Why do people insist on needing a gun? Please list the reasons but not those already debunked

[graham4anything]

note-
in other posts I have made suggestions about collectors, shooting range enthusiasts and hunting so those reasons have been debunked

What is truly the reason for wanting a gun, the unspoken reasons

because there is not one reason said aloud that has not been debunked ten times over

(including the safety issue- if guns on the street were banished, there would be no need for any guns to protect one from another gun.)

so no answers to any of the above please, those have been debunked

Plain and simple-why does anyone insist on needing a gun

[kelly1mm]

1. Work requirement? nt

[axetogrind]

2. Because my wife and I enjoy a day in the desert shooting.

Because my wife and I vowed to never be victims of violent crime again.
My wife was robbed and beaten several years ago and she vowed to never be helpless again. She has since gotten a CHL and has become very proficient at shooting it.
Also, because we have a right to have firearms in our home and our state has said that we can carry them in public.
I know some people disapprove of this and I can respect differing opinions, I just don't agree with it.

[WCGreen]

3. Cause I have a little pee pee....

Seriously, I can see people having guns. It's just that everything seems to be so unregulated. There are more checks to driving a car than most people face when buying a gun.

[arthritisR_US]

35. I'm with you on this one. The teeny weenie syndrome.

[slackmaster]

4. Zombies

[ileus]

23. Crap that's another one I need.

A nice 22/45 for zombie defense.

[jody]

5. Read the constitutions for PA (1776) & VT (1777) and learn.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/statech.asp

[DrDan]

6. fear and paranoia

[lumberjack_jeff]

7. The reason is perceived insecurity.

I have two guns; a mossberg 12 ga shotgun and a taurus 9mm pistol.

I bought the shotgun first, primarily because my wife felt insecure about living so far out in the country (not so insecure that she wants to know how to shoot it though), and secondarily because I thought I might one day take up bird hunting.

The pistol was bought later because the vacation cabin owned by the extended family is *very* remote, with no power, phone or cell service, (and even if you could call 911, the cops are about 1 hour away) and with lots of bears and too many tweakers in search of metal to sell.

Neither of these represent "needs" nor do they really represent "reasons" imho. They are rationales.

I am extremely ambivalent about guns. I hate them, including the two I have locked in the safe. I have probably put 40 target practice rounds through each one.

I debate selling them to the local gun shop. The tradeoff is my peace of mind vs hers, so here they stay for now.

Off topic, but this summer I sold a lathe to a guy from a medium sized city nearby. He and his friend came, visited for awhile and decided to buy it. After we loaded it up, the buddy said: "nothing personal, but we (are armed) because you don't know what to expect this far out (in the country)"
WTF? Seriously? a) Do thieves, cutpurses, highwaymen and robbers list machine tools on craigslist hoping to lure hapless machinists to their demise? b) Why would you volunteer this information?

I can't imagine being that paranoid.

[Jamastiene]

36. Lol, those of us who live in the country sometimes fear

going into the cities. I know I have developed a well founded fear of at least some cities nearby. I don't go packing a gun when I go into a big city, but I have to honestly say, depending on the city and its reputation, I do fear the violence I may face.

Violence is everywhere though. It really is. It is just interesting to know that some people fear being "in the country" in particular.

[Major Nikon]

39. I have several guns but have only bought one in my lifetime

All the rest were inherited. I keep them because I have a strong sentimental attachment to them. I have my grandfather's police service pistol which is my connection to his days as a police officer. I have my dad's rifle, which is a military surplus rifle converted for use as a deer rifle and it connects me to the many hours spent in my dad's workshop converting those rifles for hunting which my dad did to earn a few extra dollars. I have my dad's and my grandfather's pump shotguns which connects me to the times when we went bird hunting. The only gun I ever bought was an over/under shotgun barrel set used for shooting skeet. It has fixed skeet chokes and is wholy unsuited for pretty much anything else. I spent about 15 years shooting skeet on and off and I might again someday. I purchased a gun safe when my youngest child was an infant and they have been locked up from that day. I can't remember if my kids have even seen any of my guns and my youngest is 16. Neither has ever expressed any interest in them and I have never encouraged them to do so. I have never been in any situation where I think a gun would have helped, even in my 10 years with the military.

[Blue_In_AK]

8. There are two reasons I can see for having a gun, at least here in Alaska.

Back country hikers might like to carry one in case of grizzly attacks. And the other reason, if you are a rural dweller here, off the road system, you probably hunt to eat, e.g. Alaska Native subsistence hunters. I know a lot of urban Alaskans who like to get a moose or caribou for their freezer, and I don't really have an objection to that, but it's not a necessity. For people in the Bush, however, it clearly is.

[hack89]

9. How did you debunk hunting and target shooting? nt

[larkrake]

19. dont need automatics for hunting or targets.

shotguns are good for snakes, but as far as hunting, rifles are not sporting, use a bow to prove you're a man. Killing beasts make no sense to me, let the Rangers kill off the weak and old Elk, deer and mountain sheep. I wont associate with men with trophy heads in their dens. Hunting brings in alot of money thru licences, so it will continue. Bloodlust is not a good quality in a man

[hack89]

25. An incoherent rant is not debunking. nt

[JoePhilly]

29. There is an analogy in fishing ... for sport fishing, you use a lower pound test line.

The various fishing lines will break against specific pounds of resistance.

So you could use 20lb test line to catch a 2lb fish. But where is the sport in that?

You select the pound test of the fishing line so that the fish has a chance of breaking the line and escaping. And you set the "drag" of the reel so that it will let out more line if the fish's effort to swim away approaches the line strength.

If you use a high pound test, the fish, once hooked, has no chance.

This is why one doesn't / shouldn't need an assault rifle to kill a deer. Shooting a dear with one shot is hard. Shooting one where you squeeze once and you get off many shots, is lame.

[loli phabay]

45. i dont fish for sport but for food so i use the heaviest line i can

Same when i hunt its not about sport but getting the meat on the table.

[graham4anything]

53. Use a bow and arrow like the Native Americans did to hunt

[loli phabay]

75. why? im not native american. plus its easier with my various guns depending on the game

[JoePhilly]

60. I don't know many people whose primary food source is the fish they catch or the deer they shoot.

Most of those that I know who fish, or hunt, definitely want to take home "food", but they also know that on many days, they will come home with little or nothing.

They hunt not only for the food, but for the sport. For some its a reminder of how their ancestors survived. A tradition.

Bottom line ... you don't need an assault rifle to kill a deer. But it does make it much much easier.

[loli phabay]

76. easier is best. same reasin i have irrigation in my food gardens makes it easier.

[oneshooter]

48. I believe you are mistaken.

" Shooting one where you squeeze once and you get off many shots, is lame."

You are describing a full-auto firearm. They are, in all states, illegal for hunting game. A semi-auto is legal, in most states, for hunting game.

Semi-auto= 1 shot per pull of trigger

Full-auto= multiple shots per pull of the trigger

[JoePhilly]

59. My father hunted dear with a single action rifle.

If you could not take down a deer with that, then you should go practice more.

The rifles today, like the one used to kill the kids and faculty in CT, can fire much more rapidly.

You are debating the tiny mechanics.

A hunter sees a dear and takes a shot. If you miss, you miss. Well, that's how it was. Now, if you miss, no problem, just keep shooting.

Very sporting.

[k2qb3]

10. Premise is false.

Guns are already banished in public schools, that did not eliminate the threat posed by another gun.

You can't put the genie back in the bottle.

[Hoyt]

27. We are not only worried about massacres in schools - how about restaurants, play grounds, parks, etc

If we do like the pro-gun crowd wants and do nothing for another decade there will be at least another 100 million of the dang things produced in this country. Would that make you happy?

Don't have to put the whole "genie back in the bottle" (copyright NRA) to improve things.

[sendero]

11. I do not need...

.. a "reason" to own a gun any more than you need a "reason" to own a dog.

[JoePhilly]

32. When was the last time a dog killed 20 children and 7 adults?

[X_Digger]

46. +1 rights don't depend on "need"

There is no Secretary of Need, no Department of Need, etc.

[Bonhomme Richard]

12. The whole thing feeds on itself.

I wonder how many people that carry legally do it because they are afraid of other legal carriers losing it in a mall or supermarket. They will tell you it's the bad guy that they are prepared for but in reality it is random lunatic.

[Bonhomme Richard]

14. That random lunatic a month before was just another legal gun owner. n/t

[BeyondGeography]

13. Some sad facts about gun ownership here

[dkf]

15. Hurricane sandy...other natural disasters.

Riots...

I don't have a gun but I can understand why others may want one.

If things got bad I wouldn't mind being around someone who knew how to use one.

[JoePhilly]

33. Don't forget Zombies.

[Jamastiene]

37. Yeah, but with zombies, you can't even sleep.

At least, you can't sleep in Florida. They'll eat your face off before you have half a chance to wake up good.

I still can't get over the amount of face chewing incidents this year, in the US. Tell me it's not a zombie apocalypse beginning...well, in slow motion, sorta. Ok, so it's not a zombie apocalypse yet, but give the illegal drug manufacturers time and a good catchy name to use and they'll create something that will be just that "thing" that will drive users over the edge into full blown cannibalism spree after cannibalism spree. :cringe:

[dkf]

63. Bath salt zombies?

Well I hope we don't go there.

[bvar22]

16. My wife & I own several, and have used them...

...to protect ourselves, our property, our stock, and our pets.
We live in a very rural part of Arkansas (Ouachita Mountains),
surrounded by National Forest.
We are committed to living as sustainably, independently, and as green as possible.
We keep chickens, HoneyBees, a BIG Veggie garden, fruit trees and Various cultivated berries.
We go to great lengths to protect our stock as passively as possible with fencing and steel panels, but nothing is perfect.

We much prefer to Live Trap and relocate whenever possible,
but if a coyote, skunk, fox, or coon gets into the chicken house, we will shoot it before it can kill our chickens (and they will in short order).
The same goes for ground hogs and armadillos inside the garden fencing.

Rabies is epidemic in this part of Arkansas, and we will shoot nocturnal animals behaving strangely in the daytime if they are close to our cabin, pets, or stock.

We take no joy in this, but it is as much a part of the life we have chosen
as the "culling" (killing) of surplus young roosters (cockerels) every year.

We also fish, and, if we get hungry enough, we will hunt, preferably game birds,
but deer if necessary. If that happens, we will have functional, well maintained firearms, and the skill and competency necessary to use them safely, efficiently, and effectively.


You have improperly used the term "debunked" in the OP.
I have seen nothing that "debunks" owning firearms for hunting purposes.

[reformist2]

62. What would you think about a law that limited how many weapons you could own?

Just curious.

[Autumn]

17. You ever seen a large animal suffer, like a horse that you love with a broken leg?

And you know that it's going to take, at the very least an hour for the Vet to get out to put it down. Have you ever actually seen a rabid, foaming at the mouth skunk close to your house where you have kids and pets?

And really you haven't debunked any thing.

[KathieG]

41. It's unbearably heart wrenching, and it's the main reason I have a firearm on hand on our small farm

...that and my husband is in law enforcement. Even if he wasn't I would keep a firearm for farm purposes. We had to put a raccoon down that was sitting next to our chicken coop all day and obviously sick. Animal control here in N. Fl is worthless in these situations, so we had to put the animal out of it's misery as well as protect our own animals.

I have personally witnessed a friend putting down a pony with a firearm after she was hopelessly injured. Vet had an eta of 45+ minutes...that's forever when an animal is suffering.

[Autumn]

42. Yes, those minutes drag into hours it seems like.

and the suffering is intense.

[democrattotheend]

18. How have those reasons been debunked?

At the very least, you might want to link to that thread that shows how they have been decisively debunked.

I don't own a gun but if I had to live in a rough neighborhood I might consider it, after getting adequate training.

[MFM008]

20. I have a .357

Im fire arm trained, gun registered etc. and ONLY if someone enters my house by force would I touch it.

[ileus]

21. It's hard to hunt grouse with sling shot?

I'm down to 4 or 5 guns that I actually need.

One being a upper for my AR lower that I can legally hunt with here in VA.

I still need a nice full sized 45acp for home defense and general range plinking.

I need a nice O/U because with semi-auto and pumps you're just looked at like you're crazy at the club.

I need a compact single stack 9mm to replace my LCP as my EDC.


Those are my needs...hopefully my wife and kids will help me out this Christmas season in at least one Category.

[JoePhilly]

34. A good wrist rocket with the right gauge pellet would work.

[ileus]

38. The dogs would be disappointed.

[JoePhilly]

61. Dogs tend to have a very short memory.

[Mr. Mojo Risen]

22. Because they're cool.

I'm not a gun person. For the most part, I'm anti gun. I do however own many knives. Mostly Benchmade and Spyderco's. I admit I have no practical reason to own all these knives. I buy them because I admire the design and craftsmanship that goes into these knives. I like trying out some of the more exotic blade steels like ZDP-189 and M390. I like to carry different ones around and show them to my friends. And every once in a while, I'll actually have a need for my knife. Nothing like whipping out a $200 knife to slaughter a cardboard box.

I do interact with a lot of gun guys though on various internet forums. I can tell you there is a lot of paranoia. There will be every imaginary scenario from the 300 pound guy on PCP trying to kill them to Obama handing US sovereignty to the UN.

There is a myriad of reasons people will insist on having all these guns. But one big underlying reason is people simply think they are cool to own. Most everything else is just rationalization.

[The Straight Story]

24. I used to be a deputy

Funny when you work for the government how people trust you with one, but when you don't they do not.

Same people, different titles.

And we did not just have them at work. Folks had them at home as well because we saw the worst of the worse.

When you spend all night (I was night shift) with criminals and see what they do you sort of want a way to defend yourself when outside of work (and I had plenty of inmates who hated me - and no, I did not carry a gun at work generally as I worked in the jail, but sometimes had duties outside of it - but we had access to them).

Had an inmate, wife beater, follow me home from work one day. I did not have a gun but the other deputy with me did and we contained him.

Where I live now is even more dangerous and all the dealers carry guns, all the hoodlums do, and if someone were to break into my house with one I would have no way of defending myself (I do not own a gun but someone who lives here does).

I have purchased ONE gun in my whole life, for work (armed guard) and sold it back to company when I left.

Funny though. Our guards were armed for safety reasons in bad areas.

Some would only allow them to buy a gun and the people living around there to not have one.

We trust companies and government, and not each other - the government and corporations have won as we see each other now as the enemy and them as our saviors.

[Mr.Bill]

26. I think a lot of the guns being sold now

are bought by people who have no particular need for them they just have a fear they will need them later and will not be able to get them then.

[Sheldon Cooper]

28. I mentioned this in another post on Friday.

25 years ago, I was newly divorced (no kids) and living on my own for the first time in my life. I became unreasonably fearful of having an intruder come into my house in the middle of the night. I say it was unreasonable because, honestly, it was. There were no circumstances that made me more vulnerable to home intruders than anyone else, and furthermore, I had no such fear of being attacked in public. Anyway, I considered getting a gun to keep at home but decided against it. With time, the fear subsided and I now I'm glad I never did it.

Having said that, I would never say that someone who is in the position that I found myself in should be denied the reasonable ability to protect themselves as they see fit. 'Reasonable' does not mean an armory of semi-automatic weapons and thousands of rounds of ammo.

[Journeyman]

30. When my grandmother died, my cousin who lived in Tennessee came out for the funeral. . .

Larry was born in California but had moved -- unexpectedly and unannounced -- a few years before, without telling anyone where he was headed. When he arrived for the funeral, he was accompanied by a very nice couple who looked like they'd just stepped out of Dogpatch -- she had long blond hair, and even used a twist of rope for her belt, just like Daisy Mae. It was her husband who commanded attention, however.

From the moment he entered my grandmother's home, until we finished the post-funeral wake, he had a rifle in his hands or by his side. Even during the memorial service, he sat with his weapon between his legs, his body turned so he could watch both entry doors to the Chapel.

That evening, fortified by a few hours of toasting the dead, I asked him why he held the gun all the time. He looked at me quizzically, then said he'd picked up the rifle on entering California and wouldn't put it down again until he re-crossed the state line. I chalked it up to paranoia and went back to drinking.

Later, however, I learned that my cousin had done something stupid in a business transaction with a gang in California and that was why he now lived hidden in the hills of Tennessee. So Li'l Abner carried his weapon not out of fear or a desire to prop himself up, but because my cousin was an idiot. And because Abner liked him, and because he loved his wife, he carried the only talisman he thought might protect them all. Course, had it come to it, my cousin's pursuers would have arrived with many more talismans, larger, too, and made short order of us all.

So even a belief in magic doesn't ensure your weapon will protect you from your own, or others', idiocy. And it'll probably just make it all the worse.

[madville]

31. I was in Miami for the month of August

I was doing some work for the county and I had a 9mm on me everywhere I went down there, I had to be in some very crappy areas at times.

I wasn't worried about other guns, I was worried about other people. That wasn't very long after the guy had eaten the other dudes face off at the beach down there.

[Trailrider1951]

40. OK, here's my reason

That 6 foot long copperhead that took up residence in my shed last July.

Or maybe I should have sung him a chorus of " Git along little doggie"?

[graham4anything]

52. I would call a snake charmer to remove the snake. Or a professional.

But again, your gun is already allowed and accountable in this thread, as that is in YOUR residence so it don't apply for being in the street

(and if the snake is running down the block, unarmed and you then go in the street for miles and chase it, well that is just so wrong especially if the snake is not a threat

One needs to read the original post for the qualifications of this thread

[flvegan]

43. Your "safety issue" debunking is pure comedy.

So, since that's the case, I can safely respond (while adhering to your rules) that I do so for protection. I have myself, my animals, my possessions and the now and again guest(s) to watch over. I have a rifle, a .45 sidearm and a Mossberg to assist me in successfully doing that if the need ever arises. Not that it's a guarantee, but it's a better chance.

And no, I'm not a member of the NRA nor a gun-nut so do please spare me the idiot fingerpointing.

[graham4anything]

50. Your gun would be in your house, so its not part of the thread topic, which is the streets

and as for the protection of a gun issue

it's like the Mary Chapin Carpenter song "Sometimes you're the Windshield, some days you're the bug" song

having a gun for protection is like random
some days one person is the faster gunslinger
at some point the other person always will be

I myself attempt to find out when going somewhere if the place has a gun
if they do I choose if to enter or not

There should be signs on a door warning people

[flvegan]

55. Is your OP "Why do people insist on needing a gun?" or not?

Then you stated that safety (or as I stated under that umbrella, protection) had been debunked.

The rest of your word salad of a response...I don't know how to answer to any of that.

[graham4anything]

56. the OP takes into account that the other mentionables already were changed (are a given)

collectors can keep their gun
hunters can use bow and arrows
shooting ranges like minature golf courses give the equiptment and you give it back when leaving
(or leave it in a locker)

thereby assuming for example of this thread that all that is accounted for

therefore it is in the streets, guns in the street all would be banned except for law enforcement or the military

(no civilian patrol armed, and security guards at a plant would be indoors, and not on the streets though with no guns on the street, they would not need to be armed, just have better security)

so if A B C D E are accounted for

then what is the reason after that for a gun?

so far I have not seen one answer for that.

But first it takes a total reframing of the issue.

[flvegan]

57. Just to be clear, are you asking

why I would need to own/keep one in my home if all guns on the street were banned? That's what I'm getting from that response. Because I'm strictly speaking of why I own guns, in answer to your OP. My guns aren't "in the streets"

[graham4anything]

58. I am not looking to take away your gun from your home

I am just looking to reframe the entire issue, take all guns off the street

So all the past excuses would have been dealt with, so what i am looking for is
what is left as reasons to need a gun (in a movie theatre, bar, restaurant, etc.)

[Lizzie Poppet]

44. Oh, very clever wording there!

(including the safety issue- if guns on the street were banished, there would be no need for any guns to protect one from another gun.)

Excellent use of a qualifier ("from another gun&quot !

[ohheckyeah]

47. I don't owe you or anyone else

an explanation and if I shared my reason it would bring a chorus of "cool story".

I own a gun, it's legal, I know how to use it, I seldom even touch it and I hope I never need to defend myself with it.

[former-republican]

49. Hunting has been debunked ?

[Robb]

64. Real men, apparently, bash Bambi with concrete chunks.

I'm paraphrasing.

[beevul]

66. *Snort*

You never fail to make me LOL Robb.

[ZombieHorde]

51. Hunting. nt

[darkangel218]

54. The reason I need a gun

Is for personal protection.

I was raped once, hell if i will let it happen again.

[Heather MC]

65. Because they can own one, or a thousand, that's why

[beevul]

67. Because my other half and I are owned by these critters called pomeranians...

Because my other half and I are owned by these critters called pomeranians, which allow us to share their home with them.

They look like this:



And this:



We have many neighbors who are violent and have attempted to kill our pomeranian landlords. They look like this:



Our pomeranian landlords DEMAND that we protect them when they need to go outside, and oddly, the afformentioned neighbors don't understand the word "no" and are unwilling to discuss the issue with us.

We therefore have to resort to using force.

I suppose you think we should find some middle ground and compromise with them huh?

[graham4anything]

68. I keep my cats indoors, and walk my dogs on a leash(and pick up after them)

We have plenty of wolves, and coyotes and bears and deer in the area

and I have no thought myself to wanting to hurt any of them.

After all, it's their land that homes encroach on.

So no, that is not a reason also it's irrelveant to the thread and we don't really need large pictures (which are a known tactic to divert a thread.)

Please no comments on pictures of animals.

I have not seen one reason for needing guns in the street, not one.
This thread has been going all day, 100s of looks and not one reason to have this in America.

Every single thing can be done without a gun, except our fine law enforcement of the Federal, State and Local governments.

I myself lived through Hurricane Sandy, on a dark street for 8 days was it, and never once thought of having a gun.

And there was ZERO illegal looting in both Katrina and Sandy.
those were also two media lies. Anderson Cooper broke that lie on national tv.

Never held a gun, though once I had a gun put to my head. I believe I told this here before.

But I was driving at the time, and a police car was across the street.
And I calmly told the dude that I was going to make an illegal u-turn and crash my car into the empty police car directly making the target the back passenger side and guess what-
he believed I would do it and it defused the situation. The police were standing outside a storefront and not in their car at the time.

Guns just lead to death. I would never pick one up nor fire it.

If someone asks for my wallet, I would give it to them.
Not worth dying over a few credit cards and two dollars for the lotto.(as I am not paranoid, I charge everything as I don't care who knows I like Charmin with Aloe.
As i have an EZ pass, again, I don't care if I am tracked either. Not paranoid.
And not a fan of guns.

And as it appears there are zero needs for a gun, assuming the original post events were to happen, no one would need to miss one in the streets

and then we can have 100% safety from these type of gun events.

I trust my President to not abuse any authority.
I do NOT trust a regular person with a gun to not have an accident.

btw, the person in the story above back in the 1990s, was my former friend.
Optimum word- FORMER.
Now, no one smokes in my car, and I point blank ask anyone I don't know if they are carrying a weapon. If they are, they ain't getting in my car. No matter how good a friend they are.

[beevul]

69. I tried to be polite.

Apparently you have never been stalked by a coyote. I have.


Apparentlly you have never lost an animal to a coyote. I have.


And most apparently, you have never stood unarmed between a coyote and your precious little ones, not knowing if they - they travel in packs, you see - were going to try to take you as well as try to take your little ones.

So get back to me when a coyote tries to take one of your little ones in spite of the fact that its leashed.


Coyote attacks on humans are uncommon and rarely cause serious injuries, due to the relatively small size of the coyote, but have been increasingly frequent, especially in the state of California. In the 30 years leading up to March 2006, at least 160 attacks occurred in the United States, mostly in the Los Angeles County area.[1] Data from USDA Wildlife Services, the California Department of Fish and Game, and other sources show that while 41 attacks occurred during the period of 1988–1997, 48 attacks were verified from 1998 through 2003. The majority of these incidents occurred in Southern California near the suburban-wildland interface.[2]

In the absence of the harassment of coyotes practiced by rural people, urban coyotes are losing their fear of humans, which is further worsened by people intentionally or unintentionally feeding coyotes. In such situations, some coyotes have begun to act aggressively toward humans, chasing joggers and bicyclists, confronting people walking their dogs, and stalking small children.[2] Nonrabid coyotes in these areas will sometimes target small children, mostly under the age of 10, though some adults have been bitten.

Although media reports of such attacks generally identify the animals in question as simply "coyotes", research into the genetics of the eastern coyote indicates those involved in attacks in northeast North America, including Pennsylvania, New York, New England, and eastern Canada, may have actually been coywolves, hybrids of Canis latrans and Canis lupus, not fully coyotes.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote_attacks_on_humans


You, despite your apparent position to the contrary, are not the arbiter of whos needs are relevent and whos are not.

Take your arrogance and presumptuousness and go bother someone else with them

[sarisataka]

70. You forgot to mention

your true hero the Hon. M. Bloomberg.

Why do you not proclaim his praises here in GD? After all isn't he the true hero facing down the NRA and Obama is just jumping on his bandwagon?

[beevul]

71. Oh yeah, he loves bloomturd.

Must be a big fan of "stop and frisk", that one.


I doubt hes fooling anyone.

[graham4anything]

73. Who forgot? Mike Bloomberg for Homeland Security when the legendary Janet retires.

I love Janet Reno-who took care of the problems when she was in charge in the pre-HS days
Fair and by the law, she methodically did.

I love Janet Napolitano the HS director who has indicated she would like to retire from it when the second term begins

but Mike Bloomberg can be the singular best homeland security director ever

and let Mike give millions to any candidate who will beat a NRA candidate like he did in the California race. Like he single handedly helped Angus King win his senate seat and caucus with the democrats.

If he would only finance 100% of the house races that has an NRA candidate, the house would be complete with people on my side. All it takes is money to wrestle control from the superpac lobbby that the NRA is.

But in my scenerio, as you may know, I want the entire gun issue reframed to one that puts it into the war on terror

at which time we can freeze the assets of the NRA like they do any other terror group.

all it takes is some $$$ and the reframing.

Hell, we don't even need to change the law to do that, as the war on terror has been ratified and renewed now many times and Congress all voted for it. It gives the president the right to do whatever it takes.

but this is for another topic. And thankfully, this topic is in the general discussion area.

[Mel Content]

72. just in case.

if and/or when the actual need arises, i'd prefer to be prepared...it's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

[lbrtbell]

74. Facts that you ignore aren't "debunked"

Must be nice living in your sugar-and-spice world where all guns and psycopaths would magically disappear just because a bill was signed into law.

No law will banish guns on the street, as evidenced by the fact that cities with the toughest gun laws have some of the worst crime in America. Meanwhile, rural areas with high gun ownership rarely have gun-related crimes.

Do I want a gun? No. But I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and ignore facts, either.

[graham4anything]

78. you don't understand, today's gun laws are not tough. they don't work. need to reframe everything

we need to reframe the entire issue

[kooljerk666]

77. If I lived in Coyote or Cougar country & was in the woods with less than a pack of big dogs.........

When I retire in the country I may get black powder pistol or double barrel shotgun, thats it.

Single shot rifle for deer maybe.....................

All black powder & all take minutes to reload.

Revolvers can still be dangerous, just carry 1/2 dozen & drop them while empty.