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MineralMan

(151,100 posts)
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 04:06 PM Feb 2025

Is the Right-Wing's End Game A Sinister Depopulation Plot?

Today, I'm reading that Louisiana is not going to support mass vaccinations any longer. Now, that seemed rather stupid to me, so I thought about it. Who would that affect most. Not the wealthy. Not the middle class. Both of those can afford to haul their little kiddies to the doctors office and get them vaccinated against diseases that have been almost eradicated through vaccination programs. So, their precious offspring would be OK. It would just be the po'folks' children getting sick and maybe dying. That would the the logical impact from that proposal, wouldn't it?

How about health insurance? It's expensive, no matter how it is delivered. With Medicaid and Medicare, the poor and the elderly get insured and can get care. Without those benefits, however, care would be spotty and hard to find. But, I'm hearing the Right talking about big cuts in those programs. Once again, the wealthy and the better-off middle class folks would be able to afford insurance and would usually recover from most common illnesses. Again, though, the old and the poor folks would be hard pressed to get the care they need. Without insurance and support for costly medications, their death rate would go up, wouldn't it?

Poor folks have gotten the idea, somehow, that they can move their way into the more affluent classes in the good old USA. I mean, we send them to school for 12 years and loan them money to get a higher education, so they can compete with the real Americans who have privilege built into their lives. Everyone here can dream of being like their betters. You can own a home, drive a decent car, dress your children like all the other children. The society will help you along the way. Well, the Right isn't so sure that's such a good idea. What if they crippled the education system to prevent the youngsters born to less desirable people from learning? Wouldn't they be willing to work for less money so they could eat? Maybe so. I mean, even Jesus said, "The poor you shall have with you always." There it is, I suppose.

Then there are all of those immigrants flocking to America. They want to come here and get a part of our way of life. They want it so much that they'll do the dirty, hard jobs for less pay than other folks will. Isn't that keeping real Americans from talking all of those low-paying, back-breaking jobs. If we didn't have all of those foreign-language-speaking strangers to take those jobs, that would help the poor Americans find work so they could eat and keep making babies to replace themselves, right. Maybe we should stop making it easy for migrants to come here, the Right thinks. Maybe we can just shut everything down and keep things as they once were.

That's what I think I'm seeing right now. Looks to me like the hard right wants fewer people in this country, overall, and more of those people to be doing what they're told to do. Maybe they should not expect so much and be glad of whatever those who are among the "chosen" are willing to give them for their labors.

Yeah. I think maybe the Right Wingers are looking for a lower population here, and a poorer population.

Sure looks like that to me.

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Is the Right-Wing's End Game A Sinister Depopulation Plot? (Original Post) MineralMan Feb 2025 OP
No. They simply don't care who dies because they have Empathy Deficit Disorder, severely, chronicly. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2025 #1
Maybe. Or maybe it's a deliberate thing. MineralMan Feb 2025 #2
No. If they could spend *more* money to kill people they wouldn't Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2025 #6
I keep saying it is The Madcap Feb 2025 #28
Excellent term you have there, "passive genocide" but care is needed Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2025 #30
The reason I see it as "passive" The Madcap Feb 2025 #38
Yes, well stated, I agree with your post. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2025 #40
The end result of their brainwashing and deprogramming by Fox, social media, AM radio. Initech Feb 2025 #19
Yes. Lebensraum. bucolic_frolic Feb 2025 #3
Yes. H2O Man Feb 2025 #4
Could be. I don't know for sure. MineralMan Feb 2025 #5
The new feudalism. Ocelot II Feb 2025 #7
I absolutely believe so, yes. LiberalLoner Feb 2025 #8
I laid out my similar theory last week :) AZJonnie Feb 2025 #9
Yarvinism. GoodRaisin Feb 2025 #10
Scratch the surface with these guys Strelnikov_ Feb 2025 #22
De-population of certain classes of citizens pfitz59 Feb 2025 #11
Indeed C_U_L8R Feb 2025 #12
If you're Joe Sixpack advocating for it right now, you're an idiot, as you say (and also evil) AZJonnie Feb 2025 #41
No it's the beginning of the greatest heist in history. surfered Feb 2025 #13
This is the viewpoint of the tech-bro fascists. Voltaire2 Feb 2025 #14
Agree, entirely, as I shared similar thoughts in a post last week AZJonnie Feb 2025 #42
Don't think so canetoad Feb 2025 #15
If they are actually thinking that way, PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2025 #16
It's good old hee-haw Economic Calvinism... keep_left Feb 2025 #17
They will be... 2naSalit Feb 2025 #18
Some in their evil cult are trying to hasten end times...delusional creatures. cayugafalls Feb 2025 #33
Everything's a two-fer with this mob Lars39 Feb 2025 #20
It has been feeling to me like some sort of Malthusian sick plan for some time EverHopeful Feb 2025 #21
Yes! It's the Nazi way. IrishAfricanAmerican Feb 2025 #23
Right out of the Hunger Games books Owens Feb 2025 #24
Mineral Man DENVERPOPS Feb 2025 #25
Elimination of surplus humans Wicked Blue Feb 2025 #26
Isn't that bad for the economy? milestogo Feb 2025 #27
Didn't that start happening three weeks ago? There are now fewer workers so they'll buy less and allegorical oracle Feb 2025 #35
Creating unemployment. milestogo Feb 2025 #37
As long as there is generally a bounty of cheap energy resources to be extracted from the planet, and infrastructure AZJonnie Feb 2025 #44
Well, kinda like i mention in a different thread, that could go along with YOUR thinking. bluestarone Feb 2025 #29
If the projection/every-accusation-is-a-confession trend holds, then yes. RockRaven Feb 2025 #31
What I see is a plan for a permanent Underclass of ill-educated unhealthy people ... Hekate Feb 2025 #32
Agree Sparkly Feb 2025 #39
Only if the plan is to kill their anti-science base. Phoenix61 Feb 2025 #34
YES. It's the parasitic oligarchic class's endgame. It's one of their goals that enables their other goals. ancianita Feb 2025 #36
Funny thing. They say that about the left. 4th Feb 2025 #43
The Republican Health Care Plan Is Evolving NickB79 Feb 2025 #45

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
1. No. They simply don't care who dies because they have Empathy Deficit Disorder, severely, chronicly. . . . nt
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 04:08 PM
Feb 2025

MineralMan

(151,100 posts)
2. Maybe. Or maybe it's a deliberate thing.
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 04:09 PM
Feb 2025

I'm not sure. I'm beginning to think it's the latter.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
6. No. If they could spend *more* money to kill people they wouldn't
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 04:12 PM
Feb 2025

But they don't care who dies "death by a thousand cuts".

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
30. Excellent term you have there, "passive genocide" but care is needed
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 07:08 PM
Feb 2025

Last edited Fri Feb 14, 2025, 07:53 PM - Edit history (1)


Undoubtedly most often inflammatory, but doubtless applicable in some ways at times. It will take some thought before I know how best to apply it. Not from lack of potential recipients, but from how much it might inflame people on one side or the other or both and divert a thread.

As to this instance, I think it might be applicable, in the form of Republiconism taken to a simplistic, careless, heedless extreme. It is personified by the Musk-tRump copresidency with Shady Vance glowering behind them and Miller, Thiel and the other guy off camera. It certainly is organized, it is death by a thousand cuts including economic ripple effects, and people will die. However, not clear if the target groups are well defined enough in a coherent way or deaths to be sufficiently numerous to be called "genocide". The larger the group that is defined, the looser the definition, then the more deaths before it becomes a thing in the zeitgeist.

Their leader is so narcissistic as to be unphased by mass deaths, which 2020 and Covid proved. For the group named, it seems like the shoe fits too.

We all thought Covid would be the hot stove that the stupid tRump 1.0 regime would touch and Republicons would be so shocked they would draw back and divorce themselves from tRump. It sort of was for a few months in 2021, but they quickly reverted to form and willingly walked into tRump's iron grasp.

I call it tRumPain. The orange in chief is oblivious to it, doesn't believe any reports of it, and feels faultless. Perfect recipe for passive genocide. I hope the recipe fails to cook in all ways possible.

The Madcap

(1,872 posts)
38. The reason I see it as "passive"
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:41 AM
Feb 2025

Is that it is policy, not bullets, that would kill so many. That way, when the question of blame for many deaths comes along, they will blame the victims for their own weakness.

Admittedly, we are not at a genocide level yet, but the potential is there.

bucolic_frolic

(54,813 posts)
3. Yes. Lebensraum.
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 04:10 PM
Feb 2025

My super-Democratic college prof always told us "Republicans wish to restrict the benefits of society to those able to pay for it."

He was a leading light in ADA in the 60s. That definition never failed me.

H2O Man

(78,940 posts)
4. Yes.
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 04:11 PM
Feb 2025

I don't think it is accurate that it is the plan of all right-wingers. But I think it is the plan of the opulently wealthy right-wingers.

Recommended.

Strelnikov_

(8,146 posts)
22. Scratch the surface with these guys
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 05:09 PM
Feb 2025

always seem to find a nazi.

Under his Moldbug pseudonym, Yarvin gave a talk about "rebooting" the American government at the 2012 BIL Conference. He used it to advocate the acronym "RAGE", which he defined as "Retire All Government Employees". He described what he felt were flaws in the accepted "World War II mythology", alluding to the idea that Hitler's invasions were acts of self-defense. He argued these discrepancies were pushed by America's "ruling communists", who invented political correctness as an "extremely elaborate mechanism for persecuting racists and fascists".

pfitz59

(12,615 posts)
11. De-population of certain classes of citizens
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 04:18 PM
Feb 2025

Sure, the unemployable lay-abouts. The GOP still needs serfs. Able-bodied men tend to be stronger and more durable into their 50s. After that, FOAD.

C_U_L8R

(49,295 posts)
12. Indeed
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 04:20 PM
Feb 2025

Rightwingers and true libtards (libertarians) have been circlejerking about herd culling for a while. They think it means 'more for them'. Fucking idiots.

AZJonnie

(3,587 posts)
41. If you're Joe Sixpack advocating for it right now, you're an idiot, as you say (and also evil)
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 04:45 PM
Feb 2025

However, if basic physical resources needed for individual survival become constrained beyond a certain point, herd culling becomes coldly logical. As global, extractable fossil fuel resources peak and inevitably contract, if society has not collectively made the much wiser and more ethical choice to stop having more children well in advance of that point, something, or someone, is going to cull the herd. And it won't be idiotic then, it will simply be an inevitable consequence

surfered

(13,023 posts)
13. No it's the beginning of the greatest heist in history.
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 04:24 PM
Feb 2025

Fire the Inspectors Generals, install a compliant Attorney General, force out the principled lawyers in the Justice Department while lowering the focus of prosecutions of white collar corruption, ignore the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, and turn loose adolescent hackers on the Government’s payment system.

Let the looting commence.

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
14. This is the viewpoint of the tech-bro fascists.
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 04:30 PM
Feb 2025

They are not swallowed up in climate catastrophe denial delusions like the other gum balls.

They understand that the maga dictatorship is going to accelerate climate catastrophe. The initial consequences will be on the order of 2-4 billion people displaced, primarily from the global south, over a fairly short period of time, a decade perhaps, and they intend to genocide those people.

In addition, their intention is to replace as many workers as possible with their ai tech. The destabilization from that will require further population reductions in the global north. Anyone who is not a white christian, or the equivalent in China and India, will be a ‘useless feeder’ in nazi terminology, and a candidate for disposal.

This situation is utterly fucked.

canetoad

(20,666 posts)
15. Don't think so
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 04:30 PM
Feb 2025

I think it's an effort to force the poor, the disabled, the disadvantaged ...and so on, to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Or die.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
16. If they are actually thinking that way,
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 04:39 PM
Feb 2025

depopulation is a good thing, they clearly know absolutely nothing about demographics, or who does what jobs everywhere. They're in for a big shock when all of a sudden grocery shelves are empty.

keep_left

(3,207 posts)
17. It's good old hee-haw Economic Calvinism...
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 04:50 PM
Feb 2025

...one of America's original sins.

...[it] has always been a pernicious feature of American culture. You know: the rich are blessed, the poor are cursed, and so both deserve their station in life.

https://democraticunderground.com/100219957021#post5
https://democraticunderground.com/100219957391#post3

2naSalit

(102,103 posts)
18. They will be...
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 04:52 PM
Feb 2025

Trying to create their rapture no matter what. Even if they have to kill everyone else themselves.

EverHopeful

(682 posts)
21. It has been feeling to me like some sort of Malthusian sick plan for some time
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 05:00 PM
Feb 2025

and now it seems to be escalating. Plus a new feudalism. Plus too many astoundingly stupid people who think the robber barons will take care of them.

Guess that whole rugged individualist myth couldn't stand up to the need for some strong man to fix it all.

Serf-in USA.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
25. Mineral Man
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 07:00 PM
Feb 2025

great, well thought out and presented commentary.......Thank you for taking the time to write.....

Wicked Blue

(8,828 posts)
26. Elimination of surplus humans
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 07:00 PM
Feb 2025

Give us your tired, your poor, your weak -- and we'll get rid of them

allegorical oracle

(6,402 posts)
35. Didn't that start happening three weeks ago? There are now fewer workers so they'll buy less and
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 07:29 PM
Feb 2025

won't pay taxes. It's called the civil non-service, now.

AZJonnie

(3,587 posts)
44. As long as there is generally a bounty of cheap energy resources to be extracted from the planet, and infrastructure
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 05:16 PM
Feb 2025

for their (reasonably) efficient distribution? Then yes, yes it is bad for the economy. But it's also inevitable that one or more of those key components will fail, probably in not THAT long, and probably very catastrophically. This will mean the 'perpetual growth' model upon which the entirety of the 'global economy' is predicated will begin to fail. In its stead, an economy with very different tenets and terms is likely to arise soon after. And it's going to be one that's much more intrinsically violent and competitive

bluestarone

(22,026 posts)
29. Well, kinda like i mention in a different thread, that could go along with YOUR thinking.
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 07:07 PM
Feb 2025

These monsters could allow Insurance Companies to NOT pay for vaccinations, period. Lots of people gonna get sick and die.

RockRaven

(19,149 posts)
31. If the projection/every-accusation-is-a-confession trend holds, then yes.
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 07:09 PM
Feb 2025

Because RWNJs/QAnons/MAGAts frequently yammer about "the globalists" having a "depopulation agenda" in regards to one thing or another (vaccines, fluoridated water, trans rights, etc).

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
32. What I see is a plan for a permanent Underclass of ill-educated unhealthy people ...
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 07:10 PM
Feb 2025

…looking for someone to blame for their troubles and being directed by their invisible overlords to blame The Other.

Not to worry — poor and unhealthy people will always reproduce in sufficient numbers, especially if contraception is redefined as abortion and outlawed.

Phoenix61

(18,811 posts)
34. Only if the plan is to kill their anti-science base.
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 07:17 PM
Feb 2025

Everyone else will be fully vaccinated.

ancianita

(43,257 posts)
36. YES. It's the parasitic oligarchic class's endgame. It's one of their goals that enables their other goals.
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 07:34 PM
Feb 2025

Don't think "maybe." You are exactly right.

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