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If TSF takes the U.S. out of NATO, then what's to stop (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Feb 2025 OP
Ukraine could then apply, but.... lastlib Feb 2025 #1
Neither could Rebl2 Feb 2025 #2
If the US leaves NATO what would be the point in joining? Llewlladdwr Feb 2025 #3
Smaller countries on the borders of the former USSR desperately need strong allies & protectors... Hekate Feb 2025 #7
Other countries can still block them DetroitLegalBeagle Feb 2025 #4
President Musk and VP Trump are Russian assets Dan Feb 2025 #5
What is to stop Putin from taking all of Europe. This is starting to look like WWII Putin doc03 Feb 2025 #6

lastlib

(28,271 posts)
1. Ukraine could then apply, but....
Thu Feb 13, 2025, 05:43 PM
Feb 2025

I would expect other members (Turkey/Erdogan) to block it.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
7. Smaller countries on the borders of the former USSR desperately need strong allies & protectors...
Thu Feb 13, 2025, 06:46 PM
Feb 2025

As you should know, Putin’s overriding ambition is to regain the old borders of the USSR, as he has said he believes its breakup was the biggest catastrophe in history.

Ever since trump’s first term, I have thought that our (former) European allies really need to reassess and reconstitute the treaties that helped make the US so formidably powerful in the second half of the 20th century. Trump has made it clear he has no idea what NATO is for — the way he describes it is like a protection racket with other countries paying Trump to be bullied by him.

So what is the point in joining NATO at this time? What do you think? Trump has betrayed Zelinsky, as he will anyone who stands up to him. Other nations who don’t want this new world order must band together.



DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,504 posts)
4. Other countries can still block them
Thu Feb 13, 2025, 06:10 PM
Feb 2025

Admission must be unanimous and Turkey and Hungary are the likely no votes.

Also, the US leaving means NATO loses the bulk of its military strength and probably 95% of its heavy lift logistic capabilities. Also something like 90% of its nuclear weapons.

Dan

(5,179 posts)
5. President Musk and VP Trump are Russian assets
Thu Feb 13, 2025, 06:30 PM
Feb 2025

But if memory serves me, Congress passed something that prevents the POTUS from getting out of NATO.

But, this was before

This chicken-shit Congress we have now.

So suspect that they will pass something that allows fearless leaders to do Putin’s biddings.

doc03

(39,086 posts)
6. What is to stop Putin from taking all of Europe. This is starting to look like WWII Putin
Thu Feb 13, 2025, 06:33 PM
Feb 2025

and Orbon can control Europe, China Asia and the US America.That can't end well.



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