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https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-major-social-security-warning-fraud-billion-week-lost-2029244Elon Musk Issues Major Social Security Warning
Published Feb 11, 2025 at 9:05 AM EST
Billionaire Elon Musk has said there is widespread fraud taking place in the payment of "federal entitlements" like Social Security.
Social Security benefits are paid to more than 70 million Americans on a monthly basis, and help form the bedrock of income for many retirees, survivors of deceased claimants and disabled people.
Musk, who was selected by President Donald Trump to head up the non-official Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), has been tasked with streamlining government processes and cutting spending. But critics have raised the alarm about an unelected official gaining access to the payment records and personal details of Americans.
Musk wrote on X on February 11: "At this point, I am 100% certain that the magnitude of the fraud in federal entitlements (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, Disability, etc) exceeds the combined sum of every private scam you've ever heard by FAR. It's not even close."
It follows another post from February 8 in which Musk said he was told there are currently over $100 billion per year of entitlements payments to individuals with no Social Security Number or "even a temporary ID number."
According to the official Social Security Administration website: "You need an SSN [Social Security number] to work, collect Social Security benefits, and receive certain government services."
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Whatever drug this asshole is taking, he needs to overdose ASAP.
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iemanja
(57,757 posts)He's coming for our SS. Fraud is a transparent excuse. That asshole wouldn't know where the fraud is.
"Seniors, their families, and people with disabilities most certainly cannot trust Trump and Musk with their crucial federal benefits - or their personal data. We hope that the courts will halt this effort to hijack the Treasury Department's payment system for blatantly political purposes."
Martin O'Malley, former Commissioner of the Social Security Administration, said at a rally outside SSA offices in Washington: "This is not about efficiency. This is about two things. This is about stealing the personal data of Americans. And it is about taking a lifetime of earned benefits, your Social Security benefits, and turning it into a bitcoin bank!"
B.See
(8,497 posts)as is getting their grubby little hands on everyone's personal data. Trump tried that sht at the beginning of his FIRST occupancy. By creating the deceitfully named Residential Advisory Commission on 'Election Integrity." or the equally facetiously named "Voter Fraud Commission."
His henchman (and chief architect of Georgia's pre-gubernatorial voter purge) Kobach, tried to get the personal information of everyone from every state. 44 states responded with bipartisan backlash, by essentially telling 'em, "fuck you."
Tickle
(4,131 posts)I'm still watching social security to see what they do. I don't think they will touch seniors social security, but I do think they will pull things back like addiction. You can get SS if you have an addiction.
Evolve Dammit
(21,774 posts)Tickle
(4,131 posts)We are not in good times. I hope things change
MadameButterfly
(4,039 posts)If they just take it away from people without SS numbers, we're good. But since his claim isn't true, we have to assume this is just preparation for attacking it another way.
If there is fraud I think we're all on board for getting rid of that. But to really save it, the income cap on paying into SS needs to be raised. If you don't want SS, it isn't that hard to destroy. If you want it, it isn't that hard to save.
Whatever happens, it needs to be decided by Congress who will be answerable to voters. Then there needs to be a free and fair election. And we shouldn't all be on tenter hooks about that. The very possibility of neither happening is psychological abuse.
CaptainTruth
(8,200 posts)
Cha
(319,067 posts)Last edited Wed Feb 12, 2025, 06:53 PM - Edit history (1)
Social Secuity Benefits! 
wordstroken
(1,406 posts)He helps folks understand exactly how to get the most benefits from social security, Medicare, Medicaid, survivor and disability benefits, etc.
He’s a former Social Security District Manager; former Family Services Specialist, Department of Social Services; former Marine Corps Sergeant; and University Adjunct Professor.
Ed is down to earth and at the end of his videos, spends as much time as needed spontaneously answering individuals specific questions live from his audience.
He’s passionate about protecting Social Security for seniors, disabled, survivors, retirees, disabled children, spouses, and others in every state to get the benefits they earned and need and is not afraid to speak out against the current administration.
In fact, lately he’s publicly stated that Elon doesn’t know what he’s talking about re Social Security, and invites Elon or the administration to call and talk to him.
I rarely recommend a YouTube channel, but he’s helped me (and talked me off the ledge a few times as I’ve worried about my SS benefits being taken away), and if you haven’t watched him, I encourage you to check him out.
Just search Ed Weir, PhD. to learn more about him. Here’s a link to his latest YouTube video from earlier today.
https://www.youtube.com/live/3zfzqDIH7lw?si=zZYaTABkiwuWCmxP
Starfury
(860 posts)Not to mention the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve...
Bread and Circuses
(2,045 posts)I’ve said this too.
The Hitler youth hackers will bleed dry SS and Medicare , say that it’s out of money and Poof!
Elders living in tents
elocs
(24,486 posts)How many would find out quickly that living in tents is not living and would soon find empathy for the homeless who must resort to that.
elocs
(24,486 posts)If there is a god, in particular a Christian god, Trump and maga will cause a huge purging of the rolls proving that many are called but few are chosen due to the hatred in their hearts for the least of these my brethren.
Cosmocat
(15,424 posts)to a majority of the country - the republican base that eats their lies up with whip cream and sprinkles and the "middle" who buy into a lot of it or are willing to just go around with all of it.
Not posting this to dispute your general point, just relaying that while it drives us nuts, ultimately they are not the issue - its our country at large.
I still have a lot of people I know on my feed who repost the most ridiculous bullshit they put out ... Memes like EM saying he just found out that 700 billion in FEMA $ went to luxury resorts in NY for illegals.
That is just beyond any reasonable belief, but these people WANT to believe this shit.
Justice matters.
(9,787 posts)Also breaking: Elies lied to Cons in Congress that he has just read-only access, while the DOJ lawyers admitted in Courts that he has read-write access...
That disgusting FASCIST is in for a LOT of troubles: He should spend the rest of his life in jail!!
homegirl
(1,965 posts)Social Security is your Earned Benefit not Federal Largess*
*Entitlememt
!
LudwigPastorius
(14,724 posts)And, if there's Federal Large-ass anywhere, it's in Trump's diaper.
Skittles
(171,707 posts)I think they confuse it negatively with the adjective ENTITLED
h2ebits
(1,002 posts)and have changed the meaning of the word "entitlement." I have given up trying to correct this deliberate and malicious misuse on Facebook.
Farmer-Rick
(12,667 posts)The presidential Airlift Group. It's the military unit that flies presidential planes and keeps the president safe during flights. It was started with the New Deal. Muskrat needs to take a look at all the waste of tax dollars on all that safety crap for the president to fly on a plane.
Montauk6
(9,339 posts)Delmette2.0
(4,503 posts)when that first paycheck is issued you also start paying into your individual account per your SS number.
This is also tracked so if you become disabled your record will prove how many quarters (of a year) you have worked. The entitlement payment is much less than a full retirement check. Taxes can be with held.
The disabled person still has to pay a Medicare premium each month.
The benefit payment may be so low that the person qualifies for state Medicaid.
We needed guidance through all this when my son could no longer work at age 32. He could not live alone because his legs would give out with no warning.
Thanks for reading this rant. I have every thing I could until he died at age 39, respiratory failure.
kacekwl
(9,144 posts)about condoms in Gaza and the like to anger idiots.
Bengus81
(10,164 posts)Brand spanking new $39M contract a couple of days ago while his BITCHES about Government waste
D. Spaulding
(509 posts)his credibility is gone foreve. I don't care how smart he's supposed to be or how rich; I don't trust anything this immature child has to say on the matter. He needs to be forced to go to Congress and show proof of any statement he makes.
Katcat
(574 posts)That’s he’s smart at all. I think he’s sly and sneaky and he’s good at fooling people. Plus he hires smart people
ReRe
(12,189 posts)that he suffers from "insecurity". That might explain the "silly" description.
I noticed a grinning smirk today in the clips from the Oval Office with his son, though.
HarryM
(464 posts)Him and his Dog-E (formerly called DOGE) crap.
wcmagumba
(6,178 posts) Justice matters.
(9,787 posts)European countries EV buyers are actually killing tesla sales figures...
It feels like D-Day in reverse is coming without having to fire a shot.
Dem4life1234
(2,533 posts)He's not bright and only got lucky with stocks.
I hope he loses it all.
Bengus81
(10,164 posts)I call FRAUD and WASTE!!
Dem4life1234
(2,533 posts)Every accusation is a confession with these creeps.
CanonRay
(16,171 posts)I can categorically state he is full of shit. There is physically no possible was to receive SSA benefits without a Social Security number. Medicare gets scammed a lot by guys like Rick Scott.
dalton99a
(94,115 posts)Bengus81
(10,164 posts)Disaffected
(6,401 posts)
GoodRaisin
(10,922 posts)
valleyrogue
(2,715 posts)THIS has always been what these assholes like Musk, Koch, and the other "libertarian" crackpots are about on this.
It is greed. They don't want to pay for anything.
allegorical oracle
(6,480 posts)
yellowdogintexas
(23,694 posts)for mooching a ton of money.
I still do not get how he is not in prison.
yellowdogintexas
(23,694 posts)because they can be easily forged, and do not have a picture .
this was back in 1970 when only a couple of states had photos on the Driver's Licens
CanonRay
(16,171 posts)A made up number or somebody else's would bounce instantly.
yellowdogintexas
(23,694 posts)In 1970 everything was manual and depended on US Mail. It took 2 weeks for a check from California to show as cleared at the bank I worked for (in Cambridge MA). Customer could only draw on any cleared funds which were already in the account.
It makes sense that a bad SS# would take some time to show up.
SheltieLover
(80,454 posts) doubleplusgood
(993 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,291 posts)Thank you! This cannot be said enough.
Nor can reminding people that T***p is a felon -- 34 times over.
And that January 6th happened exactly the way we saw it.
Skittles
(171,707 posts)we paid into SS so we are ENTITLED to receive the benefits
Skittles
(171,707 posts)the word entitlement simply means "the fact of having a right to something"
we are ENTITLED to a program we paid into all our working lives
SheltieLover
(80,454 posts)Skittles
(171,707 posts)very tired of repukes hijacking words
SheltieLover
(80,454 posts)
Pinback
(13,600 posts)This is one of the twists that Frank Luntz came up with, conflating "things all Americans deserve" with "handouts less worthy Americans demand." The "entitlements" framing says that "I deserve Social Security because I paid into it for forty fucking years" is somehow the same as freeloading.
And get ready for more Boomers vs. Gen-X divisiveness on this and Medicare, as well.
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)"Section 1104 of the 1935 Act, entitled "RESERVATION OF POWER," specifically said: "The right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision of this Act is hereby reserved to the Congress." Even so, some have thought that this reservation was in some way unconstitutional. This is the issue finally settled by Flemming v. Nestor."
https://www.ssa.gov/history/nestor.html#:~:text=IT%20IS%20TRUE%2C%20AS%20THE,ANY%20PROVISION%22%20OF%20THE%20ACT.
IronLionZion
(51,267 posts)and tell us "You are not entitled to anything". Sacrifices must be made. At some point we have to recognize that they find efficiencies by having us die faster.
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)
Random Boomer
(4,405 posts)We are ENTITLED to that money. "Entitlement" is not a slur, it's the very definition of those benefits. We paid in to the fund, so we are ENTITLED to the benefit.
Sheesh.
SheltieLover
(80,454 posts)Have a lovely day.
Bengus81
(10,164 posts)
A HERETIC I AM
(24,876 posts)Where you should start, you fucking dumbass
multigraincracker
(37,651 posts)Bengus81
(10,164 posts)Silent Type
(12,412 posts)It will be small, but enough to excite rubes. And even if they find few issues, they’ll make up something to reflect badly on Democrats, though it goes back decades.
Evolve Dammit
(21,774 posts)Cha
(319,067 posts)
Evolve Dammit
(21,774 posts)Cha
(319,067 posts)Fervent Hope, too.
They want to Destroy America from the Inside For their Puppet Master, Putin. Should sound Crazy But it's Not. 
Evolve Dammit
(21,774 posts)LoisB
(13,027 posts)
2naSalit
(102,789 posts)Falls from his face but I don't see any evidence that anything he says is fact.
Prove it, fuckface.
• A 2015 report found 6.5 million active Social Security numbers for people over the age of 112 – but only 13 of them were being used to receive benefits.
https://www.crfb.org/press-releases/fact-sheet-how-much-waste-fraud-and-abuse-there-social-security
Historic NY
(40,037 posts)Akoto
(4,301 posts)So, suffice to say, this stuff scares the crap out of me.
I receive SSI and Medicaid. It's a three digit sum to live off of monthly, but more importantly, the Medicaid helps me to get medications otherwise out of reach to assist with making my disability tolerable to live with. It ensures that I do not go into sudden withdrawal after taking these meds (yes, it happens with non-narcotic meds) and face a crisis of survival.
The unfortunate part is that, as I have been reading it, they intend to try and pass these cuts in the overall budget and so obfuscate the consequences from the people. They would endeavor to stop this action from being confronted by the AGs who have been working so hard lately, the judges who have taken stands, and so on. It'd get down to Congress saying no, and I hope they do on the bipartisan level. If people start losing their Social Security and medical benefits, they will very quickly wake up to what's happening and a lot of folks in the midterms will find themselves without constituents.
It's getting to the time of year where I see my specialists, and I've considered asking them to please come up with plans to wean me off of my medications due to the threats to Medicaid (among other programs). I can't imagine what my life would become, but there's a possibility that I won't have one if support suddenly goes dark.
BootinUp
(51,320 posts)
Marcuse
(9,010 posts)
Greg_In_SF
(1,245 posts)Of course there is fraud. If there wasn't, the SSA wouldn't have an entire webpage about it. The New York Times just had a big article about it last year. To say there in no Social Security fraud is just silly.
Disaffected
(6,401 posts)in a payment system as large as SS and I know of no-one who claims otherwise.. The actual concern is the claimed magnitude of the fraud - $100 billion per year is certainly something to be concerned about, if it is true that is.
halobeam
(5,096 posts)while he is shutting all of it down to make it more efficient.
I think the neighborhood streets would be in gridlock trying to GET to the protests if that were to happen.
Hey, maybe that's what they want.
And then trumpfuck can have his wet dream about "shooting protesters in the legs".
Meowmee
(9,212 posts)
eppur_se_muova
(41,939 posts)C'mon, Elon, if you can't quit playing w/drugs, at least stop listening to the voices in your head.
Dan
(5,179 posts)But I suspect that if President Musk fucks with SS and screws over a few (thousands or millions) that he'll create a lot of enemies, because when you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose.
I also think that if Trump/Musk had studied history they would realize that revolutions come from the middle class. They are throwing a shit load of middle class into desperate financial situations.
Cult members have to hit rock bottom to wake up. In a cardboard box for a home.
bluestarone
(22,177 posts)
usonian
(25,313 posts)They make cute calling cards to leave anywhere magats are losing bigly because of the wrecking crew they voted for.
Mariana
(15,626 posts)That wasn't an unreasonable expectation, because that's the way SS benefit cuts have been done before.
My husband is an immigrant (naturalized citizen) who gets SS retirement benefits. Some years ago I urged him to to get naturalized because it occurred to me that one day, they might cut off SS benefits to non-citizens.
keep_left
(3,210 posts)...for way too long a time. At some point, there have to be some consequences.
https://democraticunderground.com/100219955982#post16
They declare "democracy is done" after they have destroyed it.
https://democraticunderground.com/100219958419
https://democraticunderground.com/100219958419#post9
George Carlin was right. They want it all. They want to take back even the lousy concessions they had to make in the '60s and '70s.
https://democraticunderground.com/100219995386#post4
Sure. They cut SS or out & out dismantle it there will be ahuge public outrage.
But let's not forget they've installed a Dept.of Defense head who won't hesitate to turn the US Armed Forces on the civilian population.
DET
(2,499 posts)The American people will not stand for a sociopathic degenerate like Elon Musk confiscating our benefits. He’s going to fail. And he better have excellent protection from the MAGAts that he’s pissing off.
BBbats
(309 posts)And left & Blacks & Mexicans &&&&&& on & on.
You know the drill.
"There was nothing we could do to save it!"
And the MAGA's will buy it!
BadgerKid
(5,003 posts)But things like high credit card fees, underproportionate penalties for stock fraud, etc., are okay, apparently.
Figarosmom
(11,984 posts)Like so many other widows I collect my husband's benefits instead of mine. With an idiot like musk I can hear him saying " look at this, there are dead people collecting benefits".
He doesn't know anything about Social Security and has no business accessing it.
Silver Gaia
(5,361 posts)He doesn't understand squat shit about what he's mucking around with!
oasis
(53,693 posts)I guess I’ll fuck with poor folk’s money”. 
dchill
(42,660 posts)I got your gargantuan fraud right here! "Musk said he was told..." = "People are saying..."
moondust
(21,286 posts)Lawrence O'Donnell called him out on this BS earlier, noting that Eloon could have pretty easily showed us some evidence to support his claim. Of course he doesn't have any evidence.
eppur_se_muova
(41,939 posts)of 1875 for the "date of birth" field. If the DOB was unknown, it wasn't changed, so it APPEARS to be 1875 to some ignorant pup who didn't bother to fact-check his "discovery". Experienced SS employees maintain these old programs and databases and are familiar with the quirks of COBOL, and probably several other dead languages as well. If anyone had bothered to ask the people who work(ed) there, Turnip wouldn't have disgraced himself by announcing this stupid, careless misinterpretation as if it were fact. This is what you get when you rely on twenty-something whiz kids who are clearly way too impressed with their own AWESOME SKILLZ to realize how much they lack in experience, or in knowledge of anything that happened before their birth.
LudwigPastorius
(14,724 posts)declared fired a little over two weeks ago. He obviously wants to make it easier to commit a theft of our benefits.
The good news is that Mike Ware (who is also the IG of the Small Business Administration) refused to step down, firing off this letter to Trump's Director of Presidential Personnel:
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000194-a513-dd75-adfc-ad972d920000
I am writing in response to your email sent to me and other Inspectors General earlier this evening wherein you informed each of us that “due to changing priorities, your position as Inspector General . . . is terminated, effective immediately.”
As Chairperson of the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency (CIGIE), I recommend that you reach out to White House Counsel to discuss your intended course of action. At this point, we do not believe the actions taken are legally sufficient to dismiss Presidentially Appointed, Senate Confirmed Inspectors General.
Specifically, based upon the 2022 amendments to the Inspector General Act of 1978, the President must notify Congress 30 days prior to removal of an IG and provide “substantive rationale, including detailed and case-specific reasons” for such removal. 5 U.S.C. § 403(b), as amended by the section 5202(a) of the Securing Inspector General Independence Act of 2022 (Title LII, Subtitle A, of P.L. 117-263, 136 Stat. 2395, 3222). The requirement to provide the substantive rationale, including detailed and case specific reasons, was added to better enable Congress to engage on and respond to a proposed removal of an Inspector General in order to protect the independence of Inspectors General.
Should you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to me at Hannibal.Ware@sba.gov.
Sincerely,
Hannibal “Mike” Ware CIGIE Chairperson
Hope22
(4,746 posts)And he begins to hemorrhage more and more money. If we want to find fraud I suggest we look at his space project that we fund. I wonder why he didn’t start there.
Zenlitened
(9,541 posts)But I fear he can conjure up whatever sort of “data” suits him, now that he and his lackeys have been given keys to the whole damn place.
Security has been breached, data integrity is now suspect — if not outright corrupted.
Historic NY
(40,037 posts)
Roy Rolling
(7,632 posts)Isn’t this what got us into this orange goo to begin with? Free stories about every stupid thing an idiot does?
How about “a village is still missing its idiot” and save the word salad?
For-profit media is at it again…
Godot51
(781 posts)As don't almost all republicans/conservatives, little mind musk doesn't know the meaning of the word "entitlement".
Of course, what he really wants is to somehow get his dirty, sticky, little fingers in the pie so he can claim it all for himself.
All hail the little king trillionaire!
madamesilverspurs
(16,510 posts)By whom? Don Jr? Eric? Trump?
Doubts, I haz 'em.
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DFW
(60,182 posts)If someone “was told” that Trump had issued an executive order that Musk was to be buried in salt and squashed like a garden slug, with his total wealth transferred to Trump’s personal account on Grand Cayman, would that be acceptable, too?
Montauk6
(9,339 posts)Jimvanhise
(594 posts)If there was widespread fraud it would be easy for Musk to present evidence of it. It is like Ronald Reagan's welfare queens driving Cadillacs which were never found even though people who believed that nonsense looked long and hard.
Mountainguy
(2,145 posts)I want to know about it and stop it.
So go to congress and present the evidence for us to see!
Otherwise you are FOS.
red dog 1
(33,063 posts)On X, #HandsOffMySocialSecurity
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)
GReedDiamond
(5,549 posts)...fica etc deductions from their paychecks?
Which they will never be able to claim "in retirement" as they are ineligible for SocSec benefits because they are...wait for it:
UNDOCUMENTED!
Apparently that benefits the SocSec trust fund nearly 26 BILLION $$$$$ "in a single year."
Here is a link to a Newsweek (yeah, I know) article from July 30, 2024, with some details:
https://www.newsweek.com/undocumented-immigrants-social-security-payments-report-1931990
LiberalLoner
(11,467 posts)Dem4life1234
(2,533 posts)Who the fuck is he?
I swear he would never try this in any other part of the world but here because there are so many brainwashed anti government MAGAt morons. Some of it is jealousy because they have shitty jobs.
History isn't kind to these fascist jackasses, he needs to be deported.
Liberal In Texas
(16,270 posts)back the amount of money going out or cutting off many people entirely. He doesn't give a fig about the welfare of the population, he just wants to turn the government into some dystopian AI run dictatorship run by billionaires and soon trillionaires.
Martin Eden
(15,626 posts)THAT is completely false.
Musk has been empowered by Trump to DESTROY government processes and agencies that were created by Congress to serve the American people, and to SIEZE CONTROL of our nation's most sensitive computer systems and data, in order to replace our representative democracy with a techno-fascist authoritarian oligarchy.
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)"There has been a temptation throughout the program's history for some people to suppose that their FICA payroll taxes entitle them to a benefit in a legal, contractual sense. That is to say, if a person makes FICA contributions over a number of years, Congress cannot, according to this reasoning, change the rules in such a way that deprives a contributor of a promised future benefit. Under this reasoning, benefits under Social Security could probably only be increased, never decreased, if the Act could be amended at all. Congress clearly had no such limitation in mind when crafting the law. Section 1104 of the 1935 Act, entitled "RESERVATION OF POWER," specifically said: "The right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision of this Act is hereby reserved to the Congress." Even so, some have thought that this reservation was in some way unconstitutional. This is the issue finally settled by Flemming v. Nestor."
https://www.ssa.gov/history/nestor.html#:~:text=IT%20IS%20TRUE%2C%20AS%20THE,ANY%20PROVISION%22%20OF%20THE%20ACT.
Justice matters.
(9,787 posts)congre$$.
Emile
(42,289 posts)Best_man23
(5,268 posts)Some of the red hat Meal Team 6 brigade might just well go looking for some DOGE.
C_U_L8R
(49,384 posts)if these snot-smeared mfers touch our social security.
And if the magats ever wise up, they'd be pretty angry too.
Johnny2X2X
(24,207 posts)They've been telling us for decades who they are going to go after on Social Security first, the disabled.
They have been screaming since the early days of Rush Limbaugh that most of the people collecting social security disability insurance are just lazy and they're not "really disabled". I can practically guarantee that this is the group they arget first. And this is the group least capable of fighting back.
I think what Elon will do is just stop payment to a few million or so and see if they're "real". Then he'll force them to jump through hoops again to requalify, a process which can take months. And he'll target minorities of course.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Oneear
(431 posts)GOP wants to stop writing Checks
Joinfortmill
(21,162 posts)So, you go for it, Musky.
AllaN01Bear
(29,486 posts)DallasNE
(8,008 posts)Wild accusations not backed up with any evidence and then it's being reported as news. It is the exact same formula as McCarthyism.
travelingthrulife
(5,179 posts)Abstractartist
(446 posts)If musk and his little musketeers start in on Social Security and Medicare, you are going to see a response from the 70 million or so that are on it. I’m thinking vigilantism might not be off the table. You think the Republican Senators and house members are scared shitless of trump and his ilk, image huge groups of older people not giving a crap anymore.
valleyrogue
(2,715 posts)His pronouncements are just garbage.
IronLionZion
(51,267 posts)Share that with Congress, our elected representatives.
Maybe elderly Trump supporters might notice when their check is missing.
hadEnuf
(3,613 posts)This may very well be our modern equivalent of Fort Sumter.
It should be.
We need to revolt against this obvious looting. Peacefully and legally - to start.
Wiz Imp
(9,995 posts)He was told? So we destroy Social Security over a lie he was told. You don't even have to be very smart to know what he is saying is impossible. Social Security has records of every SS # ever issued (and unlike what many people may believe, just any random 9 digit number isn't necessarily a valid SSN. There are mathematical algorithms to assign SSNs and the SSA can look at any 9 digit number and immediately know if it is a valid SSN or not. Payments can only be made to valid SSNs.
It is likely that sometime SS benefits continue to be paid for some time after a recipient is deceased, but the system has mechanisms to quickly identify those situations and that money is required to be paid back. Actual SS Fraud is pretty rare with a large portion likely due to identity theft.
https://www.ssa.gov/fraud/#:~:text=Filing%20claims%20under%20another%20person's,Misusing%20grant%20or%20contract%20funds.
Medicare fraud is much more common, and the Republican Party has rewarded the biggest perpetrator of such fraud by making him a US Senator. But the Government isn't responsible for such fraud. The majority is committed by health care providers. It is they who should be targeted in fraud investigations.
https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/health-care-fraud
GoYouPackersGo
(233 posts)of what I have paid into Social Security. This statement from President Musk doesn't change my expectation whatsoever. It's my money but the oligarchs will confiscate it one way or another.
Efilroft Sul
(4,413 posts)
purr-rat beauty
(1,255 posts)....if musk just says he's certain than it must be true!
how about we see some concrete evidence of this "fraud" for once?
fuck this guy
LizBeth
(11,222 posts)
Old Crank
(7,077 posts)If not shown any it is just another lie.
returnee
(925 posts)…from Trumpholes. And we’re all expected to take their assertions as gospel and as justification for whatever they want to do.
kacekwl
(9,144 posts)America better warn musk/trump co. about fucking with SS , Medicare etc.
neohippie
(1,267 posts)"We examined these line items, as they have spread across social media," Kessler said. "By eliminating USAID’s website, the administration made harder to ascertain the details of some of these programs. But we determined that, as framed by the White House, only one claim — out of 12 — was accurate. After we highlighted key errors in the statement to the White House, we received a statement from spokeswoman Anna Kelly: 'This waste of taxpayer dollars underscores why the president paused foreign aid on day one to ensure it aligns with American interests.'"
https://www.newsbreak.com/raw-story-2096750/3795666152711-white-house-claims-about-usaid-ripped-apart-by-fact-checker-only-one-claim-was-accurate
JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)Who are 'receiving' Social Security.
This why people without an understanding of history or government shouldn't be anywhere near it.
He doesn't even know when Social Security started (1935).
Oh - also he farted, breathes, does his drug addict thing and never seems to OD.
SheltieLover
(80,454 posts)
Bluethroughu
(7,215 posts)pandr32
(14,272 posts)They had most on the right supporting efforts to rout legal and safe voting in Democratic areas. The same tactic is being used with our paid-into Social Security and for Social Security disability. Musk and his team of hackers are now ransacking the treasury, and the hackers are so skilled they have likely already gone way beyond SS and SSD.
Initech
(108,782 posts) 
barbtries
(31,308 posts)i am going to steal so much money right here in broad daylight and there's not a fucking thing you can do about it.
Martin68
(27,741 posts)to have found.
damifino10
(164 posts)In my view, WSF is commited every year when the cost of living is evaluated. They keep saying that the process needs to be evaluated because they know it is not the true figure they keep using. The 8+ percent we recently received sounded large but in my eyes it should have been closer to 20%. There were very few items that I purchase that were in the 8% range. Not even close. With no due respect for the collateral damage that the incoming tariffs are going to land on us, I am looking forward to seeing the SSI cost of living assessment and the real/true number that will be pronounced as the amount we will be given. Grin or growl, we have to accept it.
An old adage that I often find to be true, "Liars figure and figures lie."
milestogo
(23,082 posts)Are we just going to let him destroy our country like this?
Progressive dog
(7,602 posts)who needs to spend some time in prison before being sent back to his original home. He shared made up bullshit without even one piece of data.
Lokee11
(407 posts)He is NOT some Genius, he is NOT some Whiz kid - he is a rich boy who used Money to make Money and is successful because he was able to get smart people latched to him where their success tied into his success. FUCK ELMO!
The Question I keep on asking and repeating is -
If looking for fraud and fiscal inefficiencies - Why is DICK FACE not bringing in Financial AUDITORS instead of HACKERS?
THIS IS JUST BULL💩!!!!!
✊FDT&ELMO!!!
Quanto Magnus
(1,347 posts)is Elon himself...
Botany
(77,323 posts)We are truly screwed. Americans paid into the Social Security not Musk who has no
right to 1 penny of that money. Just call it a fraud and then take the money.
Magoo48
(6,721 posts)As for SS, our success in protecting SS will be directly related to how much ruckus affected Americans and their supporters create.
BarbD
(1,433 posts)Because that is when my check is automatically deposited. Now at age 87 I feel compelled to call my bank on February 27th to make sure it is there. I never use the F bomb, but I'm making an exception for Elon Musk. F... him!
lastlib
(28,262 posts)So of course he sees "fraud" all over the government.
elleng
(141,926 posts)but musk wouldn't understand that, he's not American.
RobinA
(10,478 posts)You guys rarely speak the truth, so evidence is necessary.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(135,700 posts)I paid into Social Security for fifty years. Keep your racist ketamine encrusted paws off it.
airplaneman
(1,386 posts)Millions of people who deserve benefits are going to see them stop without explanation or recourse. SS will be so inundated as to not be able to respond. I am in serious trouble if my SS payment stops. This is causing me a lot of stress. I know there are many others out there like me.
-Airplane
angrychair
(12,281 posts)There is no other possible answer. You go screwing with people's money like this, at this level, you are trying to foment conflict.
They want an excuse to declare Martial Law.
HarryM
(464 posts)1) Let them mess with seniors' Social Security. The entire party will have hell to pay, and fElon better keep those human shields on his shoulders more often.
2) Social Security is NOT an entitlement. We all paid into it. It is an investment for our retirement. For many it is the ONLY investment.
3) I am no longer calling it DOGE. It's called Dog-E, as in "bad doggy."
Vinca
(53,992 posts)Decades of work earned us the pittance they allow us.
Festivito
(13,890 posts)Sure they deserve to live decently when they have some malady that stifles their working potential.
BUT
Why do we stop taxing the riches of the wealthy to pay for these people?
Why do only the non-rich pay for these people?
FRAUD, I tells ya!
TAX ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP OF THEIR INCOME!
Aussie105
(7,920 posts)Neither Donald or Elon have an in depth understanding of how the SS system or the Government actually work, and with no granular understanding, will see waste in all the wrong places, and not see it where it actually exists.
But Elon has a gut feeling there is waste, so he is going to do it. 'Cutting waste is essential', he says.
If there are cuts, they will hurt people.
But that is the whole aim anyway.
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GreenWave
(12,641 posts)cstanleytech
(28,471 posts)Demobrat
(10,299 posts)But it’s not being committed by people in wheelchairs. It’s being committed by the people who do the billing. Sure, go after practitioners who bill the system for procedures not performed. Leave the patients alone.
mntleo2
(2,638 posts)Musk is a freaking liar and a filthy cheat. He was a lair from the moment he set foot in my country. I can hardly wait until he is gone ~ and i do not care what kind of "gone" he faces. Personally I will figure out how to piss and crap on his grave!
Cat in Seattle
Cha
(319,067 posts) 
City Lights
(25,826 posts)He thinks he's invincible. Drugs don't make exceptions for billionaires. Icarus is getting awfully close to the sun...
YoshidaYui
(45,409 posts)マスクは完全な泥棒だ!!
live love laugh
(16,383 posts)mitch96
(15,802 posts)
Shermann
(9,062 posts)The court of law remains the best venue to find the truth. Prove it in court, Dogebag.
soldierant
(9,354 posts)which is disbursed on and after a recipient reaches a particular age, is going to be vulnerable to fraud. I've never heard of anyone getting any younger.
slightlv
(7,790 posts)They've tried to kill it since it even prior to it being passed. And they've tried multiple ways since then, whittling away at it little bit by little bit... sometimes going in for a big bunch. For example, where did all the extra Boomer money go? We've been paying more simply by dent of who we are as a generation and the number of us, and yet they still say we're going broke. I think we should demand an accounting for black budgets and "petty cash" payouts. R's have done everything short of assassination and impeachment to rid themselves of this meddlesome bill that takes money out of their pockets. And, to think, what got the Libertarians all up in everybody's butt was they were incensed they had to pay into FICA on their first $250k of a salary (although they find ways to get their money without it being called a salary). Just the mere thought of them being on par with us Dick and Jane Does was enough to drive them literally crazy. No wonder they're willing to lie and exaggerate about SS.
I've not seen widespread support among the R's, as a whole, for cutting SS. But this could quickly change if trump really starts kicking their butts to get it done. We know they have no spines.
First thing I did this morning when wakening was to check my account to see if my and hubby's SS checks were DD. I breathed a sigh of relief when seeing them listed as "deposited." Although with other ops today, it seems trump and musk can just dip into a bank account anytime they want and take out however much they want. And I remember the day when we first all began arguing about privacy. Man, is THAT a joke now!
misanthrope
(9,495 posts)because they aren't going to come right out and alienate voters. But they still want to do it. If Trump provides them the cover for doing so, they will fall right in line.
Historic NY
(40,037 posts)Social Security Insurance, SSDI. which are different
https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-11051.pdf]
https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10096.pdf]
Eliot Rosewater
(34,285 posts) 
ThoughtCriminal
(14,721 posts)He is not covered by so called "Absolute Presidential Immunity". He is not covered by "Presidential Immunity"
If called to testify before Congress he cannot use those claims. The only thing saving him right now is a very thin Republican majority. That could change even before the mid-terms and he is gambling that it won't happen before the Constitution ceases to exist.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,484 posts)I am so sick of RWers saying he has found widespread fraud. They believe it simply because he's said it! This is insane. Just like the believe every damn thing Pissolini says with no proof!