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To hear Trump tell it, Elon Musks DOGE operation has already uncovered massive fraud and waste. Reality tells a very different story.
White House struggles to back up baseless claims about âfraudulentâ spending
— Turquoise Cat ðð»âï¸ (@turquoise-cat.bsky.social) 2025-02-13T18:23:44.743Z
To hear Trump tell it, Elon Muskâs DOGE operation has already uncovered âmassiveâ fraud and waste. Reality tells a very different story.
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To hear Trump tell it, Elon Musks DOGE operation has already uncovered massive fraud and waste. Reality tells a very different story.
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/white-house-struggles-back-baseless-claims-fraudulent-spending-rcna192024
The presidents numbers do not come anywhere close to matching figures posted on the DOGE account on X, Musks social media site.... We added up all the figures posted, taking most of them at face value, though virtually no documentation was presented. The numbers add up to about $6 billion a year.
The Post gave the White House an opportunity to dispute the findings. It did not.
Around the same time that fact-check report was published, reporters asked White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt to substantiate the presidents excessive claims about the DOGE operations successes. Trumps chief spokesperson waved around pieces of paper showing federal expenditures that the White House believes are at odds with the presidents agenda.
The answer, of course, is that everyone should take issue because the boasts arent true. A fact-check report in The Washington Post explained:
The presidents numbers do not come anywhere close to matching figures posted on the DOGE account on X, Musks social media site.... We added up all the figures posted, taking most of them at face value, though virtually no documentation was presented. The numbers add up to about $6 billion a year.
The Post gave the White House an opportunity to dispute the findings. It did not.
Around the same time that fact-check report was published, reporters asked White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt to substantiate the presidents excessive claims about the DOGE operations successes. Trumps chief spokesperson waved around pieces of paper showing federal expenditures that the White House believes are at odds with the presidents agenda.
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Link to tweet
The problem with that, of course, is that there's a qualitative difference between stuff that Trump doesnt like and actual waste. Indeed, pressed further on whether the spending items on her list constituted fraud or items contrary to the presidents policies, Leavitt replied, I would argue that all of these things are fraudulent.
But the phrase I would argue that ... was doing a lot of work in that sentence. Fraudulent government spending is a serious issue. For the White House to give it a new definition for the sake of political convenience is to fundamentally deceive the public.
That said, if Trump and his team are serious about rooting out fraud and abuse, theres nothing wrong with such a goal in the abstract. In fact, the president could start by rehiring the inspectors general that he fired without cause, while restoring the anti-corruption measures that his administration has kneecapped in recent weeks.
If thats too much to ask, the Republican and his operation could also try coming up with a real list of fraudulent spending that Musks not-quite-real department has uncovered, but I wouldnt hold my breath waiting for one.
LetMyPeopleVote
(182,047 posts)Musk has not found any fraud
Link to tweet
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-doge-fraud/
In an analysis by the WaPo's Aaron Blake, he made a distinction between accusations of criminal fraud of which there is little evidence and waste which has long been an obsession on both sides of the aisle.
More importantly, he noted that Trump and his allies are conflating fraud with programs the president "simply doesnt like or agree with."
As he wrote, Musk made a big deal about discovering that a mine is being used to store government paperwork as a example of the yeoman work his DOGE people have been doing only for Blake to note "that mine was actually exposed 11 years ago by The Washington Post, in a story called, 'Sinkhole of bureaucracy.'"
As he wrote, "This has been the story of Trumps broader efforts to overhaul the government: big, hyperbolic claims without much to back them up. Even if you expand the money supposedly being rooted out to include fraud and alleged waste, The Washington Posts Fact Checker, Glenn Kessler, notes that DOGE has publicly identified 'only about $2 billion in annual savings from specific line items' a tiny drop in the bucket."
Norrrm
(5,591 posts)underpants
(197,179 posts)None of this makes any sense. Hes doing his KING thing.
There is absolutely no economic analysis here. None. One thing just doesnt counteract another but actually exacerbate them.
LetMyPeopleVote
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