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Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:51 PM

Adam Lanza would burn himself "to feel something"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nancy-lanza-feared-son-adam-worse-article-1.1221505?localLinksEnabled=false

EXCLUSIVE: Nancy Lanza feared son, Adam, was ‘getting worse’; told friend ‘he was burning himself with a lighter’Less than a week before her son would launch his horrifying attack on Sandy Hook Elementary School, gun-loving mom Nancy Lanza knew "she was losing him" and that "he was getting worse."

A drinking buddy of Lanza told The Daily News that her son Adam had long been troubled and rarely came up in conversation.

"She just looked down at the glass and said, 'I don't know. I'm worried I'm losing him,'" said the bar pal, who did not wish to be named, of the ominous conversation at the bar My Place in Newtown, Conn.

"She said it was getting worse. She was having trouble reaching him."
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(article also says Nancy was into falconry):
She "was a country girl" who loved to hunt with a falcon that would scare game she'd blast out of the sky.

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Reply Adam Lanza would burn himself "to feel something" (Original post)
riverwalker Dec 2012 OP
Brickbat Dec 2012 #1
FarPoint Dec 2012 #2
Brickbat Dec 2012 #4
agracie Dec 2012 #6
Brickbat Dec 2012 #8
FarPoint Dec 2012 #15
malaise Dec 2012 #16
Brickbat Dec 2012 #25
rainlillie Dec 2012 #19
sasha031 Dec 2012 #29
Brickbat Dec 2012 #37
Hekate Dec 2012 #5
agracie Dec 2012 #9
undeterred Dec 2012 #12
rainlillie Dec 2012 #21
JohnnyLib2 Dec 2012 #23
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #3
agracie Dec 2012 #11
loyalsister Dec 2012 #28
sasha031 Dec 2012 #31
Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #33
CreekDog Dec 2012 #7
Buns_of_Fire Dec 2012 #10
cascadiance Dec 2012 #13
CraftyGal Dec 2012 #22
cascadiance Dec 2012 #27
Happyhippychick Dec 2012 #14
FarCenter Dec 2012 #17
intaglio Dec 2012 #18
FarCenter Dec 2012 #20
Shiraz Dec 2012 #26
intaglio Dec 2012 #38
JohnnyLib2 Dec 2012 #24
geomon666 Dec 2012 #30
patrice Dec 2012 #34
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #32
FarCenter Dec 2012 #35
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #41
fujiyama Dec 2012 #36
Daemonaquila Dec 2012 #39
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #40

Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:56 PM

1. So very said.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:59 PM

2. She had plenty of money

to secure quality care.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:03 PM

4. He was older than 18; it's difficult to impossible to get treatment for an adult who doesn't want

it.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:11 PM

6. So very true because...

until a person like that does something REALLY awful, he cannot be forced into treatment. Trust me on that.

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Response to agracie (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:13 PM

8. Yep. I know.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:41 PM

15. It will be interesting to see if the family

sought psychiatric care in his teens....Seems like the family was in denial....she did take him and his brother to the shooting range as a family activity.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:45 PM

16. True but you could tell him to seek treatment or leave your house

You may be an adult but if you're financially dependent on me, then I do have a say.

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Response to malaise (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:22 PM

25. True. It's difficult to get that point, however. Tought love isn't tough only on the person with a

problem. She could have told herself that she was going to kick him out in the new year. Or tomorrow.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:47 PM

19. That's so true. My aunt has been trying for years to get help for her adult son.

The system sucks and changes need to be made.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:34 PM

29. a family can go to court and have someone committed for a period of time

to psychiatric hospital so that they can get the help they need.
After that time more than enough care could be arraigned.

At least it would of been something.......

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Response to sasha031 (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:51 PM

37. The burden of proof to get an adult committed against his will is very, very high, and the outcome

can be a denial.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:08 PM

5. If your child is 18 years or older, your hands are tied. You can do nothing.

I've had 2 friends whose kids became schizophrenic/had a psychotic break in their late teens. One family had ample money, the other was a single mom with none. Both tried their hardest. Both were equally helpless.

Chew on that in the darkness of the night, my friend. Our system is broken or nonexistent.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:14 PM

9. But why were the guns not locked up you ask ?

Well, none of us really know what took pace in that house that morning. Perhaps Mom was forced to unlock the guns... and we know the rest.

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Response to agracie (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:19 PM

12. She was shot asleep in her bed according to one report.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:50 PM

21. Damn! There are too many exhausted, desperate familes out there

Who are trying to get help for their loved ones. Due to the persons age or lack of insurance they can't get it.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:57 PM

23. Certainly true in my state (KY).


And, I wonder if the (presumably) murderous fantasies would have surfaced during an involuntary evaluation anyway.
The guy was adrift in the most profound sense.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:59 PM

3. Why the HELL would she have a stockpile of guns?

You think she'd be concerned he would harm himself.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:17 PM

11. Trust me she was concerned about herself too. That's why...

I think the guns were locked up. We'll see...

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:31 PM

28. I am mystified by that too

She talked about being concerned that he was burning himself, why did it not register that maybe he might take the burning a bit further and shoot himself in the arm to feel pain?

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:36 PM

31. that's what I keep asking

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:38 PM

33. I read that she was Doomsday Prepper...

She stockpiled guns, ammunition and food.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:13 PM

7. she could have at least secured her weapons

twenty children are dead from her irresponsibility.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:15 PM

10. Damned shame the little bastard didn't use a flamethrower instead of a Bic. nt

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:20 PM

13. Didn't feel anything? Perhaps another reason that SyFy channel didn't air Haven on Friday night...

 

Nathan's character also "doesn't feel anything" either... I wonder if he was doing this if he was timing this event with this film too. Spooky.

From the sounds of it the show's plot struck too close to home and too soon after this happend.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/haven-episode-pulled-wake-newtown-402738

Wondering if they will air it any time soon! I wonder if they'll still show the season finale next Friday without airing this episode.

Reminds me of how this last fall they found a hog farmer that was killed by his pigs the weekend after they aired an episode of Copper on BBC where a body was disposed in a similar fashion. Again... Spooky!

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/10/farmer-eaten-by-hungry-hogs/

Wondering if Lanza watched this show, and perhaps if there was anyone culpable in the hog farmer death too...

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:56 PM

22. Please remember that there was such a case in Canada.

I lost 2 friends to Robert Pickton. So glad most of the coverage, at least on CNN, that the focus has stayed on the victims. Please remember that Nancy was a Victim!


The way most people remember Georgina and Brenda are as prostitutes, which is not the way I remember them.

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Response to CraftyGal (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:27 PM

27. That's pretty horrible. Sad for your loss of friends!

 

And it does call out more attention to the death of the Oregon farmer being thought as an accident, but perhaps foul play influenced by what they saw on TV (which is my concern in both of these cases).

If later they could find foul play in that case and tie it to that episode of Copper, and find that Lanza was influenced by what he was anticipating being on Haven later that night, perhaps that direct correlation could have scholars study more directly how our culture of violence influences these horrible events, and find better ways to deal with it.

Nancy Lanza may have been too careless with firearms, and perhaps shouldn't have owned them, but you are right that she was a victim, and didn't deserve to be shot any more than any of those other kids and people did.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:20 PM

14. Hey Nancy, here's an idea: why not get rid of your fucking arsenal if you feel your son is losing it

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:46 PM

17. I keep waiting for the psychiatrist's notes to surface - The grocery store press should dig them up.

 

Nancy knew that a mother's love was not enough for her youngest, emotionally detached son.

"I asked her if she was getting him help and she said she was," the friend recalled.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nancy-lanza-feared-son-adam-worse-article-1.1221505

Although I still wonder whether the school psychologist was helping or advising somehow?

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Response to intaglio (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:49 PM

20. Schizoid Personality Disorder

 

- Schizoid Personality Disorder: These individuals avoid social intimacy, have little interest in relationships, and have limited emotional range - often manifest as blunted affect. It is not the same as schizophrenia, although there is a familial association between the two. There is also a familial association between schizophrenia and insensitivity to pain.



http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/12/diagnosing-adam-lanza/266322/

Given his reported insensitivity to physical pain, as reported by one of the high school staff, this seems most likely.

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Response to intaglio (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:24 PM

26. It is possible for

crossover disorders. Could be both.

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Response to intaglio (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:59 PM

38. Sorry folks delete requested n/t

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:59 PM

24. Cutters, burners, extreme tattoos or piercing.....


We sure would have a lot of people locked up on this basis.......

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:35 PM

30. Sounds like Borderline Personality Disorder

Treatable but the mom decided she wanted to spend that money on her gun collection instead.

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Response to geomon666 (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:39 PM

34. That's what I was thinking, and I have met a few and their children (!), until I read this, link:

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:38 PM

32. 'a drinking buddy' said so. to the daily news. ok, well, there's a reliable source. eat it up.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #32)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:49 PM

35. Good for the Daily News. The NY Times is never going to publish the truth that he's bat shit crazy.

 

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #35)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:42 PM

41. thanks doc

 

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:50 PM

36. I don't know...Maybe it's just me...

But If I had a son that was mentally unstable and burning himself with a lighter to "feel" , I might - just maybe lock up my fucking guns - or keep them out of the house altogether.

I think there are a lot of people in this country that are so paranoid and insecure that their need to hold on to their guns trumps even their love for their children.

We're a country of damaged goods.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:22 PM

39. Going after her for FALCONRY? Get a life.

 

Amazing. Whoever wrote that has NO CLUE. Frightening birds up and then blasting at them? Fail. That's not how it's done. You'd be as likely to shoot your falcon accidentally as it's giving chase. The bird makes the kill. Quit making crap up.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:24 PM

40. Wow. Apparently she thought that teaching him all about guns and providing access

 

might help him with his severe psychiatric problems?

Parenting FAIL.

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