Chris Hayes: Musk's DOGE crew just straight up *took* $80 million from an NYC bank account!

[Dennis Donovan]

Chris Hayes
‪@chrislhayes.bsky.social‬
This is absolutely insane. Musk’s DOGE crew just straight up *took* $80 million from an NYC bank account!

‪George Pearkes‬ ‪
@peark.es‬
57m
Okay what is going on here. Are the accounts at a private banking entity? Does the federal government have direct debit permission set up? So many questions as to how Treasury instructed this payment. (Via NY Post’s Craig McCarthy)

February 12, 2025 at 2:39 PM

This is absolutely insane. Musk’s DOGE crew just straight up *took* million from an NYC bank account!

— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes.bsky.social) 2025-02-12T19:39:43.532Z

[Meowmee]

1. Fucking hell if true

Who will arrest them all now? At what point will someone do something? A betrayal? It’s theft and is illegal.

[malthaussen]

42. It's an official release from the Comptroller...

... not some random rumor by Internet Guy.

-- Mal

[Meowmee]

66. I posted this after reading it here without reading about it elsewhere first

Reason why I said that

[colorado_ufo]

60. Well, of course that's why the little bastards are in there - not to look for "fraud."

If they were looking for fraud, they would be accompanied, at least, by accountants. They were/are setting everything up to do whatever they want whenever they want.

[Meowmee]

67. Yes I understand that obviously

Now what is anyone going to do about it. What accounts did the money go back / into?

[colorado_ufo]

83. Where, indeed?

[bpj62]

85. Completely Legal

In 2017 my mother passed away in January and I notified the Social Security Administration of her passing and they told me that a deposit had been made for her February check. I asked if I needed to cut them a check and they told me no because they could pull the funds back. I am quite sure that any funds given by the federal government via bank transfer can be recalled.

Here is the scary thing, Musk has access to the Treasury payment system so what will stop him from simply recalling medicare, Medicaid. SSN payments. I believe that is how they are going to end SSN by simply refusing to send out the monthly payments and recalling the rest. Just to be cruel they will start with blue states first. States like California, New York and Illinois better be vigilant with the federal money that they currently have because this is how Trump is going to punish them by taking the federal funding back.

[Oneear]

2. How to make a with drawl from a bank

Something to talk about

[FBaggins]

4. Likely not a "withdrawal"

Sounds like they reversed a wire transfer.

Given the context - this sounds like the funds that just got four FEMA employees fired.

[WarGamer]

9. It's the NYC hotels that were booked by FEMA.

[FBaggins]

21. Not booked by FEMA

The FEMA program reimburses states/cities for some of their housing expenses… but they don’t pick hotels

[WarGamer]

23. A distinction without a difference, my friend.

[blm]

39. Customs and Border Protection funds DHS tapped FEMA to administer.

Just as they did during Trump’s first term.

[dpibel]

43. You forgot "luxury"

I believe the proper characterization is "luxury hotels."

Also, that whole wad was not for hotels, luxury or not. In fact, the hotel part was only about a quarter of it.

I'm pretty sure that's a distinction and also, in addition, a difference.

[Meowmee]

13. Don't they need bank approval etc to do that on that amount?

[FBaggins]

24. Not necessarily

If the funds are still there and they say the transaction was unauthorized… particularly when the ask if coming from the feds

[Meowmee]

65. Hmm I wonder about that.

The bank that has the money just lets them take back 80 m with no requirements.

[FBaggins]

69. Probably - not that they necessarily have a choice

It’s rhetorically useful to refer to this as Musk pulling back money - but the reality is that this is the federal government. Banks can’t afford to say no.

[brakester]

46. I live in Western NC where Helene tore this place up!

What the heck??!!
What will happen to the cleanup and rebuilding of this devastated area?

We still need $$$$$$$ over many years. Where is it going to come from?

Will this be the end of this lovely area?

Not all who lost their homes even have temporary housing yet!

What about the people who lost their lives?

The orangefelon is morally bankrupt and fits the profile of the ANTI-CHRIST.

Will no one rid us of this meddling president?

Are we now all Thomas Beckets?

[Traildogbob]

63. WNC as well

I never watch WLOS from Asheville, pure Sinclair.
While watching a network series last night the local news had a spot, alerting to the headline news at 11:00 PM. It was a story about all the storm victims still waiting for millions promised by FEMA, “where did the money go?”
As stated above I did not watch, may as well be Fux.
I would bet a check it was all blame onJoe and the Corrupt FEMA, and Trump will get us that money ASAP. Never mention Trump is ending FEMA. (Or how ELUMP will pay it themselves. :sarcasm

[allegorical oracle]

57. Did Eric Adams pay the $$ back in return for the dismissal of his court case?

asking for a friend.

[Frasier Balzov]

3. The switch at Treasury has three settings.

On, off and clawback.

[Mike 03]

5. Kicking, recommended

and bookmarked.

[ecstatic]

6. the question we've been asking all along is: who will stop him/them?

And it appears the answer is: nobody.

[Bengus81]

7. Gawd!! If only we still had Merrick Garland........

[lostnfound]

82. ROFL good one

[questionseverything]

10. Nyc didn't realize their bank accounts had "back doors "

[Dennis Donovan]

11. Yashar Ali: the DOGE team raided New York City's bank accounts and illegally clawed back $80 million in federal funding

Yashar Ali 🐘
‪@yasharali.bsky.social‬
The New York City Comptroller says Elon Musk and the DOGE team raided New York City’s bank accounts and illegally clawed back $80 million in federal funding.

February 12, 2025 at 3:44 PM

The New York City Comptroller says Elon Musk and the DOGE team raided New York City’s bank accounts and illegally clawed back million in federal funding.

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yasharali.bsky.social) 2025-02-12T20:44:36.124Z

[orangecrush]

12. Kick

[MadameButterfly]

14. So this is how they're going to do it

Just take the money they want. Skip Congress altogether. Not even pretending to pass laws.
If they can do this, they can take any money from anybody. The Treasury is their piggy bank.

What would it take to convince MAGAs and SCOTUS they've gone too far?

[dalton99a]

17. +1

[TommyT139]

75. "they can take from anybody"...if FDIC goes away.

You saying that made me recall a couple of news items from mid-December, when Trump and Elon were quoted as discussing getting rid of the FDIC.

Back then Reuters said experts thought it would be a "heavy lift," but since then so many unthinkables have happened that it seems way more feasible. Yes, that's how fast they are moving the Overton window.


https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/trump-advisers-reported-plan-ease-banking-oversight-may-not-get-required-support-2024-12-13/

[MadameButterfly]

81. I guess I don't understand FDIC role in this

I know it insures banks. But could people take money out of other people's accounts before the FDIC?

[AdamGG]

84. What would it take to convince MAGAs and SCOTUS they've gone too far?

For the MAGAt's, the feds would need to clawback money from red states/swing states. When it's foreign aid and money for immigrants in NYC, those morons are probably cheering.

[Festivito]

15. Shutdown says don't send. Receiver believes it won't get. Sent, not received, INTERCEPTED.

And no one knows enough to complain.

[dalton99a]

16. Who else did they do this to?

[Evolve Dammit]

18. NY still has an AG, right? Not under the thumb of DOJ? File charges and arrest the perps pending trial? nt

[kkmarie]

19. This is what I'm afraid of

For my own personal accounts. I have had this feeling that they will use the banking info in the Treasury system to clean out people's accounts. If they can deposit money they can withdraw money. I have done some research on this and there are steps that need to be taken by the Treasury/IRS to do this but with no government in place there are no rules. Yes I'm a little freaked out and maybe some may say to much so. But I really don't put anything past them.

[Joinfortmill]

30. I'm with you. And it's not just Muskrat, it's whoever else has access to the data.

[Lonestarblue]

62. Like the 20-somethings with no integrity that Musk is using to raid Treasury.

[rainin]

35. close that account or at least, empty it

[multigraincracker]

45. If you haven't already, freeze your credit now.

[yellow dahlia]

51. We are in a Chicken Little moment.

[crud]

20. Shut down DOGE now!

Shut down Musk now!

[DallasNE]

22. So Much For Read-Only Access nt

[yellow dahlia]

52. Exactly!!!

[Justice matters.]

61. Bondi(t) lawyers admitted in Courts of Law it's read-write access...

in their filings. They know they can't lie there otherwise they could lose their license.

[DallasNE]

73. Is That All Of The Access They Had?

How about Insert, Delete, and Rewrite access, also called I-O. I mean this is like pushing the hand into the cookie jar. What else did they think would happen? Heads must roll for allowing this to happen - all of the way up to and including Musk. This makes Teapot-Dome look like small potatoes.

Also, see my post #72, below, where I say I virtually predicted something like this was going to happen and this was when I thought it was Read-Only access. Even that raised red flags with me.

[AZJonnie]

77. These guys have full CRUD privs on these systems

And as you say, it's not going to end well. Nobody is ever going to hold them account, and they know it. Trump launched a goddamn insurrection and violent attack on the Capital, based completely on lies, and then he got re-elected 4 years later. Trump and Musk are going to steal whatever isn't nailed down, and then whine 'politics waaaah! weaponization waaaah!!!' if anyone tries to do anything. Plus Musk has more $$$ than God. He's untouchable anyway cause of the lawyers he can afford. The question is not 'will we collectively be massively ripped off?' it's rather a question of how many TRILLIONS will they outright steal, and how much will they give away in tax cuts to their billionaire buddies?

[DallasNE]

86. That Is Pretty Obvious

There is no reason they should have access to the live, production files. My suggestion was to give them a copy of back-up files for their research. People need to go to jail for this super sized bank heist. And that is what it really is.

[Liberal In Texas]

25. I hope NY issues an arrest warrant for theft. Musk has no authority to rob bank accounts.

Arrest him.

[Baron2024]

58. Right On

Musk is not immune from prosecution like Trump and Trump can't pardon Musk if he is convicted of State charges. Arrest Musk ASAP!

[LiberalArkie]

59. Yes they do.. Just like if a buddy of yours who worked at a bank sent you 10 million. Once the

bank found out, they would fire the person, claim it was fraudulent and take it back...

[Liberal In Texas]

71. And the buddy would be prosecuted.

File a warrant to arrest Musk!

[Raven123]

26. Did they steal from EVERY state, or just the one Trump hates?

Time to find out

[DENVERPOPS]

38. We already found out

during the Covid crisis !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trump's incestuous daughter and Jared took charge of ALL personal protective equipment in the U.S. stockpiles, as well as any shipments incoming to the U.S. Then they gave it out to RED states, (at an outrageous markup), and not BLUE states. DeSantis got THREE TIMES what he ordered for Florida, Massachusetts got NOTHING......
A Massachusetts Oligarch, sent his personal transport planes to China to pickup huge amounts and bring them back direct to Boston.
And told them not to stop anywhere, and to ignore customs. When the planes landed in Boston, he parked them out on the tarmac, the Governor had them surrounded/protected by National Guard, and had the State Patrol provide ARMED escorts of the shipments from the planes to the hospitals......... Mass. WAS FORCED to do this because Ivanka and Jared were having ALL SHIPMENTS of PPE coming into the US be confiscated by U.S. Customs, and added to their stockpile to sell.......

[surfered]

27. By Subpoena, court order, what?

[questionseverything]

48. When a computer hacker has installed a back door

They don’t need anything else

[surfered]

49. "No due process" is their MO now.

[yellow dahlia]

53. We all knew this ability was being created.

But they were gaslighting us for even thinking such things.

Scott Bessent is a fucking traitor.

[questionseverything]

64. If it's possible, eventually it will be done

We need systems in place to prevent damage

Although I’m afraid we are past that now

[C_U_L8R]

28. Start seizing Federal assets in NYC as see what happens.

NYC might not dare and it may not be very productive, but it sure would be satisfying to see the Trump bullies get a good smack in face.

[Joinfortmill]

29. Hope someone - anyone is investigating Musk.

[Arazi]

31. Feels like Pritzker will seize Trump Tower Chicago if he tries that shit w IL

Isn’t there a Trump Tower NYC?

Or go after a few Tesla dealerships…

Time to get creative 🤬

[yellow dahlia]

54. I like the way your mind thinks.

[oldmanlynn]

32. The state of New York should go, put his ass in jail

It would seem to me like this is some sort of violation of New York State law

[Kid Berwyn]

33. Don't worry, President Musk is on the case.

Soon, he'll be ready to report having emptied all NYC banking accounts.

Jawohl!

[Alice Kramden]

34. K&R

Bookmarked

[progressoid]

36. Then they'll spend 30 million on legal fees fighting over it.

[mackdaddy]

37. If they can make a direct deposit, they can make a direct withdrawal just as easy.

When my mother passed right after a SS direct deposit, they sucked it back out of her bank account the day after her passing.

Musk and DOGE have all of our bank account if we have ever gotten a direct deposit from SS or any government agency. And they can empty them just as fast.

[yellow dahlia]

56. It is why we moved money out of our direct deposit accounts.

Can we believe we are here!!!???

[Exp]

40. OMG. Kick

[Harker]

41. Anyone seen ol' swaggering Adams lately?

I will look forward to his statement.

[Solly Mack]

44. ...

[Buddyzbuddy]

47. Good way to start a run on banks, comrade.

This doesn't affect our personal accounts, yet. But it creates insecurity in our banking system because it shows how easily the Felon and his den of thieves can reach in and take what they want.

[Faux pas]

55. The plan is to own

us all and have all the country's money.

[quakerboy]

68. payment for letting the mayor skate?

[Ruby the Liberal]

70. Amazing what can be done with "read only" access

[FBaggins]

74. I think that's commonly misunderstood

Musk and his "tech teens" don't need to have anything beyond read-only access to get the information and pass it along to the politically appointed staff that actually run the given department. They obviously have all the access they need to make changes.

[AZJonnie]

78. That's a good clarification ... but incomplete.

Even if what you asserted were accurate it would fail to prove that they lack CRUD privileges on the systems. Probably wise to consider it a high likelihood that they, in fact, may, regardless of the mechanics of this one particular scenario.

[DallasNE]

72. I Virtually predicted Something Like This Was Goint To Happen

And followed up with the way to prevent this from happening. It was all recorded in a Facebook exchange with my Congressman, Don Bacon (R-NE). Below is that exchange. The only edit is to mask out last names.

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Dallas GGGG
Musk’s security access level should be “browse” rather than the higher “read only” access. He has no need for this level of access. This needs to be corrected immediately. This is technical but it comes into play with concurrent access and there is no reason to risk disruption that becomes possible with read only access but not with browse access. This is pretty basic stuff.
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Dallas GGGG Wow, you don't know what you're talking about. There is no "browse" access, it is read-only. And read-only is just that, he can't make changes to anything, at all. (20 year IT pro)
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Dallas GGGG
Breland RRRR I have now been retired for 15+ years but before that I was a mainframe IT pro for over 40 years. We had both ACF2 for file level security access and our online system (CICS) had it's own security package at the record level. I will confess that I no longer recall which security package used the term "browse" to define the security permissions but I don't make this stuff up. Share options come into play too where you address much of that with your scheduling software. Reread my first post and you should realize I was only calling attention to performance issues and not claiming that read only allows data manipulation of any kind.
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Breland RRRR
Dallas GGGG Read-only access doesn't allow for disruptions. That's the lowest level of access anyone can have. The situation at hand is at it should be.
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Dallas GGGG
Breland RRRR Actually, they should have no need for live "production" files so they should be using a set of back-up files for their research anyway. That way they would be in a static environment where they can play around all they want. I just think that the risk level is too high, as described. When finished I would recommend scrubbing the set of files to prevent hacking.
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Dallas GGGG
Breland RRRR After this conversation ended we learned that the security was opened up briefly and the system got updated - exactly why I said they should only have access to a set of back-up files and not the hot production files. Now, today, we find out that $80 million is missing from a New York bank. At this point, heads need to roll because of the loosy-goosy nature of these probes that cannot be trusted. I had a feeling in my bones that something bad, like this, was about to happen. Security must be taken seriously precisely to prevent these inside jobs from happening. The risk level was simply too high, as I said.

[Bluethroughu]

76. He has everyones accounts! He's a foreign asset.

When is the head brass going to throw hogbreath out on his ass, and arrest the trump administration?

[kelly1mm]

79. It was the acting director of FEMA that clawed back the funds, not Elon Musk. nt

[no_hypocrisy]

80. So, where is the $80 million RIGHT NOW???