemMedic Feb 2025 #1
If this is realized then it is time for blue states to consider Secession from the union, because the union no longer JohnSJ Feb 2025 #2
My fantasy of CO joining NM, CA, OR (western), WA along with NE, Mid Atlantic and whatever upper Midwest states hlthe2b Feb 2025 #3
The states do gave quite a bit of power in the U.S. yardwork Feb 2025 #4
Oligarchy sakabatou Feb 2025 #5
not that i advocate violence... samnsara Feb 2025 #6
Also in the cases of vance and musk and notinkansas Feb 2025 #8
The problem was created because conservative justices on the Supreme Court put political Baitball Blogger Feb 2025 #7
 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
2. If this is realized then it is time for blue states to consider Secession from the union, because the union no longer
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 10:10 AM
Feb 2025

exists.


hlthe2b

(113,947 posts)
3. My fantasy of CO joining NM, CA, OR (western), WA along with NE, Mid Atlantic and whatever upper Midwest states
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 10:19 AM
Feb 2025

want to come along joining together--or even with Canada... I've had it with MAGA states--even though my liberal sister can't be blasted out of the South with a Confederate cannon. sigh...

samnsara

(18,767 posts)
6. not that i advocate violence...
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 10:34 AM
Feb 2025

..but in trumps case it may be warranted. If THATS the only way to be rid of him..then so be it.

Baitball Blogger

(52,343 posts)
7. The problem was created because conservative justices on the Supreme Court put political
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 11:19 AM
Feb 2025

interests ahead of legal reasoning. We still have three justices on the court that can set this straight by spearheading a legal reasoning that will remove the immunity ruling problem that was created. We just need to remove three of those conservative judges. Okay, so the plan is not perfect.

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