Well, the Trump administration officially just sold Ukraine out. Not that anyone should be surprised.

[Tommy Carcetti]

But there were people who actually insisted that Trump would be harsher against Putin and Russia than Biden ever was.

Secretary Whiskey Pete just proclaimed that Ukraine's not going to get their lost territory back, that they're not getting into NATO, and any security guarantees Ukraine is going to be Europe's responsibility alone and that the US wants no part of it.

Motherfucker.

[Lovie777]

1. Ukraine will get their lands back, and Europe will help protect them...................

Unfortunate, at this point in time, no membership in NATO, but maybe that will change, fingers crossed.

[Tommy Carcetti]

2. Unfortunately, Ukraine can no longer count on the US as an ally.

That's rather sad.

But hopefully Europe stays strong and Ukraine stays strong and Russia is worn down by attrition.

[NJCher]

6. Yes it is sad

But it was expected and planned for by our allies. Biden got them all he could before he left—$500 million.

[sinkingfeeling]

11. What country can?

[DFW]

12. Europe's resources are limited, but solidarity here with the Ukrainians is strong. Efforts will be made.

No one here in EU-land is under any illusion that the Trump regime is going to rise above the level of "useless" any time soon.

[returnee]

41. If Europe allocates more resources to Ukraine...

….then they may be vulnerable from other lines of attack. An invasion of Greenland, for instance. Or something else. Speculation, of course. But I think Putin has thought this out several steps ahead.

[Dave says]

53. Maybe Europe can put a 100% duty on all US goods, paid for by the seller, to raise funds for Ukraine

Unfortunately that would be step 2 or 3 towards the coming Trump/Musk Global Depression. And it wouldn't raise much as the US would likely greatly curtail the goods sold to Europe. But we're headed for a depression anyway, so Europe might as well take a shot.

[Justice matters.]

20. The "actual" NATO needs to get the "actual" US of A (fascist dictatorship)

OUT.

The "new" fascist dictatorship threatens it's own neighbors ffs!

Britain and France also have nukes to deter putin (unless he wants to kill the human race on his way down).

[erronis]

26. Agree. Since the mump regime hates NATO they should be kicked out.

The only reason that they would stay in NATO is to wreck it - similar to Manchin and Sinema.

[eppur_se_muova]

3. Those last two stipulations could be resolved if ...

... the US withdraws from NATO, something which Turnip has been pushing for since his first term, at least.

If US withdraws, NATO loses access to US funds and manpower, but gains a freer hand than they'll have with this maladministration.*









*A word apparently recognized by DU's spellcheck. Thanks, mods !

[jojog]

7. Someone needs to tell Trump

The rare elements come from the Donbas region.

[eppur_se_muova]

13. Don't tell him -- he'll insist Russia gets to keep it, then suck up to Putin again !

Putin may be pissed at Turnip, but like Turnip, he's transactional, without any permanent principles. He'd love a deal like that.

[Geechie]

17. Cut & run, or...

The other members could say hey US stop talking about it, because YOU’re FIRED!

And don’t let the door hit ya on the way out.

[Omnipresent]

4. I remember something about putin wanting Alaska returned to Russia.

Should we let Ukraine fall, so the Russian military can focus its full strength on that endeavor?

[Lovie777]

8. shithole musk may just give putin Alaska......................

[moonshinegnomie]

5. maladministration. i love it

[BoRaGard]

9. "Lovely betrayal, my republicon comrades." - Pooty (R)

[sinkingfeeling]

10. Too bad I've paid quarterly estimated income taxes or I wouldn't bother to file this year. I do not want my tax

dollars supporting this TSF fascist regime.

[eppur_se_muova]

14. After what he did to the Kurds, nothing can be surprising. nt

[Wounded Bear]

15. This...nt

[William Seger]

16. The Free World needs a new leader

I sincerely hope there's someone who can step up.

[IronLionZion]

18. Don't worry, they're selling the US out too

Putin finally defeated America. GOP will sell their own mothers for a quick buck.

[Martin Eden]

19. Whiskey Pete does not make those decisions

But I don't doubt he is articulating the Trump policy.

[WestMichRad]

25. Yeah, they're both fulla shit.

NATO should expel the US for trying to dictate policy for countries in the European sphere of influence.

[kelly1mm]

57. There is no mechanism to expel a NATO member. A NATO member may withdraw (with a 1 year delay) but

cannot be forced out per the NATO charter.

[WestMichRad]

58. Ok. I didn't know that.

Member nations may soon regret that limitation.

[returnee]

42. The Putin policy. n/t

[Wiz Imp]

21. So how long now until Trump announces the US is pulling out of NATO?

I say 2 weeks - a month tops.

[William Seger]

24. Kind of a formality, I'd say; they know now they can't count on us as allies

We're talking about stealing land from one of them!

[PortTack]

47. He cannot pull out of NATO with a stroke of his pen. A bill passed and signed by President Biden requires

2/3rds of the congress and senate to pull out

[Wiz Imp]

49. That's the law. He obviously couldn't care less about the law.

I fully expect him to issue an Executive Order declaring the US is no longer part of NATO. Sure it's illegal and the courts will rule against him, but that will not stop him from trying it.

[ReRe]

54. If we pull out of NATO

Our ass is grass.

[Wiz Imp]

56. I fully expect World War 3 soon where the US fights alone. We will have no allies.

And in fact, half of the US population will not support our "leaders". I know I won't.

[ReRe]

59. What else could we assume at this point?

The man is totally out of his everloving mind. He's isolating us from our closest allies, Canada & Mexico, with these tariffs; he's riling up the Middle East with this delusion of "taking" Gaza to develop real estate, and driving the Palestinians out. And for all the world, it looks like he's trying to kill us from within and at the same time kill as many people as possible on the other side of the world by shutting down U.S.A.I.D. He's destabilizing us all way around. He is our biggest National Security threat!

[surfered]

22. Apparently they just don't like democracies. Glad these guys weren't around in1939.

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[Joinfortmill]

23. I hope NATO steps up. As for Whiskey Pete, 'Fuck him, too.'

[bmichaelh]

27. Question his voters did not ask

So, you want a businessman to run the government like a business.

With all of his Trump's bankruptcies and business failures, would you allow Trump to run your business?

Trump is no great businessman.

At the age of 18, he was already a wealthy individual because his father put him on the payroll.

There are Americans that started with much less than Trump like Michael Bloomberg, that are worth more than Trump several times over.

[OhioTim]

30. Not In Bloomburg's League, But

apparently Trump has made a few billion off of the presidency

[Bluethroughu]

28. The drunk scumbag should have NEVER been confirmed.

What a loser, the republicans are, scum.

[thinkingagain]

29. I wonder how evil T would feel if

We pushed his fence down at
Mar log go
And took over a portion of it

To me it is much the same thing

Taking something that doesn’t belong to you
With out a payment or a deal made first

[Submariner]

31. We could have convicted the traitor Tuberville of aiding and abetting the enemy

for causing the fall of Putin to stumble, when he acted on Trump's behalf to upset the necessary and strategic military command movement of key personnel into key military command positions. But Harris lost, so nothing is going to happen.

During the Cold War we called them traitors. Now they're just the everyday republican.

[NoMoreRepugs]

32. So to all the old vets that voted for the ShitStain - how you feeling now that we turned our backs on someone

FIGHTING THE MOTHERFUCKING RUSSIANS?????????????

I can't see straight at the moment - going outside to vent.....

[Evolve Dammit]

33. Well, that didn't take long for Whisky Pete (a week??). I really hate these assholes. Zero moral compasses. nt

[pfitz59]

34. Hegseth is bad news

A drunken lout with a sordid past. Nothing good will come of his tenure.

[neohippie]

35. Trump doesn't get to tell two independent countries what to do

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Ukraine and Russia are the two countries that need to find a way to end the war.

Trump cannot make either of them reach an agreement that they don't want to accept

He can try to broker a deal but ultimately he is not in a position to force the two to agree to his terms

[Initech]

43. We knew Putin was up to no good.

And we should have done something when we had the chance. Instead our Congress and SCOTUS got captured by MAGA lunatics and Fox News content creators. Now it will go down in history as one of the world's biggest intelligence failures.

[Crunchy Frog]

69. If russia gets its way, Ukraine won't exist as a country anymore,

let alone an independent one.

Russia's way of "ending the war" is by the complete obliteration of Ukraine.

The way to bring about a realistic "agreement" is to give Ukraine a maximum amount of military assistance.

[orangecrush]

36. No words.

[surfered]

37. Was he sober when he said that?

[DallasNE]

38. Not Staying In His Lane

Here he is stepping on Rubio's toes.

He also says America wants to absolve itself of responsibility while setting the parameters. He can't have it both ways as surely this will flop. It also shows how simplistic Trump's mind is that he can't see the inconsistency in his position. It will be a long, rough ride ahead.

[maxsolomon]

39. And that's quid pro quo for Marc Fogel.

Everything Putin wanted for a dumb pothead.

[murielm99]

40. Checking to see if this works.

I could not post here earlier.

[AverageOldGuy]

44. Who is next?

Poland?
Hungary?
Eastern half of Germany?

Watch for European states to ramp up their militaries and here we go to WW III.

[2naSalit]

45. Why do I keep getting this mental image...

Of him not lasting very long as though he may soon be joining an underground network that introduces him to composting on a personal level?

[HereForTheParty]

46. The other members of NATO

Have approximately the same GDP as the United States. They have also provided a similar amount of aid. Don't buy the stuff about the US is carrying more than their share of the load.

[PortTack]

48. Bingo...the EU prepared for this and they have stepped up their commitment including giving Ukraine

300 billion dollars worth of frozen oligarch assets.

And Ukraine is now making a lot of their own munitions.

The EU will never let Putin take Ukraine

All the same what a shit stain on this country for what they are doing!

[Tommy Carcetti]

50. Update: Trump on Good Value Twitter

Fellating Vladimir Putin.

"You hang up."
"No, you hang up."
"No, YOU hang up!"

Link to tweet

[underpants]

52. You nailed it.

[Tommy Carcetti]

61. Meanwhile, Trump shoves Zelensky off on glorified Muppet JD Vance.

The difference in treatment is quite telling, IMHO.

Link to tweet

[Moostache]

51. A burning question comes to my mind after that sordid servicing of Vladimir...

WHo is Trump's jizz mopper when Putin finishes on him?

[Eliot Rosewater]

55. If anyone has a family member in the military please warn them

The piece of shit is about to order them to march side-by-side with Putin‘s soldiers to invade Europe.

[ReRe]

60. As for NATO?

Things might get so bad that they kick us out and take Ukraine in. Wouldn't that just be dandy for our National Security?
I would not put anything past these megalomaniacs with all three branches of the government in their pocket.

[Freethinker65]

62. Rename NATO with Ukraine in and US out.

Europe protects Ukraine.

U. S. gets shunned and isolated as Putin intended.

No NATO country can ever depend on the U.S. as long as Musk/Trump are in power anyway.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

63. How long until T***p ends all sanctions and requires Ukraine to repay Russia's

costs related to the "special operation"? He's already saying we're going after the country's precious minerals.

Felon47 will never call it a "war" or insist on reparations to Ukraine, nor even mention war crimes, no matter how much evidence there is.

Despite legal requirements concerning keeping all presidential records, I bet there's not a page of notes on what was discussed during that 90 minutes. Like any mob boss, T***p puts nothing on paper -- that's why he would snatch the interpreter's notes and tear them to bits at meetings during his first term. That is, if he allowed an American interpreter in the room, which I imagine is usually required.

[Hope22]

64. They don't really know do they.

Maybe we will get kicked out and NATO will fight for Ukraine.

[Dan]

65. The real sad part is that

Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons because we (US) guaranteed support against Russia. At least, that is the way I remember things some years ago.

[electric_blue68]

66. I'd be very upset even if I Wasn't 2nd Gen Half Ukrainian-American! I HATE Bullues!

😬😞
NYC'r here. NYC has the largest Ukrainian-American population in the USA; Little Ukraine in The East Village.

I'm glad I don't know via my dad's dad, and mom (all gone) if I have any distant cousins there. It'd be too sad!

[demosincebirth]

67. I didn't expect anything different.

[Skittles]

68. I did nazi that coming

oh wait - yes I did